Obama: 'I'm Going To Do What I Can Through Executive Action' On Immigration

[kallend 2,027]

Timeline.

2001: GWB calls on Congress to enact immigration reform. Congress does nothing.

2004: GWB calls on Congress to enact immigration reform. Congress does nothing.

2008: GWB calls on Congress to enact immigration reform. Congress does nothing.

2009: BHO calls on Congress to enact immigration reform. Congress does nothing.

2010: BHO calls on Congress to enact immigration reform. Congress does nothing.

2012: BHO calls on Congress to enact immigration reform. Congress does nothing.

2014: BHO tells Congress to enact immigration reform or he will take executive action. Congress does nothing.

2014: BHO says he will take executive action. Congress: "Dictatorship, shredding the Constitution, THE SKY IS FALLING, impeach BHO."

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kallend

Timeline.

2001: GWB calls on Congress to enact immigration reform. Congress does nothing.

2004: GWB calls on Congress to enact immigration reform. Congress does nothing.

2008: GWB calls on Congress to enact immigration reform. Congress does nothing.

2009: BHO calls on Congress to enact immigration reform. Congress does nothing.

2010: BHO calls on Congress to enact immigration reform. Congress does nothing.

2012: BHO calls on Congress to enact immigration reform. Congress does nothing.

2014: BHO tells Congress to enact immigration reform or he will take executive action. Congress does nothing.

2014: BHO says he will take executive action. Congress: "Dictatorship, shredding the Constitution, THE SKY IS FALLING, impeach BHO."

Gee...maybe the american people don't want immigration reform and your community organizer is the only one arrogant enough to do it anyway.

Please don't dent the planet.

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[kallend 2,027]

airdvr

***Timeline.

2001: GWB calls on Congress to enact immigration reform. Congress does nothing.

2004: GWB calls on Congress to enact immigration reform. Congress does nothing.

2008: GWB calls on Congress to enact immigration reform. Congress does nothing.

2009: BHO calls on Congress to enact immigration reform. Congress does nothing.

2010: BHO calls on Congress to enact immigration reform. Congress does nothing.

2012: BHO calls on Congress to enact immigration reform. Congress does nothing.

2014: BHO tells Congress to enact immigration reform or he will take executive action. Congress does nothing.

2014: BHO says he will take executive action. Congress: "Dictatorship, shredding the Constitution, THE SKY IS FALLING, impeach BHO."

Gee...maybe the american people don't want immigration reform and your community organizer is the only one arrogant enough to do it anyway.

WRONG - Reagan and both Bushes issued executive orders pertaining to immigration.

And I missed a couple:

2007: GWB calls on Congress to enact immigration reform. Congress does nothing.

August 10, 2007 the Bush administration announced a series of immigration enforcement initiatives despite Congress's inaction. Conservatives didn't claim "Dictator, Treason, The Sky is Falling".

2014 JEB Bush calls for immigration reform. Congress does nothing.

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[airdvr 210]

kallend

******Timeline.

2001: GWB calls on Congress to enact immigration reform. Congress does nothing.

2004: GWB calls on Congress to enact immigration reform. Congress does nothing.

2008: GWB calls on Congress to enact immigration reform. Congress does nothing.

2009: BHO calls on Congress to enact immigration reform. Congress does nothing.

2010: BHO calls on Congress to enact immigration reform. Congress does nothing.

2012: BHO calls on Congress to enact immigration reform. Congress does nothing.

2014: BHO tells Congress to enact immigration reform or he will take executive action. Congress does nothing.

2014: BHO says he will take executive action. Congress: "Dictatorship, shredding the Constitution, THE SKY IS FALLING, impeach BHO."

Gee...maybe the american people don't want immigration reform and your community organizer is the only one arrogant enough to do it anyway.

WRONG - Reagan and both Bushes issued executive orders pertaining to immigration.

And I missed a couple:

2007: GWB calls on Congress to enact immigration reform. Congress does nothing.

August 10, 2007 the Bush administration announced a series of immigration enforcement initiatives despite Congress's inaction. Conservatives didn't claim "Dictator, Treason, The Sky is Falling".

2014 JEB Bush calls for immigration reform. Congress does nothing.

Here's where I get confused...you're saying W was doing a good thing?

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

[kallend 2,027]

airdvr

*********Timeline.

2001: GWB calls on Congress to enact immigration reform. Congress does nothing.

2004: GWB calls on Congress to enact immigration reform. Congress does nothing.

2008: GWB calls on Congress to enact immigration reform. Congress does nothing.

2009: BHO calls on Congress to enact immigration reform. Congress does nothing.

2010: BHO calls on Congress to enact immigration reform. Congress does nothing.

2012: BHO calls on Congress to enact immigration reform. Congress does nothing.

2014: BHO tells Congress to enact immigration reform or he will take executive action. Congress does nothing.

2014: BHO says he will take executive action. Congress: "Dictatorship, shredding the Constitution, THE SKY IS FALLING, impeach BHO."

Gee...maybe the american people don't want immigration reform and your community organizer is the only one arrogant enough to do it anyway.

