Here is a Christmas message for men only

[RonD1120 62]

You understand and no argument necessary.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[DanG 1]

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You understand and no argument necessary.

Okay, I'm still confused. What is wrong with the wussy men of today? Apparently it isn't that they respect their wives and have an equal loving relationship. That was what you originally implied. What's the problem? How exactly are modern men failing? And please don't refer me to the video, I want to hear your opinion.

- Dan G

[jakee 1,500]

RonD1120

You understand and no argument necessary.

Then where does submission come into it?

You can't argue that the wife should submit to the command of the husband but agree that decisions should come from mutual discussion with equal input and say from both parties. It is one or the other. Which is it?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[headoverheels 333]

RonD1120

What do you do when your wife wants to attend the bridge party and you want to go to the pub?

In that scenario, she would go to the bridge party and I would go to the pub. Neither of those activities very likely in our real lives.

[RonD1120 62]

Video, what video?

I'm talking about men who have given up the bread winner role. I am talking about men who seek a government that will take care of their needs instead of taking personal responsibility.

This wife beating BS is thread drift by those seeking to attack my and Ray Gano's Christian faith.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[RonD1120 62]

Of course, to each his own. Jakee always tries to make up fantasy arguments for the sake of argument. He never has anything to teach.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[regulator 0]

RonD1120

Of course, to each his own. Jakee always tries to make up fantasy arguments for the sake of argument. He never has anything to teach.

He never has anything to teach

I second that statement.

[jakee 1,500]

What fantasy? You and Mr Gano have said that women should submit to their husbands and if their husbands are girly men if they can't make that happen. When asked how they should ensure their women submit if they don't want to you said that mutual decision making is the answer.

Well I'm sorry Ron, but there is nothing fantastical about asking you to choose between two mutually contradictory positions. Do you agree with Gano than wives should submit or don't you?

(And any attempt to worm your way out of the contradiction by blaming me for inventing it will fail since I'm not the only person to point it out - another person being someone who you said 'gets it')

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[RonD1120 62]

Post #29

Chain of command:

God
Jesus
Husband
Wife
Children

Submission does not equal abuse. The wife is "an help meet."

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Family/Marriage/help_meet.htm

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[okalb 104]

RonD1120

I'm talking about men who have given up the bread winner role.

My cousin and her husband had a baby 2 years ago. They both worked full time jobs at the time. After deciding that they didn't want to put the baby into daycare, they set about deciding which of the two would quit their job and which would stay home and take care of the child. They decided that she would keep her job and he would be the stay at home dad. They have just decided to have a second child and they will continue on the current path. He will stay home and raise the children while she goes to work. Are you saying that there is anything wrong with their situation?

Time flies like an arrow....fruit flies like a banana

[jakee 1,500]

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He never has anything to teach

I second that statement.

You're still pissed off about the Mayan 2012 bullshit you were chatting, aren't you?

If you'd only listened then I could have taught you about having a functional bullshit filter, and think how much trouble that could have saved you since!

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[jakee 1,500]

RonD1120

Post #29

Chain of command:

God
Jesus
Husband
Wife
Children

So again the questions, a) what does the manly man do when the wife refuses to accept a lower place on the chain of command?

B) how can the husband and wife have equal say if the man is above the woman in chain of command?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[RonD1120 62]

It is what they believe they have to do. It is a mutual decision. It is sad that is a common practice. You don't see that as much in rural areas.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[okalb 104]

RonD1120

It is what they believe they have to do. It is a mutual decision. It is sad that is a common practice. You don't see that as much in rural areas.

What makes it sad? One of the parents is staying home to make sure the children are brought properly and looked after by a parent. What possible difference does it make which parent that is?

Time flies like an arrow....fruit flies like a banana

[RonD1120 62]

Corrected, thanks.

My point is that in Christian marriages the problem you are stuck on should not come up that often. When it does the couple usually goes to their pastor for counseling. Does it work 100% of the time? NO, why? Because this society is in a decline and needs more responsible men to step up to the plate and quit being wussies.

