champu 1 #101 December 23, 2014 bigbearfng***The primary "bad tactic" seems to be the "run toward the sound of the guns." If it's not a life or death situation, hang back a second and see what the hell is going on. One thing I was taught is that "It's almost never what it looks like at first glance." Only thing I had to disagree with was the "run toward the sound of guns" as bad tactics. Active shooter in school/mall etc.- the longer you hang back the more victims there are. That's just part of the job! Other folk run away...... Running towards the gunfire only works if there has been gunfire. Anvil keeps reposting his list where he's picked out the "obvious" good shootings. I made a post in another thread to a spreadsheet with a couple thousand shootings and a suggested "escalation rating." I think I may go back and do the rating... But right now I'm on vacation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #102 December 23, 2014 Here is a list off the top of my head of stupid shit the media had ratings circus off of. Bullshit that they got America with.(Left, Right, or Center media doesn't matter, still got us) Y2k Killer bees Anthrax Obama beer summit(was that also plumber joe?) Janet Jackson boob West nile End of the world in 2012 Bird flu Boston Bombing Idot in FL threatening to burn Koran Fukashima nuclear accident Ebola With the list I have shown you earlier, and the numbers that strongly suggest its not out of control, you still blindly believe that the end of the world is coming by a cops hand, and not that there is a chance your being fucked around with by the media and others with agendas? Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #103 December 23, 2014 You do not apply, your in the loop of it all, obviously your gonna "know people". And everyone that comes to you is gonna be "innocent" just like everyone in jail is "innocent". What is the ratio of people you "know" that got beat, shot, tazed got off because the cop was at fault and just did it for the fuck of it vs was actually guilty? Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #104 December 23, 2014 talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/fox-wbff-edit-protest-kill-a-cop Fox News editing a clip to change its meaning. I'm shocked. SHOCKED!... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #105 December 23, 2014 kallendtalkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/fox-wbff-edit-protest-kill-a-cop Fox News editing a clip to change its meaning. I'm shocked. SHOCKED! ah the wide brush for a local staition And from someone who did not say a word about a similar act by a national station in the Zimmerman case In any event john It is bs regardless of who does it in my world Compared to the pick and choose, ends justifies the means world you live in"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #106 December 23, 2014 rushmc Compared to the pick and choose, ends justifies the means world you live in Strange comment coming from someone who is right there with Cheney in condoning torture.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #107 December 23, 2014 kallend*** Compared to the pick and choose, ends justifies the means world you live in Strange comment coming from someone who is right there with Cheney in condoning torture. Waterboarding is not torture"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #108 December 23, 2014 rushmc****** Compared to the pick and choose, ends justifies the means world you live in Strange comment coming from someone who is right there with Cheney in condoning torture. Waterboarding is not torture QED.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #109 December 23, 2014 rushmcWaterboarding is not torture"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #110 December 23, 2014 kallend ********* Compared to the pick and choose, ends justifies the means world you live in Strange comment coming from someone who is right there with Cheney in condoning torture. Waterboarding is not torture QED. Still to your post You think a local fox affiliate is bad But a national new outlet does it and oh what the hell I agree with ittwo of the faces of kallend"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #111 December 23, 2014 xsniper***This is not rocket science in any conflict it is the same, No justice, no peace. How many times have the police killed a minority and got away with it? How many times do they get a paid vacation (paid suspension) when they kill someone? How many times have they received much much lower sentences then any of us would if they do get punished at all? Guess what happens people get fed up when there is no justice and you get rage. Who fucked up? who is responsible? The judges and DAs who did not dole out justice. Tragic yes but Helen Keller could see this coming i am surprised it hadn't happened much much sooner. So...are you carrying the idea that this was justified?? Off course not, I don't know those police officers not saying it was justice just saying it is the end result of a lot of injustice.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
regulator 0 #112 December 23, 2014 SkyDekker***Go to the list of shootings like I did and go down the list with a pen and paper LIKE I DID. Next to each shooting write down the nature of the shooting, and if you think the cop acted in response to a lethal action upon him, or a citizen. Or if the cop was an illegal aggressor and shot someone in cold blood. I did that instead of listening to bullshit numbers spouted here, or from click bait media. You will find that out of those 400+- shootings that 80-90% of the time the shooting was in response to -People shooting at the cops -People attempting vehicular homicide on the cops -Hostages -Other situations where if you actually read the report yourself you would agree it was justified. At the end of reading the IIRC 2011 list of shootings there was only about 10 killings that was and I even stated illegal as fuck. Most of them were charged, some already in prison, some awaiting trial. Without more information it is a stupid exercise. Take the 12 year old in Cleveland. The way the police handled the situation it is a justified shooting. Most sane people realize that if the police had handled the situation with tact that 12 year old would likely still be alive. So, in the US that is a justified shooting. In the rest of the modern world that shooting would not have taken place. Kind of like the way when nadal hassan shot up those people at fort hood and then it was 'workplace violence'? