Police involved shootings - numbers

[normiss 803]

Interesting site, incidents appear to be verified.
The numbers just sound crazy!
Killed by Police

It's unreal what cops deal with.

[catfishhunter 2]

normiss

Interesting site, incidents appear to be verified.
The numbers just sound crazy!
Killed by Police

It's unreal what cops deal with.

Yes it is. They face life and death every single day they leave their home. And for peanuts.

Then they have to come home and keep that all inside so they can try to have normal healthy relationships with their spouse and children but how do you do that after you have just left the scene of a drunk driver that killed a whole family or had to take malnourished kids away from a crack mother or arrested the grandpa for abusing his granddaugthers and it took everything you have to not put a bullet in the mans head.

Yeah fuck the police. Who needs them....What do we want! Dead Cops...

Merry Christmas...

MAKE EVERY DAY COUNT
Life is Short and we never know how long we are going to have. We must live life to the fullest EVERY DAY. Everything we do should have a greater purpose.

[RMK 3]

When something good is happening, no one is going to say “quick, call the police”. Yes, they see and deal with the worst that society has to offer – but that is their job and what they signed up to do. Regarding pay and job security, for a role which generally requires no formal education, they are surprising well paid. Google what a New York or Chicago policeman is paid in salary and pension. In your standard issue small hick town , they can be among the top earners.

Everyone respects and applauds policemen who go about their role professionally, but in many parts of the US, there are departments (or whole cities) where the police are corrupt or racist. That is a problem to be addressed and dealt with; not justified.

"Pain is the best instructor, but no one wants to attend his classes"

[christelsabine 1]

RMK

When something good is happening, no one is going to say “quick, call the police”. Yes, they see and deal with the worst that society has to offer – but that is their job and what they signed up to do. Regarding pay and job security, for a role which generally requires no formal education, they are surprising well paid. Google what a New York or Chicago policeman is paid in salary and pension. In your standard issue small hick town , they can be among the top earners.
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No formal education??? That explains a lot!

Where I live, it needs (after good school graduation, depending on scheduled career in police department): 3 yrs of dual studies (including practice time), ending with a BoA. After that, starting with 4 yrs of 'basic time (f.e. readiness for service)'.

What are prerequisites for them US cops? (OK, I'll google) ...

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[ryoder 1,590]

christelsabine

What are prerequisites for them US cops? (OK, I'll google) ...

http://abcnews.go.com/US/court-oks-barring-high-iqs-cops/story?id=95836

http://www.mintpressnews.com/can-someone-be-too-smart-to-be-a-cop/192106/

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[Andy9o8 2]

ryoder

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What are prerequisites for them US cops? (OK, I'll google) ...

http://abcnews.go.com/US/court-oks-barring-high-iqs-cops/story?id=95836

http://www.mintpressnews.com/can-someone-be-too-smart-to-be-a-cop/192106/

It seems at first blush - but if you stop & think about it, many employers decline applicants who they think are over-qualified for particular positions, for basically the same reason: to avoid too high a risk of rapid voluntary turnover.

[Anvilbrother 0]

Ok great do you stand by that site as the most credible that you have available at this time yes or no?

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[kallend 2,027]

catfishhunter

***Interesting site, incidents appear to be verified.
The numbers just sound crazy!
Killed by Police

It's unreal what cops deal with.

Yes it is. They face life and death every single day they leave their home. And for peanuts.



Well, as the Republicans like to tell us over and over when dealing with the minimum wage, if people don't like their working conditions and remuneration, maybe they should look for another line of work.

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[kallend 2,027]

normiss

Interesting site, incidents appear to be verified.
The numbers just sound crazy!
Killed by Police

It's unreal what cops deal with.

The numbers, however, are quite real, and the number of cops shot by civilians is also absurdly high. Especially when compared with other developed nations (even after taking population into account).

The numbers in the US are incredibly far out of line but there seems to a level of acceptance that I find difficult to understand.

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[Anvilbrother 0]

First off this is not just shootings, this is total deaths involving officers, and is is at 1075 deaths TOTAL from all occurrences, car chases, fights, tazer, restraints, falls, shootings etc.

