SkyMagilla 0 #26 December 24, 2014 Perhaps there's a good reason for stereotypes against blacks: Quote: "In 2013 24.3% of all hate crime offenders were black. According to the last census, blacks make up 12.6% of the population. That means that blacks commit hate crimes at nearly double the rate of their population percentage." http://reagancoalition.com/articles/2014/fbi-blacks-commit-hate-crimes-more-than-any-other-race.html?utm_source=fnot3&utm_medium=facebook Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,439 #27 December 24, 2014 And, interestingly enough, most blacks are treated with suspicion or something like that by whites. But apparently they shouldn't react negatively and take it personally You seem to be justifying the whole DWB thing, and saying that it's OK because white people's perception is more important than black people's. Wendy P. There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,026 #28 December 25, 2014 SkyMagillaWhat's the one thing that all these shot-dead black men have in common? They were all assaulting armed cops. Simply not true. Some were, some weren't. Quote Isn't it funny how this thread so quickly deteriorated into calling the original messenger a racist? A very reasonable interpretation based on his posting history.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyMagilla 0 #29 December 25, 2014 Bureau of Justice Statistics, see page 7, table 5, here: http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/fdluc09.pdf Blacks comprise 13% of the population and commit 57% of all murders. White comprise 63% of the population and commit 12% of all murders. Therefore: Blacks commit murder at 4.4 times their proportion of the population. Whites commit murder at .2 times their proportion of the population. Therefore: Blacks commit murder at a rate 22 times higher than whites. So if you're a cop pulling over a car reported to contain a murder suspect, to which race would you respond with the most caution? QuoteYou seem to be justifying the whole DWB thing, and saying that it's OK because white people's perception is more important than black people's. Simply for driving? Of course that doesn't constitute suspicious behavior, and shouldn't be reason to pull them over. But if pulled over, they should be respectful and then be on their way. Belligerence is not the way to respond. It's not about perception, it's about facts, like the ones I posted, above. It's an ugly truth that no one wants to admit or confront. But until we do, nothing will change... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
D22369 0 #30 December 25, 2014 well, its been a while but that's a lot like when Yakima county got threatened with a lawsuit because the jail had over 70% Mexicans 15% whites and 10% blacks incarcerated in the jail - RACISM!!! never mind that the Mexicans were committing the majority of the crimes and getting caught... Yakima started trading inmates with King county to bring the stats down on what races were incarcerated... what a weird world we live in... statistics don't lieThey say I suffer from insanity.... But I actually enjoy it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyMagilla 0 #31 December 25, 2014 Right, the assumption by some because jail populations are disproportionately represented by blacks, is that the justice system must be racist. No, it's because blacks commit a disproportionate amount of crime. If we were to free enough black prison inmates to reduce their jail population to match their percentage of the population overall (13%), then that would require freeing huge numbers of actual dangerous criminals. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
D22369 0 #32 December 25, 2014 they cleared out the mental wards... they will get around to doing that soon enough I am sure Quote that would require freeing huge numbers of actual dangerous criminals. They say I suffer from insanity.... But I actually enjoy it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,489 #33 December 25, 2014 QuoteRight, the assumption by some because jail populations are disproportionately represented by blacks, is that the justice system must be racist. No, it's because blacks commit a disproportionate amount of crime. It's almost as if people had never heard of the concept of 'both'. QuoteIf we were to free enough black prison inmates to reduce their jail population to match their percentage of the population overall (13%), then that would require freeing huge numbers of actual dangerous criminals. Or a huge number of drug offenders treated overly harshly by a racist system.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,026 #34 December 25, 2014 SkyMagillaRight, the assumption by some because jail populations are disproportionately represented by blacks, is that the justice system must be racist. No, it's because blacks commit a disproportionate amount of crime. If we were to free enough black prison inmates to reduce their jail population to match their percentage of the population overall (13%), then that would require freeing huge numbers of actual dangerous criminals. 55% of the prison population is there for drug offenses. Sentences for drugs favored by blacks are harsher than for drugs favored by whites. Blacks are 21% more likely than whites to receive mandatory minimum sentences and 20% more likely to be sentenced to prison than white, for the SAME offenses. The system IS racist.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
stayhigh 2 #35 December 25, 2014 The blacks have to get harsher sentences due to 3/5th compromise.Bernie Sanders for President 2016 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #36 December 25, 2014 A law is a fucking law! It has been front rolled since the late 1800's and became a regulated as a drug in the 1930's how you put race into this is fucking outrageous. The sentences average higher for blacks because it's probably a third fourth fifth offense......due to the slap on the wrist they got on their first and second. Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #37 December 25, 2014 Lots of people talking out of their asses. Trying to add in people in prison for drugs as a way to dilute the realities. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/josh-sugarmann/murder-rate-for-black-ame_b_4702228.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #38 December 25, 2014 Merry racist Christmas everyone. Oh, and despite all the artwork, Jesus wasn't a white guy. That's why The Man lynched his ass: he was too uppity. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
