Another scumbag politician.

[wmw999 2,451]

He's a real gift that keeps on giving. I just hope he really seriously torpedoes the party sometime soon. Both parties are sick, but the Republicans are sicker right now

Wendy P.

[JerryBaumchen 1,364]

1 hour ago, gowlerk said:

I had to read that post three times to understand just WTF you were talking about. All because I misread Santos as Soros. Time for an early bed I guess.

Hi Ken,
I did the same thing on the first read-thru.

Jerry Baumchen

[headoverheels 333]

4 hours ago, wmw999 said:

Both parties are sick, but the Republicans are sicker right now

"We suck less!!!  We suck less!!! "

[wmw999 2,451]

6 hours ago, headoverheels said:

"We suck less!!!  We suck less!!! "

That's about it. Another high bar, eh?

Wendy P.

[gowlerk 2,198]

10 hours ago, wmw999 said:

Both parties are sick, but the Republicans are sicker right now

That's just an easy of stating things without offending too many people. 

[wmw999 2,451]

Maybe, but it's also what I think. Too mature and entrenched a power system generally becomes more about maintaining power than actually serving the original perceived need or purpose that led that system. Mainly because too many humans are basically control freaks, with plenty of yes men who are happy to bask in reflected power. And all political parties are is a mechanism to control access to elective office.

The thing is that direct democracy breaks down when it gets too big -- look at all the New England towns that are doing away with their annual Town Meetings in favor of a representative structure. Because everyone wants someone else to take care of things.

Wendy P.

 

[kallend 2,027]

3 hours ago, wmw999 said:

 

The thing is that direct democracy breaks down when it gets too big -- look at all the New England towns that are doing away with their annual Town Meetings in favor of a representative structure. Because everyone wants someone else to take care of things.

Wendy P.

 

In the lumber camps in Michigan some 100+ years ago the rule was that anyone complaining about the food automatically became the camp cook - a job none of the men apparently wanted.  It kept complaints to a minimum.

[JoeWeber 2,720]

Just now, kallend said:

In the lumber camps in Michigan some 100+ years ago the rule was that anyone complaining about the food automatically became the camp cook - a job none of the men apparently wanted.  It kept complaints to a minimum.

Thanks John, it must be something to have lived in the best of times.

[kallend 2,027]

6 hours ago, JoeWeber said:

Thanks John, it must be something to have lived in the best of times.

Indeed!

 

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

Well, the former Florida state rep who sponsored what became known as the "Don't Say Gay" law has...

Pled guilty to wire fraud, money laundering and a couple other things.

For stealing Covid relief funds.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/former-florida-gop-legislator-pleads-guilty-covid-relief-fraud-charges-rcna76021
 

[ryoder 1,590]

7 minutes ago, wolfriverjoe said:

Well, the former Florida state rep who sponsored what became known as the "Don't Say Gay" law has...

Pled guilty to wire fraud, money laundering and a couple other things.

For stealing Covid relief funds.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/politics-news/former-florida-gop-legislator-pleads-guilty-covid-relief-fraud-charges-rcna76021
 

 

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

2 minutes ago, ryoder said:

 

At what?

That he got caught?

[billvon 2,995]

And in Florida news:

DeSantis announced his plan to cancel Disney a while back, and they have since gotten into gear trying to do everything they can to destroy the "woke" company that dares to (for example) put a black mermaid in a movie.  Or more importantly, opposes teacher gag orders.

They have recently run into a problem.  Turns out that, right before any of those plans to cancel Disney went into effect, Disney had a meeting with the outgoing board and changed a few things, including much of the details of who controls the Reedy Improvement District where Disney resides.   Some of the new provisions last for 30 years.  Some last until "21 years after the death of the last survivor of the descendants of King Charles III, king of England."

A new board member put it this way.  "This essentially makes Disney the government.  This board loses, for practical purposes, the majority of its ability to do anything beyond maintaining the roads and maintaining basic infrastructure.”

So why didn't DeSantis stop this meeting or put restrictions on it?  Because he didn't know it was happening.  Disney did all the notifications required under the law, including notices in all the local papers that the meeting was occurring.  Desantis, and his new board, missed them.

A Trump spokesman put it this way: "Ron DeSantis just got out-negotiated by Mickey Mouse."

[billvon 2,995]

Also in Florida:

DeSantis announced his plans to gut First Amendment rights in Florida by making it easier to sue people for defamation.  The standard is now pretty high for reporters and the like - the defendant has to prove that they knew they were wrong and were doing it to harm the defendant.  By reducing that threshold it makes it easier to (for example) sue CNN if CNN says that Trump lost the election.

DeSantis put it this way: "It’s our view in Florida that we want to be standing up for the little guy against some of these massive media conglomerates."

Unfortunately there is now a little guy (Dominion) suing a massive media conglomerate (FOX News) for defamation.  And there is growing concern that the next Dominion will be able to sue FOX in Florida - and have a much easier chance of winning.