-The mayor said that video from the confrontation, in the city of Berkeley, appeared to show the teenager pointing a gun at the officer, and police said a handgun was recovered at the scene.
-Lakeland Man Killed in Police Standoff, Wife Found Dead Inside House
-Shot while Todd was brandishing a weapon
-DeKalb County police Monday afternoon identified the gunman killed in an exchange of gunfire
-heriff’s deputies shot and killed an armed Auburn man who had barricaded himself inside a burning home Sunday and fired at officers
-Suicide by cop, set up traps inside the house and pointed fake gun at cops upon entry, shot to death after standoff
-Shot charging officers with a knife
-Knife thrower shot while throwing designed knives at cops
-Used weapon against cop in struggle and was shot
-Suicide by cop chase/7 hour standoff/pointed weapons at cop
-Died after being tazed. Was walking in and out of stores fully nude
-Stun gun death
-Stun gun death
- As the officers tried to arrest the man, he became violently combative and brandished a handgun
-Shot during struggle for officers weapon
-Police told him to put down the weapon, but Osterlind refused to comply, Crump said. Osterlind instead put the gun to his head. Was shot trying to enter another home with weapon.
-Authorities say two Marshalltown police officers were involved in a shooting with a suspect who was armed with a handgun.
-The teenager, identified as Xavier McDonald, had fired on police in Nashboro Village, hitting Officer John Downs in the leg, according to police spokesman Don Aaron. Four officers returned fire, killing McDonald at the scene.
-The deadly gunshot rang out around 2:45 a.m. along the 6600 block of Frankford Avenue after police said the suspect reached for a loaded handgun — stolen last year — in his rental car.
-An officer says the suspect came toward him with a metal object. When he ordered him to stop, he didn't.
-Michael D. Sulton was the man involved in a Madison County carjacking that ended in gunfire, and with his death.
We've also learned that, back in October, Jackson police named Sulton as a suspect in the armed robbery and shooting of 58-year-old Lamar Joseph.
- Rodriquez was shot standing in the street, and when the first two officers pulled up, Rodriquez pulled a gun.
-According to City of Sevierville spokesperson Bob Stahlke, Officer Adam Akers shot Randall Gorden, 27, after he pointed a pistol at the officers. Stahlke said its the city's first officer-involved shooting in at least 25 years.
-Officers ordered the person to drop the knife, but say he did not comply and charged at the officers with the knife.
-Shot while firing a gun at cops
-Charged officers with knife.
-Shot while in a struggle with cop during arrest
-Crashed into houses, slit his throat, shot by cops
-Attempted to kill cop with vehicle
-Pointed a shotgun at cops
-Stabbed a man in the face and was shot
-Shot while in a shootout with the cops
-Shot while brandishing a weapon at a traffic stop
-Shot while reaching for a weapon in a warrant arrest
-Took out a gun and was shot by cops
-Pointed a firearm at cops
-Killed after he shot someone at bar and pointed gun at cops.

Here is a few of the top 50 that I looked at. As you can see 39 of the 50 were clear cut and dry, the others did not have details, or were things like a person dying from tazer, pepper spray etc. There were a couple that shocked me.
1. Cop killed his wife, and himself
2. Street performer killed accidentally by cop vehicle while it was involved in a persuit.

Review the whole list and you will finally see for yourself that cops ARE NOT out of control. It could be said that there are alot of fucked up americans willing to do crazy shit that got them killed.

Ill throw in the 2011 numbers for past historical reference
From the list of 2011 shootings on wiki.

