kallend 2,027 #26 December 21, 2014 lawrocket***The NRA spends decades promoting the "guns are good" culture and working to suppress all research on gun violenceGun control advocates have been winning for thirty years by trying to ensure that only cops and bad guys have them, and now the US has the highest rates of cop on civilian and civilian on cop shootings in the developed world. Go figure. Fixed to further expand the whole argumentative correlation thing. Whatever the argument, guns are not remotely restricted in the way you describe. There are more guns out there now than ever, and the NRA (mouthpiece of the gun manufacturers) has lobbied hard to make it so.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #27 December 21, 2014 AnvilbrotherGuns are great! It's the people part that's fucked up! How many cops have been killed this year by people WITHOUT guns?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,500 #28 December 21, 2014 CrocThat's like claiming that an organization that defends free speech is responsible for pornography. Well, it does sort of work that way, yeah. But what's wrong with pornography?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #29 December 21, 2014 jakee***That's like claiming that an organization that defends free speech is responsible for pornography. Well, it does sort of work that way, yeah. But what's wrong with pornography? Doesn't leave enough corpses?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #30 December 21, 2014 How many cops have been killed this year by guns without people attached to them? You always fail to recognize these guns did not magically fly into the air and drive around town to find a cop to shoot. The human component is to blame for the death not the gun. Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
champu 1 #31 December 21, 2014 kallend***Guns are great! It's the people part that's fucked up! How many cops have been killed this year by people WITHOUT guns? Actually quite a few. Many are accidents, but not always. It always strikes me as strange when people imply or state that guns make it too easy to murder people, as though the difficulty of the physical/mechanical act of damaging another person's body until it stopped functioning was the biggest thing preventing murder. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,523 #32 December 21, 2014 kallend***Guns are great! It's the people part that's fucked up! How many cops have been killed this year by people WITHOUT guns? I don't know about this particular year, but about 10% are killed by their own gun (criminal disarms cop and shoots cop with cop's gun). Those people didn't have a gun to start with. I couldn't find much for cops being killed without being shot (or in a car crash). One in El Paso TX a couple years ago was beaten and later died. Searching "police killed by unarmed" or "beaten to death" keeps coming up with cops killing unarmed people or cops being the ones doing the beating."There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bolas 5 #33 December 21, 2014 Hopefully Ferguson has taught these other cities that when the protests devolve into calls for violence, they're just one step away from full scale riots and looting. Time to shut them down. This is what most don't understand about protests. They're a tool, not the solution. Make your voice heard, get the publicity, then use that to push the change you want. The problem is the people out there now are most likely ones that don't understand this so when they feel like nothing has changed yet, they get frustrated and either leave or stay and become angrier, especially those that are unemployed. The longer they stay, the angrier and less rational they become.Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jclalor 12 #34 December 21, 2014 Where's all the outrage when white "sovereign citizens" are out killing cops? White anti-government types out killing cops are a much more common occurrence than lone crazy black guys out killing cops. http://rt.com/usa/177892-sovereign-citizen-terrorist-threat/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jclalor 12 #35 December 21, 2014 It also doesn't seem all that long ago, when the possibility of killing law enforcement seem to be a very exciting idea to a whole lot of folks on the right. Remember? http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/04/13/article-2603026-1D103FEC00000578-811_634x439.jpg Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #36 December 21, 2014 Race card nice! Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jclalor 12 #37 December 22, 2014 AnvilbrotherRace card nice! The last line of the OP. "Black lives matter. Cops lives don't matter" Where was your comment about playing the race card then? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #38 December 22, 2014 I ran out, had to go to the store and get more. Dont feel like your being picked on every other comment here needed one. Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CameraNewbie 0 #39 December 22, 2014 wolfriverjoe ******Guns are great! It's the people part that's fucked up! How many cops have been killed this year by people WITHOUT guns? I don't know about this particular year, but about 10% are killed by their own gun (criminal disarms cop and shoots cop with cop's gun). Those people didn't have a gun to start with. I couldn't find much for cops being killed without being shot (or in a car crash). One in El Paso TX a couple years ago was beaten and later died. Searching "police killed by unarmed" or "beaten to death" keeps coming up with cops killing unarmed people or cops being the ones doing the beating. Epic fail on the internet research.Newspaper Article: Veteran NYPD cop dies in Brooklyn after ex-con shoves him down stairs during domestic dispute arrestWhat do protesters want? Dead cops! When do they want it? Every 2 weeks! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CameraNewbie 0 #40 December 22, 2014 kallend***Guns are great! It's the people part that's fucked up! How many cops have been killed this year by people WITHOUT guns? Not sure but here's one This is the problem civilians don't understand, anyone resisting arrest will do anything in their power to not get arrested. Ex-cons getting arrested will literally kill to not go back to jail. Civilians will never understand the dangerous mind of a criminal.What do protesters want? Dead cops! When do they want it? Every 2 weeks! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