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #113 December 23, 2014 BoomerdogQuoteNo justice, no peace. We are entitled to due process per the United States Constitution. Hopefully, we all hope to receive the desired outcome of that due process but that is not always the case and it is not something any of us are entitled to. Yes but when patterns over decades show that justice is very swayed and always in a certain manner that makes it obvious it is not a random event what do people do? They protest write letters call the news or congressman/woman, what will happen when nothing changes? not to mention things have gotten much much worst, our police looks like a military force now. So the mechanism for a peaceful resolution are not working or are very one sided, what does one do?I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,371 #114 December 23, 2014 Hi rush, QuoteWaterboarding is not torture There were some WW II war crimes people who would disagree with you. Jerry Baumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #115 December 23, 2014 JerryBaumchenHi rush, QuoteWaterboarding is not torture There were some WW II war crimes people who would disagree with you. Jerry Baumchen Yes. I know. But there is a bit of research required to understand so differences as to how it is deployed"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #116 December 23, 2014 rushmc***Hi rush, QuoteWaterboarding is not torture There were some WW II war crimes people who would disagree with you. Jerry Baumchen Yes. I know. But there is a bit of research required to understand so differences as to how it is deployed The excuses of weasels and hypocrites everywhere throughout the ages.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #117 December 23, 2014 regulator Kind of like the way when nadal hassan shot up those people at fort hood and then it was 'workplace violence'? Are you saying that he didn't work at Fort Hood, or that shooting your workmates isn't violent?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #118 December 23, 2014 kallend ******Hi rush, Quote Waterboarding is not torture There were some WW II war crimes people who would disagree with you. Jerry Baumchen Yes. I know. But there is a bit of research required to understand so differences as to how it is deployed The excuses of weasels and hypocrites everywhere throughout the ages. From the sites known expert"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 806 #119 December 24, 2014 Well played sir. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #120 December 24, 2014 rushmc *********Hi rush, Quote Waterboarding is not torture There were some WW II war crimes people who would disagree with you. Jerry Baumchen Yes. I know. But there is a bit of research required to understand so differences as to how it is deployed The excuses of weasels and hypocrites everywhere throughout the ages. From the sites known expertWhy don't you explain very carefully how it's OK when we waterboard people but not when others waterboard our people. Explain how it's OK when we keep a prisoner naked until he dies of hypothermia, but it's not OK when others do it. How it's OK when we beat prisoners but not OK when others beat our people. How it's OK when we shove stuff up prisoners' recta, but not when others do it to our people. How it's OK when we deprive prisoners of sleep for days on end, but not when others do it to our people. How it's OK when we shackle prisoners to the ceiling for days on end, but not OK when others do it to our people. I would really like to know, and I'm sure you could explain it to Senator McCain too, since he seems to disagree with your analysis.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #121 December 24, 2014 kallend ************Hi rush, Quote Waterboarding is not torture There were some WW II war crimes people who would disagree with you. Jerry Baumchen Yes. I know. But there is a bit of research required to understand so differences as to how it is deployed The excuses of weasels and hypocrites everywhere throughout the ages. From the sites known expertWhy don't you explain very carefully how it's OK when we waterboard people but not when others waterboard our people. Explain how it's OK when we keep a prisoner naked until he dies of hypothermia, but it's not OK when others do it. How it's OK when we beat prisoners but not OK when others beat our people. How it's OK when we shove stuff up prisoners' recta, but not when others do it to our people. How it's OK when we deprive prisoners of sleep for days on end, but not when others do it to our people. How it's OK when we shackle prisoners to the ceiling for days on end, but not OK when others do it to our people. I would really like to know, and I'm sure you could explain it to Senator McCain too, since he seems to disagree with your analysis. BUMP. C'mon Marc, they're easy questions.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #122 December 24, 2014 kallend*** Kind of like the way when nadal hassan shot up those people at fort hood and then it was 'workplace violence'? Are you saying that he didn't work at Fort Hood, or that shooting your workmates isn't violent? BUMP. Someone else who suddenly went silent when asked a simple question.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #123 December 24, 2014 QuoteSomeone else who suddenly went silent when asked a simple question. Its because it was a stupid question not worth a response. The fucking guy stated before the trial started that he was acting to protect Taliban leaders in Afghanistan from the U.S. military. Thats terrorism Workplace violence would have been shooting someone because they diddnt get a bonus, boss slept with wife, harassment etc. Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RMK 3 #124 December 24, 2014 Even other NYC cops fear NYC cops: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/23/off-duty-black-cops-nypd_n_6373496.html The murder of the two NYC cops is heinous. However, it doesn't change the track record and policing style of the NYPD as a whole."Pain is the best instructor, but no one wants to attend his classes" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
bigbearfng 18 #125 December 24, 2014 kallend****** Kind of like the way when nadal hassan shot up those people at fort hood and then it was 'workplace violence'? Are you saying that he didn't work at Fort Hood, or that shooting your workmates isn't violent? BUMP. Someone else who suddenly went silent when asked a simple question. Yup, he did work at Fort Hood and what he did was violent. The point is the motive..... http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/oct/10/nidal-hasan-self-described-solder-of-allah-touts-j/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