-Shot after assaulting police officer with weapons
-Shot during struggle with officer after Gilyard reached for the officer's handgun.
-Muncie was shot an killed after allegedly wounding three police officers
-Shot while stabbing her own four-year-old daughter to death and refusing commands to put down a knife.
-Welling allegedly put the car in reverse and drove toward the officer, who fired at him several times.
-Shot and killed by a Sebastopol Police Department officer after pulling a revolver from his waistband
-Shot and killed while running from and pointing a gun at an officer.
-Shot in police parking lot when the man came at the officer with a knife
-Shot after shooting at police
- Shot after aiming gun at police.
-Shot after touching his own gun during a meeting to exchange child pornography with undercover federal officials.
-Shot after striking a police officer with vehicle
-shot to death less than a block from him home after refusing to drop his gun.
-Shot after reaching for gun in glove box after resisting arrest.
-Shot after ignoring command to drop weapon and then firing on police
-Shot after ignoring commands to drop weapon and pointing gun at police
-Shot after firing on police.
-Shot after robbing bank, killing an officer with vehicle while fleeing, and firing on police.
-Shot after fatally shooting police officer. Post was wanted on felony charges of shooting at his boss
-Shot after non-fatally shooting associate and refusing to drop weapon.
-Shot after refusing to drop knife and lunging at police officers.'
-Shot after pointing a handgun at police
-Shot after two-hour standoff with police and pointing shotgun at police.
-Shot after shooting near school and shooting at police.
-Shot during shootout with police following bank robbery, car jacking and chase.
-Shot after ignoring deputy commands and setting room on fire. Police were responding to report that Martin threatened to set his wife on fire. Martin had doused her and their home with gasoline
-Hull was shot to death after shooting and injuring a police officer
-Shot while burglarizing the home of an Atlanta police officer.
-Shot after attempting to stab a police officer.
-Shot after refusing to drop knife
-Shot after attacking and grabbing an officer's gun. Another officer told the assailant to drop the gun. The assailant instead pointed the gun at the other officer who then shot him.
-Shot by SWAT team during standoff. The man had shot at a neighbor who called police. As the police arrived, the man shot at them, then barricaded himself inside his home
-Shot after refusing to drop knife and shotgun
-Shot after having a said shootout with police while holding a pistol and attempting to escape in a car.
-Shot after firing at police
-Shot after punching plainclothes officer several times and reaching for knife.
-Shot after refusing to drop knife. Police arrived after Alfred had stabbed another man to death
-Shot after refusing to drop shotgun and approaching officers
-Shot while reaching for handgun while being chased by police
-Shot after struggle with police and reaching for gun in waistband.
-Shot after shooting at police.
-Shot after shooting at police
-After Olivas refused to drop the knife and continued advancing toward officers despite being shot with beanbags, officers shot the man to death
-Shot to death by officers after allegedly pointing a gun at them
-Shot during attempted prison escape. Drove a forklift through one set of doors then into the prison's perimeter fences
-Shot after shooting at officers.
-Shot after refusing to drop weapon
- Shot after car chase and firing a shot.
-Shot after exiting vehicle with shotgun or rifle in hand.
-Shot during an aggravated assault on a law enforcement officer
-Shot during armed robbery of store and after shooting at police.
-Shot after refusing to drop weapon.
-Shot after pulling out a gun and shooting at officers.
-Shot during armed robbery of store and after shooting at police
-Shot after a report of an armed robbery with a sword
-Shot after pointing gun at state trooper.
-Shot after lunging at officers with axe
-Shot after pointing a handgun at officers.
-Shot after advancing on police with knife in hand and refusing commands to drop weapon
-Shot after refusing to lay down a machete Sampson had used to strike an officer's car
-Shot after firing on police, wounding officer and taking a family of four hostage
-Shot in vehicle after shooting at police to include one shot to police officer's arm
-Shot by two Nassau County Police officers when he lunged at them with knives
-Shot after producing a weapon.
-Shot after striking deputy in head with a hammer.
-Shot after firing on police with two pistols.
-Shot after raising gun at officers.
-Shot after point a handgun at officer.
-Shot after confronting deputy with a shotgun.
-Shot after refusing to stop stabbing another man on the ground
-Shot after shooting three times at police.
-Shot after fatally shooting two police officers,
-Shot after pointing gun at police
-Died in a shootout that also killed two Miami-Dade Police Department detectives
-Shot after repeatedgly striking police officers and attempting to take their guns
-Shot in vehicle after dragging police officer with vehicle.
-Shot as approaching officer with knife raised in overhand grip.

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[Anvilbrother 0]

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if people don't like their working conditions and remuneration, maybe they should look for another line of work.

If it were only that easy I would have left years ago. Its not like you have a 401k you can just take with you. Your money goes into a fund that everyone shares from. In most departments if you leave before retirement you loose everything but the little bit you put in.

In our system you get 3.3% of your max salary for every year of work. You can take retirement if you A. Have 10 years of service(vested) and have reached the age of 65
B. Have worked 25 years and are any age.

If you leave early all you get is your contributions. Not the contributions your employer made, nor the interest your money made in the market.

In my case if I were to leave today I would get a whopping 39,000 (pre tax!) to start my retirement over at age 34. Any retirement planner will tell you your falling short to start at 34 with 31,000 and plan on retiring at 67. You would have to put in an insane percent of your income to not fall short.

When people start they are not told that information, and as a young person just entering the work force even if they were told it would not mean anything to them. Its a horrible fucking trap that has you after a certain point.

If you work 30 years you get 100% of your max salary. Thats what they end up telling you.

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[SkyMagilla 0]

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"76 law enforcement officers were killed in line-of-duty incidents in 2013."
"In addition, 49,851 officers were victims of line-of-duty assaults."

FBI report: http://www.fbi.gov/sandiego/press-releases/2014/fbi-releases-2013-statistics-on-law-enforcement-officers-killed-and-assaulted

Cops have good cause to be concerned for their safety.

[kallend 2,027]

SkyMagilla

Quotes:

"76 law enforcement officers were killed in line-of-duty incidents in 2013."