CameraNewbie 0 #41 December 22, 2014 Quote The last line of the OP. "Black lives matter. Cops lives don't matter" Where was your comment about playing the race card then? I'm not taking credit for the protesters' slogan. That's copyright infringement. I'm just quoting the protesters' slogan - T-shirt sloganWhat do protesters want? Dead cops! When do they want it? Every 2 weeks! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #42 December 22, 2014 kallend***That's like claiming that an organization that defends free speech is responsible for pornography. No, it is nothing like that at all. Okay. How about an organization that lobbies for the right for consensual sex is responsible for HIV deaths? Guns are like penises - both can kill you. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tkhayes 348 #43 December 22, 2014 free speech IS somewhat responsible for pornography. the difference is that pornography does not result in the deaths of tens of thousands of people every year pornography is often regulated, and society is OK with that. Guns are generally not and are likely easier to get than ever before. Pornography never resulted is a mass death of children at a school. or multiple occurrences of same. The argument is valid, and so is your comparison. If you promote chemicals the chemical industry and chemical development and then you end up with chemicals in your drinking water, then yes, you actually ARE somewhat responsible for that. And you can still support the use of guns AND at the same expect better from the gun culture, gun regulations, gun lobbies to help protect something that you give a shit about.....like say.... people's lives maybe. anyway, back to the original debate - no one actually knows why this piece of shit decided to execute two cops. he's an asshole. but he was an asshole who apparently had little or no trouble getting a gun. guns don;t kill people. People WITH guns kill people. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tkhayes 348 #44 December 22, 2014 QuoteEx-cons getting arrested will literally kill to not go back to jail. far too broad a claim to make, sorry. http://www.fox21news.com/news/story.aspx?id=1128420#.VJf9GAxA Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #45 December 22, 2014 CameraNewbie******Guns are great! It's the people part that's fucked up! How many cops have been killed this year by people WITHOUT guns? Not sure but here's one This is the problem civilians don't understand, anyone resisting arrest will do anything in their power to not get arrested. Ex-cons getting arrested will literally kill to not go back to jail. Civilians will never understand the dangerous mind of a criminal. Wow, you found ONE. I'm impressed. Cops shoot over 400 civilians every year on average, many of them unarmed and guilty of nothing. www.google.com/search?hl=en&gl=us&tbm=nws&authuser=0&q=cop+shoots+unarmed+person&oq=cop+shoots+unarmed+person&gs_l=news-cc.3..43j43i53.769503.786835.0.787408.31.5.3.23.25.0.131.418.3j2.5.0...0.0...1ac.1.gZxr2lJJiKo... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 221 #46 December 22, 2014 lawrocket******That's like claiming that an organization that defends free speech is responsible for pornography. No, it is nothing like that at all. Okay. How about an organization that lobbies for the right for consensual sex is responsible for HIV deaths? Guns are like penises - both can kill you. Peni are even more dangerous, they are solely responsible for pregnancy as well.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cgriff 0 #47 December 22, 2014 kallend Cops shoot over 400 civilians every year on average, many of them unarmed and guilty of nothing. www.google.com/search?hl=en&gl=us&tbm=nws&authuser=0&q=cop+shoots+unarmed+person&oq=cop+shoots+unarmed+person&gs_l=news-cc.3..43j43i53.769503.786835.0.787408.31.5.3.23.25.0.131.418.3j2.5.0...0.0...1ac.1.gZxr2lJJiKo OK, now I'm confused. Weren't you just arguing that ALL of us should be unarmed and guilty of nothing? I can't quite figure out where you're standing on this one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #48 December 22, 2014 QuoteWow, you found ONE. I'm impressed. I found 10 killed by vehicular assault, how fucking impressed are you now.... http://www.odmp.org/search/year Quotemany of them unarmed and guilty of nothing. Prove it. I say a dozen are shot illegally by cops and have shown my work to get to that point many times here. Show me the "many" out of 400 you speak of. And if you say the 400 isnt correct because they dont keep track of it properly then stop fucking using that number because if I cant use it, neither can you! Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #49 December 22, 2014 QuotePeni are even more dangerous, they are solely responsible for pregnancy as well. Not solely; there are also turkey basters, swimming pools and black patent leather shoes on Catholic girls. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 221 #50 December 22, 2014 Andy9o8QuotePeni are even more dangerous, they are solely responsible for pregnancy as well. Not solely; there are also turkey basters, swimming pools and black patent leather shoes on Catholic girls. Those are myths.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
