Obama: 'I'm Going To Do What I Can Through Executive Action' On Immigration

[airdvr 210]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/09/barack-obama-immigration-_n_6128918.html?

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"I'm going to do what I can do through executive action," Obama said on CBS' "Face the Nation." "It's not going to be everything that needs to get done. And it will take time to put that in place."

I'm gonna kick some ass...er...next year, maybe the year after. More grandstanding...blah blah blah. This type of thing will be his legacy.

Please don't dent the planet.

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[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

airdvr

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/11/09/barack-obama-immigration-_n_6128918.html?

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"I'm going to do what I can do through executive action," Obama said on CBS' "Face the Nation." "It's not going to be everything that needs to get done. And it will take time to put that in place."

I'm gonna kick some ass...er...next year, maybe the year after. More grandstanding...blah blah blah. This type of thing will be his legacy.

You seem to be ignoring the part where he invites congress to take some real action on the matter.

Which they pretty much refuse to do.

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

[kelpdiver 2]

RobertMBlevins

5) What The Hell Do We Do After All THAT? Easy. Issue a National ID to all legal citizens. Pass laws preventing the obtaining of a job, getting a drivers' license, renting or buying residence or property, buying or registering a car, opening a bank account, obtaining medical care or schooling, etc...unless you can present a legit National ID showing you are here legally. The flood of illegal immigrants would drop to a trickle almost

We have such an ID check for all new employment. I've had to show my passport a couple dozen times now. But you have employers who don't comply, and some amount of fake documents.

Few of those 100 nations you speak off offer the dramatic difference in wages from their neighbors. Most of SE Asia is developing, poor. Most of EU is developed, affluent.

[airdvr 210]

I agree with everything you say, but not until we have secured the southern border. If you offer amnesty to those already here you'll incite another wave that you have no control over.

Seriously?...round up and deport. Like we know who and where they are. We can try that after we've secured the southern border.

That's right...another "there ought to be a law" liberal. We already have laws penalizing those who would hire illegals. How about we just enforce the laws we already have because sure as shit writing new ones isn't going to be effective. If it makes you happy write all the new laws you want...right after we secure the southern border.

Please don't dent the planet.

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[tkhayes 348]

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Seriously?...round up and deport.

while that seems like an easy thing to do - it is not and is the most obvious simple answer to most people, however is a gross underestimation of a rather complex problem.

unless of course you want to separate children from their parents, probably hundreds of thousands of them, that are all citizens of the USA and would then become wards of the state. good luck with funding that project.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

The issue that has compounded the difficulty is the babies born on US soil (and for Canada on Canadian soil) automatically become citizens. There aren't many countries who do this.

So, you can't deport an underage American citizen, but what do you do with the kid after you have deported the parents?

[Andy9o8 2]

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what do you do with the kid after you have deported the parents?

Put him to work in the fields at sub-sub-sub-minimum wage so we can all have cheap food.



Oh, wait, we already do that.



OK, I'm stumped.

[Andy9o8 2]

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not until we have secured the southern border.

Ha! You fool, you're looking at the wrong border. First, while you're getting distracted by all the brown people, "they" (the pasty-faced ones) will come here for "winter vacations". Then they'll start taking over our DZs. Then they'll go after our daughters. Before long, "Hey, asshole!" will be responded to with a group "Eh?" Hell in a handbasket, I tell you, and it's all cuz you ain't keeping your eye on the ball. I mean, puck. Whatever.

[airdvr 210]

Andy9o8

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not until we have secured the southern border.

Ha! You fool, you're looking at the wrong border. First, while you're getting distracted by all the brown people, "they" (the pasty-faced ones) will come here for "winter vacations". Then they'll start taking over our DZs. Then they'll go after our daughters. Before long, "Hey, asshole!" will be responded to with a group "Eh?" Hell in a handbasket, I tell you, and it's all cuz you ain't keeping your eye on the ball. I mean, puck. Whatever.

You mean when we're all sitting on our chesterfields and drinking red-eyes? That's what it's all aboot.

Please don't dent the planet.

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[rehmwa 2]

Andy9o8

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not until we have secured the southern border.

Ha! You fool, you're looking at the wrong border. First, while you're getting distracted by all the brown people, "they" (the pasty-faced ones) will come here for "winter vacations". Then they'll start taking over our DZs. Then they'll go after our daughters. Before long, "Hey, asshole!" will be responded to with a group "Eh?" Hell in a handbasket, I tell you, and it's all cuz you ain't keeping your eye on the ball. I mean, puck. Whatever.

not too worried. if the 'pasties' get too far south, like, southern Wisconsin, or say, Illinois. They'll just die off from heat exhaustion, dehydration, skin cancer, or malnutrition from drinking really weak beer,,,....... It's kind of self regulating.



I know,, I know...I just have a problem with clear people

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[regulator 0]

You deport the whole family and blame it on a paperwork issue.

[winsor 236]

regulator

You deport the whole family and blame it on a paperwork issue.

You give them all free housing while the case is under review.

In Kiska.

Typical wait time for the case is usually less than 15 months.

[Bolas 5]

SkyDekker

The issue that has compounded the difficulty is the babies born on US soil (and for Canada on Canadian soil) automatically become citizens. There aren't many countries who do this.

