airdvr 210 #1 December 23, 2014 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/10/war-on-drugs-prisons-infographic_n_4914884.html Interesting stats but I think what's missing here is the overall impact on society. I was born in 1958. By the middle 70's I was pretty heavily involved in drug use. I was never arrested although I can think of 2 incidents where I could have been. I look back on those times with mixed emotions. I was stupid. It was actually skydiving that broke the cycle. But I digress. If I had been incarcerated I'm pretty sure I could have 'paid my dues' and re-entered society. I don't think that happens today. It's so easy for an employer to run a background check and exclude an offender regardless of the offense. Sometimes I watch the TV show 'Cops'. I shake my head every time I see some poor fool busted for a small amount of drugs that was obviously for personal use. I know the cops like to sweat the small timer to get to the next fish on the food chain but that poor fuck has probably had his life ruined. And now I fear that once you've been incarcerated your chances of ending up back in prison probably quadruple due to the fact that you can't find a decent job upon your release. I was lucky. We need to wave a white flag in the war on drugs and find another way; this one's not working.Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,098 #2 December 23, 2014 airdvr http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/03/10/war-on-drugs-prisons-infographic_n_4914884.html Interesting stats but I think what's missing here is the overall impact on society. I was born in 1958. By the middle 70's I was pretty heavily involved in drug use. I was never arrested although I can think of 2 incidents where I could have been. I look back on those times with mixed emotions. I was stupid. It was actually skydiving that broke the cycle. But I digress. If I had been incarcerated I'm pretty sure I could have 'paid my dues' and re-entered society. I don't think that happens today. It's so easy for an employer to run a background check and exclude an offender regardless of the offense. Sometimes I watch the TV show 'Cops'. I shake my head every time I see some poor fool busted for a small amount of drugs that was obviously for personal use. I know the cops like to sweat the small timer to get to the next fish on the food chain but that poor fuck has probably had his life ruined. And now I fear that once you've been incarcerated your chances of ending up back in prison probably quadruple due to the fact that you can't find a decent job upon your release. I was lucky. We need to wave a white flag in the war on drugs and find another way; this one's not working. But, but - what would become of the private prison industry? ... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyMarko 1 #3 December 23, 2014 It's still weird to me that I can just leave my office, walk a block, go into a store, buy and ounce of weed, be on my merry way and enjoy my flower at home. And in other states, people are doing hard fucking time for the same thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 841 #4 December 23, 2014 The Feds should really show us some intelligence and de-classify weed. It's just silly at this point. I think most of society has seen past the lies. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cgriff 0 #5 December 23, 2014 airdvrWe need to wave a white flag in the war on drugs and find another way; this one's not working. Nonsense! It's working perfectly... It gives the perfect excuse for nearly any ludicrous law they want to pass, and at the same time funnels ludicrous amounts of money to those in power. "We know prohibition failed; we just want to give it one more shot..." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rick 67 #6 December 23, 2014 kallend But, but - what would become of the private prison industry? yeah that is not working out so good in Florida the private companies seem to kill a lot more prisoners than when the state ran the systemYou can't be drunk all day if you don't start early! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
catfishhunter 2 #7 December 23, 2014 Something we can agree on. Having been on the front line and by the grace of my higher power through luck and a little bit of intelligence I'm still breathing and was able to scrub my record. Drugs and addiction are not one in the same. You cannot criminalize away addiction. It is a disease that requires treatment not incarceration. As for our criminal system we have lost what punishment and rehabilitation mean. I blame the ACLU and the liberals. The whole cruel and unusual was taken way out of context. Cruel and unusual is locking people up with no way of paying their toll for their crimes and being rehabilitated. I could go on and on this is one area that my libertarian side really comes to the surface. MAKE EVERY DAY COUNT Life is Short and we never know how long we are going to have. We must live life to the fullest EVERY DAY. Everything we do should have a greater purpose. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #8 December 23, 2014 catfishhunter As for our criminal system we have lost what punishment and rehabilitation mean. I blame the ACLU and the liberals. What??? You think the ACLU and liberals want people locked up? See https://www.aclu.org/criminal-law-reform/drug-sentencing-and-penalties"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
catfishhunter 2 #9 December 23, 2014 ryoder*** As for our criminal system we have lost what punishment and rehabilitation mean. I blame the ACLU and the liberals. What??? You think the ACLU and liberals want people locked up? See https://www.aclu.org/criminal-law-reform/drug-sentencing-and-penalties No they have fought over and over against PUNISHMENT. Now instead of punishment we warehouse and educate them and not the right way. There is a reason prison is referred to as gladiator training centers. MAKE EVERY DAY COUNT Life is Short and we never know how long we are going to have. We must live life to the fullest EVERY DAY. Everything we do should have a greater purpose. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,098 #10 December 26, 2014 Commentary from the WSJ: www.wsj.com/articles/robert-rubin-and-nicholas-turner-the-steep-cost-of-americas-high-incarceration-rate-1419543410?mod=trending_now_2... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #11 December 30, 2014 Iago***Commentary from the WSJ: www.wsj.com/articles/robert-rubin-and-nicholas-turner-the-steep-cost-of-americas-high-incarceration-rate-1419543410?mod=trending_now_2 Prison should be for crimes involving violence or crimes against persons. The rest should be house arrest and community service. Personally, I would rather go to jail for a month than have to do 30 days at home with mom where I was her problem. You stole someone's iPhone? OK, that's bad. House arrest and service. You smacked someone in the head and stole their iPhone? That's jail time. What about when the "convict" refuses community service or violates the house arrest?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #12 December 30, 2014 turtlespeed******Commentary from the WSJ: www.wsj.com/articles/robert-rubin-and-nicholas-turner-the-steep-cost-of-americas-high-incarceration-rate-1419543410?mod=trending_now_2 Prison should be for crimes involving violence or crimes against persons. The rest should be house arrest and community service. Personally, I would rather go to jail for a month than have to do 30 days at home with mom where I was her problem. You stole someone's iPhone? OK, that's bad. House arrest and service. You smacked someone in the head and stole their iPhone? That's jail time. What about when the "convict" refuses community service or violates the house arrest? That's easy, you just choke him or shoot him. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #13 December 30, 2014 SkyDekker*********Commentary from the WSJ: www.wsj.com/articles/robert-rubin-and-nicholas-turner-the-steep-cost-of-americas-high-incarceration-rate-1419543410?mod=trending_now_2 Prison should be for crimes involving violence or crimes against persons. The rest should be house arrest and community service. Personally, I would rather go to jail for a month than have to do 30 days at home with mom where I was her problem. You stole someone's iPhone? OK, that's bad. House arrest and service. You smacked someone in the head and stole their iPhone? That's jail time. What about when the "convict" refuses community service or violates the house arrest? That's easy, you just choke him or shoot him. Why not give them more house arrest, it will work so well.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