Trump's GA Bill Barr put the concerns of FOX News consumers like this:  "For the foreseeable future, we will likely be on the wrong side of the culture-setting consensus.  There are precious few conservative news outlets as it is. Why make them more vulnerable to the multitude of left-wing plaintiffs’ lawyers?”

Many conservatives hate it when the laws they pass to own the libs turn out to apply to them as well.

[gowlerk 2,198]

17 minutes ago, billvon said:

A Trump spokesman put it this way: "Ron DeSantis just got out-negotiated by Mickey Mouse."

If DeSantis does run for POTUS and Trump stays in as well I am going to delight in the battle scars they will inflict on each other.

[kallend 2,027]

I guess chief of staff to a governor puts you in the politician category:
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/former-top-aide-ex-maryland-gov-larry-hogan-dies-manhunt-lawyer-says-rcna78055

Another crook.

 

[phantomII 37]

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/04/03/desantis-signs-gun-bill-00090170

Looks like De Santis made Florida a lot safer.

[BIGUN 1,317]

On 3/30/2023 at 12:36 PM, gowlerk said:

If DeSantis does run for POTUS and Trump stays in as well I am going to delight in the battle scars they will inflict on each other.

Never underestimate the power of the back room deal.

e.g. Kamala lambasting Biden in the debates only to wind up as VP.

[Phil1111 1,149]

29 minutes ago, BIGUN said:

Never underestimate the power of the back room deal.

e.g. Kamala lambasting Biden in the debates only to wind up as VP.

Ordinarily thats true. Most politicians are quick to bury the hatchet. To kiss and make up with others within the party. Because common political goals are whats important.

trump is a party onto himself. He holds grudges and is unafraid to pursue them. He's more likely to select MTG as his running mate.

“Meatball Ron,”“Tiny D.” “DeEstablishment” “Shutdown Ron”“DeSoros.” etc. Clearly trump has put allot of thought into this potential running mate.

[JerryBaumchen 1,364]

11 hours ago, phantomII said:

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/04/03/desantis-signs-gun-bill-00090170

Looks like De Santis made Florida a lot safer.

Hi phantom,

From your link:   but falls short of what some gun-rights activists sought.

One has to wonder just when will they be happy.

Jerry Baumchen

 

[BIGUN 1,317]

4 hours ago, Phil1111 said:

trump is a party onto himself. He holds grudges and is unafraid to pursue them. He's more likely to select MTG as his running mate.

<shudders>

[Phil1111 1,149]

1 hour ago, JerryBaumchen said:

Hi phantom,

From your link:   but falls short of what some gun-rights activists sought.

One has to wonder just when will they be happy.

Jerry Baumchen

 

[billvon 2,995]

And now there is . . .  Clarence Thomas.  Who supposedly isn't a politician, but lord don't he help himself.

For more than two decades, Thomas has accepted luxury trips virtually every year from Dallas businessman [and republican megadonor Harlan Crow] without disclosing them, documents and interviews show. A public servant who has a salary of $285,000, he has vacationed on Crow’s superyacht around the globe. He flies on Crow’s Bombardier Global 5000 jet. He has gone with Crow to the Bohemian Grove, the exclusive California all-male retreat, and to Crow’s sprawling ranch in East Texas. And Thomas typically spends about a week every summer at Crow’s private resort in the Adirondacks.

The extent and frequency of Crow’s apparent gifts to Thomas have no known precedent in the modern history of the U.S. Supreme Court.

These trips appeared nowhere on Thomas’ financial disclosures. His failure to report the flights appears to violate a law passed after Watergate that requires justices, judges, members of Congress and federal officials to disclose most gifts, two ethics law experts said. He also should have disclosed his trips on the yacht, these experts said.

https://www.propublica.org/article/clarence-thomas-scotus-undisclosed-luxury-travel-gifts-crow

[kallend 2,027]

2 hours ago, billvon said:

And now there is . . .  Clarence Thomas.  Who supposedly isn't a politician, but lord don't he help himself.

For more than two decades, Thomas has accepted luxury trips virtually every year from Dallas businessman [and republican megadonor Harlan Crow] without disclosing them, documents and interviews show. A public servant who has a salary of $285,000, he has vacationed on Crow’s superyacht around the globe. He flies on Crow’s Bombardier Global 5000 jet. He has gone with Crow to the Bohemian Grove, the exclusive California all-male retreat, and to Crow’s sprawling ranch in East Texas. And Thomas typically spends about a week every summer at Crow’s private resort in the Adirondacks.

The extent and frequency of Crow’s apparent gifts to Thomas have no known precedent in the modern history of the U.S. Supreme Court.

These trips appeared nowhere on Thomas’ financial disclosures. His failure to report the flights appears to violate a law passed after Watergate that requires justices, judges, members of Congress and federal officials to disclose most gifts, two ethics law experts said. He also should have disclosed his trips on the yacht, these experts said.

https://www.propublica.org/article/clarence-thomas-scotus-undisclosed-luxury-travel-gifts-crow

Lock him up.

[feuergnom 28]

19 hours ago, kallend said:

Lock him up.

Won't happen