WRONG - Reagan and both Bushes issued executive orders pertaining to immigration.

And I missed a couple:

2007: GWB calls on Congress to enact immigration reform. Congress does nothing.

August 10, 2007 the Bush administration announced a series of immigration enforcement initiatives despite Congress's inaction. Conservatives didn't claim "Dictator, Treason, The Sky is Falling".

2014 JEB Bush calls for immigration reform. Congress does nothing.

Here's where I get confused...you're saying W was doing a good thing?

Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

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kallend

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GWB refused to enforce over 250 laws and regulations he didn't like. Set a nice precedent, eh? And the right wingers didn't utter a peep.

www.nytimes.com/2006/04/30/world/americas/30iht-web.0430bush.html?pagewanted=all

So...Obama is the same as Bush. Got it.

You've been on this forum since 2003. How many times did you express outrage over anything Bush did? Yet when Obama does the same it's dictatorship, shredding the constitution, the end of the USA as we know it...

HYPOCRISY from the right knows no bounds.

You speak your own truth.

Hypocrisy, is yours.

Irony score 100%

You've been on this forum since 2002. How many times from 2002 to 2009 did you express outrage over anything Bush did? Yet when Obama does the same it's dictatorship, shredding the constitution, the end of the USA as we know it...

Several times actually.

And I never said anything about the end of the USA as we know it.

As for shredding the constitution, he has done a fair amount of it.

And dictatorship? Please.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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kallend

************Timeline.

2001: GWB calls on Congress to enact immigration reform. Congress does nothing.

2004: GWB calls on Congress to enact immigration reform. Congress does nothing.

2008: GWB calls on Congress to enact immigration reform. Congress does nothing.

2009: BHO calls on Congress to enact immigration reform. Congress does nothing.

2010: BHO calls on Congress to enact immigration reform. Congress does nothing.

2012: BHO calls on Congress to enact immigration reform. Congress does nothing.

2014: BHO tells Congress to enact immigration reform or he will take executive action. Congress does nothing.

2014: BHO says he will take executive action. Congress: "Dictatorship, shredding the Constitution, THE SKY IS FALLING, impeach BHO."

Gee...maybe the american people don't want immigration reform and your community organizer is the only one arrogant enough to do it anyway.

WRONG - Reagan and both Bushes issued executive orders pertaining to immigration.

And I missed a couple:

2007: GWB calls on Congress to enact immigration reform. Congress does nothing.

August 10, 2007 the Bush administration announced a series of immigration enforcement initiatives despite Congress's inaction. Conservatives didn't claim "Dictator, Treason, The Sky is Falling".

2014 JEB Bush calls for immigration reform. Congress does nothing.

Here's where I get confused...you're saying W was doing a good thing?

Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.

Didn't Obama say he didn't have the power to change immigration?

Why all of a sudden?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[Anvilbrother 0]

If he tries to fly this under the radar during the furgeson grand jury announcement im gonna be pissed!

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[kallend 2,027]

Anvilbrother

If he tries to fly this under the radar during the furgeson grand jury announcement im gonna be pissed!

Don't recall your complaints when Bush did it.

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[kallend 2,027]

turtlespeed

As for shredding the constitution, he has done a fair amount of it.

And dictatorship? Please.

Been asleep?

Zzzzz

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[kallend 2,027]

turtlespeed

***************
GWB refused to enforce over 250 laws and regulations he didn't like. Set a nice precedent, eh? And the right wingers didn't utter a peep.

www.nytimes.com/2006/04/30/world/americas/30iht-web.0430bush.html?pagewanted=all

So...Obama is the same as Bush. Got it.

You've been on this forum since 2003. How many times did you express outrage over anything Bush did? Yet when Obama does the same it's dictatorship, shredding the constitution, the end of the USA as we know it...

HYPOCRISY from the right knows no bounds.

You speak your own truth.

Hypocrisy, is yours.

Irony score 100%

You've been on this forum since 2002. How many times from 2002 to 2009 did you express outrage over anything Bush did? Yet when Obama does the same it's dictatorship, shredding the constitution, the end of the USA as we know it...

Several times actually.



Bush issued orders on immigration in 2007 (while you have been active on DZ.COM).

First peep of criticism from you is AFTER Obama is president.

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[airdvr 210]

Obama Called Exec Immigration Action Illegal… 25 Times!

http://insider.foxnews.com/2014/11/19/caught-camera-obama-called-exec-immigration-action-illegal-25-times

Even he knows when he's crossing the line.

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

[turtlespeed 221]

airdvr

Obama Called Exec Immigration Action Illegal… 25 Times!

http://insider.foxnews.com/2014/11/19/caught-camera-obama-called-exec-immigration-action-illegal-25-times

Even he knows when he's crossing the line.

I don't disagree with what he's putting out there, I wholly disagree with the methods. We have rules of government for a reason. Emperor Obama seems to want to be above it.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[wmw999 2,452]

One thing about being a second-term president is that you have no political future to talk about -- you've already achieved it. So maybe a personal sacrifice to get something moving is at least one approach.