So, you can't deport an underage American citizen, but what do you do with the kid after you have deported the parents?

That's one thing that needs to change first. If you're here illegally and have a child, they're illegal too.

Could even revoke citizenship if parents are still illegal.

That way not splitting up families.

Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

[wmw999 2,452]

It's in the constitution. Gonna be tough to change

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[Bolas 5]

Supreme Court could reinterpret it again.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Wong_Kim_Ark

Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

regulator

You deport the whole family and blame it on a paperwork issue.

Wow...so those kids are not American to you?

That right is granted in the constitution.

[kallend 2,027]

Bolas

Supreme Court could reinterpret it again.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Wong_Kim_Ark

They *could* but they haven't, and no case is pending that would lead to a reinterpretation.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[rehmwa 2]

SkyDekker

***You deport the whole family and blame it on a paperwork issue.

Wow...so those kids are not American to you?

That right is granted in the constitution.

you're such a strict constructionalist - such a conservative

I'd've thought you'd side more with the constitution is a 'living breathing document' crowd.

you never know when a true fanatical right winger will come out of the closet....

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[SkyDekker 1,465]

rehmwa

******You deport the whole family and blame it on a paperwork issue.

Wow...so those kids are not American to you?

That right is granted in the constitution.

you're such a strict constructionalist - such a conservative

I'd've thought you'd side more with the constitution is a 'living breathing document' crowd.

you never know when a true fanatical right winger will come out of the closet....



DOH!! Busted...

Actually I am shocked by people suggesting americans should just get deported.

[Andy9o8 2]

SkyDekker

*********You deport the whole family and blame it on a paperwork issue.

Wow...so those kids are not American to you?

That right is granted in the constitution.

you're such a strict constructionalist - such a conservative

I'd've thought you'd side more with the constitution is a 'living breathing document' crowd.

you never know when a true fanatical right winger will come out of the closet....



DOH!! Busted...

Actually I am shocked by people suggesting americans should just get deported.

Why? Knuckle-dragging, Neanderthal xenophobia against migrants and their pestilent spawn has been part of the human experience, pretty much world-wide, since like forever.

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

Iago

***The issue that has compounded the difficulty is the babies born on US soil (and for Canada on Canadian soil) automatically become citizens. There aren't many countries who do this.

So, you can't deport an underage American citizen, but what do you do with the kid after you have deported the parents?

I see two options:

(1) You deport the entire family.

(2) the child stays with a guardian in the USA, the rest are deported.

In either option, the child will probably have a dual citizen status and be free to travel back and forth. The child can come back on their own when they reach the age of majority. Or, the child can travel back and forth as an unaccompanied minor to visit relatives.

i.e., the child (a US citizen) stays with Uncle Juan and Aunt Rosa and attends school in SOCAL. The child travels back during Holiday and Summer to visit the rest of the family.

Mom and Dad can still pursue Visa status from their country of origin.

Note: I'm not disagreeing with you, just expanding on the point some.

Well, as I understand it, you can't technically deport a citizen.

But, as the legal guardians, the parents would be free to take their children along with if the parents were deported.
The kid would retain citizenship and would be free to return to the US at any time (as any citizen would).

I keep hearing the hue and cry about "splitting up families" and "taking parents away from their children", but I hear very little about this as an option.

There was a case a few years back in Chicago where the mom sought "sanctuary" in a church. INS didn't go in after her for PR reasons (even though there's no legal "sanctuary"), but there was a huge outcry that she would be sent back and be forcibly separated from her young son.

Kids usually accompany their parents when a move is made. Many kids aren't really happy about it. Sometimes the parents aren't either. I'm not sure I see a whole lot of difference between moving because of a job requirement or moving because the parents are being deported.
Yes, one has more choice in it for the parents. One is being forced by the government.

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

[Bolas 5]

kallend

***Supreme Court could reinterpret it again.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Wong_Kim_Ark

They *could* but they haven't, and no case is pending that would lead to a reinterpretation.

Depending on what the President tries, Congress may initiate a bill to test it.

Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

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Andy9o8

Why? Knuckle-dragging, Neanderthal xenophobia against migrants and their pestilent spawn has been part of the human experience, pretty much world-wide, since like forever.

Any of the problems faced by the New World can be traced to Native Americans failing to enforce immigration quotas.

Societies that relied on statutory isolation (e.g., the Toronaga Shogunate) often maintained stability, while those who relied on a diverse population (e.g., the Roman Empire) paid the price.

I have been to all too many places that were jewels with an homogeneous society, but became shitholes when diverse.

YMMV.


BSBD,

Winsor

[DanG 1]

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I'm still waiting for someone to explain to me what is actually broken with the system and what needs to be fixed. I keep hearing the rhetoric 'our immigration system is broken.' OK, fine. Someone explain to me what is broke, because I really don't know.

Legal immigration is practically impossible unless you have a PhD or are a millionaire.

- Dan G

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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I see two options:

(1) You deport the entire family.

(2) the child stays with a guardian in the USA, the rest are deported.

Or a child sues to be emancipated from their parents.
Or a child is left behind.
There is no legal guardian in the US.
There are just a few more options than two.

I am amazed by the amount of people who claim to love the constitution, love to talk about their freedoms are openly suggesting you roundup Americans and forcibly move them to another country.