Men in America need to learn how to love their wives and be responsible for their well being. The liberal movement has damaged every aspect of the family.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[RonD1120 62]

It is sad because it is often required.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

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[jakee 1,500]

RonD1120

Corrected, thanks.

My point is that in Christian marriages the problem you are stuck on should not come up that often. When it does the couple usually goes to their pastor for counseling. Does it work 100% of the time? NO, why? Because this society is in a decline and needs more responsible men to step up to the plate and quit being wussies.

Ok, and what happens when the pastor says 'obey your husband' and the wife says 'no'? You're making it incredibly hard to find out what you're actually advocating. Is this a chain of command or a chain of vague suggestion?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[Stumpy 284]

jakee

***Corrected, thanks.

My point is that in Christian marriages the problem you are stuck on should not come up that often. When it does the couple usually goes to their pastor for counseling. Does it work 100% of the time? NO, why? Because this society is in a decline and needs more responsible men to step up to the plate and quit being wussies.

Ok, and what happens when the pastor says 'obey your husband' and the wife says 'no'? You're making it incredibly hard to find out what you're actually advocating. Is this a chain of command or a chain of vague suggestion?

Ce cheval est mort Jakee - Ron is blind here.
Fortunately his primitive way of thinking is dying out.

Never try to eat more than you can lift

[RonD1120 62]

And yet another zing. C-ya

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[RonD1120 62]

As a side note, it was announced in church last Sunday that in the north GA district of the Church of God, Cleveland TN, 128K people have accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior. That is one area of one denomination in the entire U.S.

I don't think we are dying out.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[Stumpy 284]

RonD1120

As a side note, it was announced in church last Sunday that in the north GA district of the Church of God, Cleveland TN, 128K people have accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior. That is one area of one denomination in the entire U.S.

I don't think we are dying out.

I'm not referring to christianity, I'm referring to misogynist far right old white men.
Christianity I am sure will tick along in the same way as Islam and all the other religions, and that's fine as long as they keep themselves to themselves and don't try and impose their dubious morals on others.

Never try to eat more than you can lift

[christelsabine 1]

RonD1120

As a side note, it was announced in church last Sunday that in the north GA district of the Church of God, Cleveland TN, 128K people have accepted Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior. That is one area of one denomination in the entire U.S.

I don't think we are dying out.

Not on earth, there is too much space for people like you.

Ask yourself if your God will accept and forgive all the lies you posted. Think about promise5, the pic of the ambassador of Benghazi case - posted on Sept. 16 this year - and ask him if he will forgive your racist behaviour. You lie in the name of God.

dudeist skydiver # 3105

[billvon 2,998]

>B) how can the husband and wife have equal say if the man is above the woman in chain of command?

From Ron's posts (see above) it works like this:

They are equal; they make decisions mutually.
The man is in charge, and more men have to 'step up' and take responsibility for their wives.

This isn't inconsistent for him. Keep in mind he both bemoans the entitlement culture that demands their government checks and feels he is entitled to his government checks.

[jakee 1,500]

RonD1120

And yet another zing. C-ya

Is that the sound logic makes when it's flying past your head? Ron, I'm just trying to find out what you think, because right now you're reposting one position then explaining another.

Ok, here is my best, honest attempt at understanding what you're saying - you think that if a man has a good job and protects his home then his wife will automatically want to follow his lead and let him make decisions, and if she doesn't that's ok within the relationship but somehow bad for society as a whole.

If that's what you think then fine, it's not a contradictory position, but you will have to accept that you disagree with the person who's rant you posted at the start of this thread!

Which then raises the question of what else you disagree with him on. For instance, if a friend of yours cheated on his wife would you actually, in real life, gather several of your church buddies, abduct the guy, take him into the woods and give him a beating? If not is it because a) it's against the law, b) it's not a good or productive thing to do or c) you're one of the feminised, wussified modern church goers who Gano thinks is the problem with the USA?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?