I'm not particularly in favor of all the executive action, but dang -- congress has done damn all about most everything. In the same spirit that I voted for Ross Perot in 1992 (he'd've pissed off everyone ), I kind of like congress being goosed into doing something. But I much, much, would have preferred to see the Senate bill be worked and bastardized (which is what compromise always is ), than what's happened.

He threw a bomb. The republicans threw a bomb with the shutdown last year. Seems like a silly way to govern, from both sides, doesn't it?

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[kallend 2,027]

turtlespeed

***Obama Called Exec Immigration Action Illegal… 25 Times!

http://insider.foxnews.com/2014/11/19/caught-camera-obama-called-exec-immigration-action-illegal-25-times

Even he knows when he's crossing the line.

I don't disagree with what he's putting out there, I wholly disagree with the methods. We have rules of government for a reason. Emperor Obama seems to want to be above it.

Yet you weren't ever complaining about Emperor Bush and his 291 executive orders.

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[kallend 2,027]

I rather like Sen. Flake's (R-AZ) ideas:

www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/dana-milbank-how-the-gop-can-poke-back-against-obamas-immigration-order/2014/11/21/681f13e4-717e-11e4-893f-86bd390a3340_story.html

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[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

Wait a minute.

You mean a Republican congresscritter is actually suggesting working with Obama?

And actually compromising to get some of the things that the Rs want?

Actually accomplishing something?
Passing real legislation?
That stands more than a snowball's chance in hell of being signed?

It sounds nice, but I'll believe it when I see it.

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

[rushmc 23]

wolfriverjoe

Wait a minute.

You mean a Republican congresscritter is actually suggesting working with Obama?

And actually compromising to get some of the things that the Rs want?

Actually accomplishing something?
Passing real legislation?
That stands more than a snowball's chance in hell of being signed?

It sounds nice, but I'll believe it when I see it.

Sorry
there is NO common ground

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[wmw999 2,452]

Bullshit. There is lots of common ground. Saying there is none lets someone else, someone who is actually willing to define a position, define yours for you. How stupid is that?

Do you think we liberals don't work, or pay taxes, or breathe, or have families we love and want the best for? Do you think we want our companies to fail, and our country to be destroyed?

Those are talking points by people whose measure is their radio and internet popularity, and nothing else. They spew divisive shit because it gets people fired up, just like asking about the Yankees when in Boston. Designed to piss people off, so they'll stick around to watch the reaction, like some people will go out of their way to look at a car wreck.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[rushmc 23]

wmw999

Bullshit. There is lots of common ground. Saying there is none lets someone else, someone who is actually willing to define a position, define yours for you. How stupid is that?

Do you think we liberals don't work, or pay taxes, or breathe, or have families we love and want the best for? Do you think we want our companies to fail, and our country to be destroyed?

Those are talking points by people whose measure is their radio and internet popularity, and nothing else. They spew divisive shit because it gets people fired up, just like asking about the Yankees when in Boston. Designed to piss people off, so they'll stick around to watch the reaction, like some people will go out of their way to look at a car wreck.

Wendy P.

where was the common ground regarding obama care?

And your post it left wing talking points

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[wmw999 2,452]

The common ground was the desire to fix a system that was the leading cause of bankruptcy in the US (cite), as well as one of the leading causes of runaway costs both for counties/local districts (along with defined benefit pensions), as well as companies. I'm not including things like hurricanes etc, because those aren't consistent.

I don't think there are a lot of people who thought that what we had was just fine. I don't think there are a lot of people who think that ACA is the right answer. But sometimes it's easier to change what's there and wrong, than it is to put something out there. Remember the BB training, and the whole "perfect is the enemy of good enough?" Well, that works for legislation, as well.

I'm not saying we're on the same page. But to say there is nothing in common is bullshit, just as much as saying that there's everything in common, or that common ground will always be good enough to settle on. Is it better to try to actually change things in a way that will get more people cooperating, or to just ram it through when you have the power, and then be pissed off when people don't obey?

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[kallend 2,027]

wmw999

The common ground was the desire to fix a system that was the leading cause of bankruptcy in the US (cite), ...

Wendy P.

Including Mary Brown, the GOP's poster girl and lead plaintiff in the ACA lawsuit, who ended up stiffing her doctors.

Sometimes the grown-ups have to take control, since Congress has been acting like a bunch of spoiled children over this issue since 2001.

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[kallend 2,027]

rushmc

***Wait a minute.

You mean a Republican congresscritter is actually suggesting working with Obama?

And actually compromising to get some of the things that the Rs want?

Actually accomplishing something?
Passing real legislation?
That stands more than a snowball's chance in hell of being signed?

It sounds nice, but I'll believe it when I see it.

Sorry
there is NO common ground

Obama's proposal to Congress was hardly any different than GWBs. The business community is in broad agreement too. Unfortunately the GOP's congressional leadership is scared stiff of the racist vote from the far right.

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[Anvilbrother 0]

I'm sure glad we got aca because the president said my insurance will go down.....ooh wait it's not going down it just went up $200 per month! Thanks assholes(politicians and insurance companies both)!!

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[kallend 2,027]

Oh yes

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