champu 1 #39 December 25, 2014 Andy9o8Merry racist Christmas everyone. Is that where you live is Southern California (with all the immigrants) and write everyone you know to tell them you're "Dreaming of a white Christmas" lamenting how things used to be and warning others not to let the same thing happen where they are? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyMagilla 0 #40 December 25, 2014 GravitymasterLots of people talking out of their asses. Trying to add in people in prison for drugs as a way to dilute the realities. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/josh-sugarmann/murder-rate-for-black-ame_b_4702228.html Yep. Some people like to criticize America because its crime rates aren't as low as European nations. But America's crime rate is only so high because of the component for which blacks are responsible. If you look at only the white (non-hispanic) crime rate, it IS comparable to those European nations. And it should also be said, that American crime is not as bad now as it has been in the past, even with black crime - we are currently at a 40-year low. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,026 #41 December 25, 2014 SkyMagilla***Lots of people talking out of their asses. Trying to add in people in prison for drugs as a way to dilute the realities. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/josh-sugarmann/murder-rate-for-black-ame_b_4702228.html Yep. Some people like to criticize America because its crime rates aren't as low as European nations. But America's crime rate is only so high because of the component for which blacks are responsible. If you look at only the white (non-hispanic) crime rate, it IS comparable to those European nations. "As ye sow, so shall ye reap".... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 34 #42 December 25, 2014 normiss Yep. Racist. There are certain areas that I avoid driving or walking through. Does that make me a racist? No, I call it self-preservation from being a crime victim. And yes, the perception is there. It's a high crime area. "Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,026 #43 December 26, 2014 BillyVance ***Yep. Racist. There are certain areas that I avoid driving or walking through. Does that make me a racist? No, I call it self-preservation from being a crime victim. And yes, the perception is there. It's a high crime area. I've lived and worked on Chicago's south side for 37 years. I'll drive anywhere. I normally have no reason to walk other than near home, work and the shopping or downtown areas. In those 37 years I have not had any negative encounters.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 798 #44 December 26, 2014 Chicago says DWB is true Oops. Those numbers don't always work for people arguing in support of racism based on statistics. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #45 December 26, 2014 They also forget that some of the worst cities in the U.S for crime have a black Mayor, black Police Chief etc. Yet we are to believe they only hire racist white Cops. I guess most of these are the same ones who were arguing recently that only the Police should have guns. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,489 #46 December 26, 2014 GravitymasterThey also forget that some of the worst cities in the U.S for crime have a black Mayor, black Police Chief etc. Yet we are to believe they only hire racist white Cops. So what is the percentage breakdown white/black/other for the police force and DAs office? You think it's going to be loaded towards blacks?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,026 #47 December 26, 2014 normissChicago says DWB is true Oops. Those numbers don't always work for people arguing in support of racism based on statistics. That would be in line with my observation over the years.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
winsor 236 #48 December 26, 2014 Iago***Yep. Racist. Racism: The belief that a race is, by virtue of its genetics, inferior to another, and a member of that race cannot change the view of the racist. This doesn't mean that the racist is necessarily cruel, but simply cannot see a person of the "other" race as an equal. Prejudice: Literally, pre-judging. Taking the measure of another without complete information. The opinion of the person who has pre-judged can be changed with additional information. Often the pre-judging is based on prior experience or the experiences of others. Bigot: "A person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions." In other words, someone who doesn't like a person because of their thoughts. Now, can we please start using the right words at the right times? Very little of what is, in the popular discussion, called "racist" is actually racist. Be advised that there are all kinds of definitions. These include Lexical, Colloquial, Technical, Legal, Precising, Military, Medical and so forth. To use multiple definitions of the same word in an argument is to engage in equivocation. Darwin observed finches occupying a variety of roles in the Galapagos that are filled by other species elsewhere. I have noted social roles occupied by various ethnic groups in differing locales, and in each case it is difficult to separate criticism of the role from implied criticism of the ethnic group. For example, the lower socioeconomic role that is typified by urban negroes in the USA is filled by Romana in the Balkans. The postjudice is effectively identical in both cases. Either case is also a clear example of Mencken's principle that for every complex problem there exists a solution that is simple, elegant and wrong. BSBD, Winsor Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #49 December 26, 2014 jakee***They also forget that some of the worst cities in the U.S for crime have a black Mayor, black Police Chief etc. Yet we are to believe they only hire racist white Cops. So what is the percentage breakdown white/black/other for the police force and DAs office? You think it's going to be loaded towards blacks? You are absolutely ridiculous in your thinking if you think that somehow racial parity equates to the level of racism. Or even the number of incidents or racism. By your thinking, once more blacks are in authority positions, racism against whites will escalate. Of course, unless you also believe blacks are not capable of being racists. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 34 #50 December 26, 2014 Iago Archie Bunker was a prejudiced borderline bigot. Until, of course, the Jeffersons moved in next door and changed his mind. I freaking loved All In The Family and The Jeffersons. They were hysterical."Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