Yep. Compared with UK, Germany, Italy etc. US shootings are way out of line. In both directions.

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[catfishhunter 2]

kallend

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"76 law enforcement officers were killed in line-of-duty incidents in 2013."

Yep. Compared with UK, Germany, Italy etc. US shootings are way out of line. In both directions. And why if you are so damned smart are you still here since you hate the USA so intensely? My Christmas wish for you is to move to one of your beloved countries. I think Italy would be a good one for Italy would be a good one for you. Need help packing?

MAKE EVERY DAY COUNT
Life is Short and we never know how long we are going to have. We must live life to the fullest EVERY DAY. Everything we do should have a greater purpose.

[kallend 2,027]

catfishhunter

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"76 law enforcement officers were killed in line-of-duty incidents in 2013."

Yep. Compared with UK, Germany, Italy etc. US shootings are way out of line. In both directions. And why if you are so damned smart are you still here since you hate the USA so intensely? My Christmas wish for you is to move to one of your beloved countries. I think Italy would be a good one for Italy would be a good one for you. Need help packing?

You seem quite unable to distinguish facts from emotions. Get a grip.

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[skycop 0]

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It's unreal what cops deal with.

Dude,

I've been trying to tell you that for years...............

In all seriousness, policing in an armed society is extremely challenging. Look at the incidents, the vast, vast majority are more than justified. I know of guys who have taken rounds before they would fire back, all in the name of not getting crucified by their own administration and the media.
This is especially true now more than ever. For the foreseeable future the 24 hour news cycle will take advantage of nearly every shoot, no matter how justified, to sell ad space.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/12/24/justice/missouri-officer-involved-shooting/index.html?hpt=hp_t1

"Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

[kallend 2,027]

skycop

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It's unreal what cops deal with.

Dude,

I've been trying to tell you that for years...............

In all seriousness, policing in an armed society is extremely challenging.

Someone who gets it.

When I was a cop in the UK some 40 years ago, it never crossed my mind that someone I approached would be armed.

The constant drumbeat of "stand your ground", "more guns less crime", "Castle Doctrine", etc. has brought us to this point. US cops have to assume anyone they approach is armed and react accordingly.

The US reaps what it sowed; an arms race between police and criminals, and a homicide rate that is by far the highest in the developed world.

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[SkyMagilla 0]

Go here, and see the third chart, "Violent crime rate 1973-2010":
http://www.gallup.com/poll/150464/americans-believe-crime-worsening.aspx

The current violent crime rate is only one-third of what it was 30 years ago. And this has happened with more guns in circulation than ever, more gun owners than ever, more states allowing concealed carry than ever, and with so-called "assault weapons" legal for sale.

Conclusion? Crime must be caused by something other than guns and gun availability.

Crime is about thug culture. We should deal with the culture that makes shooting people cool and proof of how tough and respectable you are. We should deal with fatherless homes that allow kids to grow up to be thugs. We should quit using racism as an excuse for committing crime. And we should lock up every punk that commits a violent crime, irrespective of their skin color.

[skycop 0]

I also believe in 2nd amendment, it was put there for a reason.
I've talked to several cops from Europe, they all said they could never police in our environment, it would be too dangerous.
We just laughed and said there are lots of people who think we in the USA live in a police state, that made them laugh........

"Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

[skycop 0]

That number would have nothing to do with effective policing as well, maybe just a little bit.............?

"Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

[skycop 0]

One decision, one town...........
Hmm...............
That must not include the 4 guys I know who have Juris Doctorate degrees, or the numerous ones who have advanced degrees, or the myriad of guys who have college degrees.
But that is seldom reported, doesn't meet the far left or right narrative.

"Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

[kallend 2,027]

SkyMagilla

Go here, and see the third chart, "Violent crime rate 1973-2010":
http://www.gallup.com/poll/150464/americans-believe-crime-worsening.aspx

The current violent crime rate is only one-third of what it was 30 years ago. And this has happened with more guns in circulation than ever, more gun owners than ever, more states allowing concealed carry than ever, and with so-called "assault weapons" legal for sale.

Conclusion? Crime must be caused by something other than guns and gun availability.

Indeed, 30 years ago the baby boomers were in the prime years for criminal activity. Now we're geriatrics.

Fact remains that the US has roughly 4x the murder rate of other developed nations and 70% of those are with guns. Rates of other crimes are comparable, it's just murders that are way out of line.

Gun apologists like to blame "culture", yet we all watch the same violent TV, movies, and video games.

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[normiss 803]

WHAT? The death penalty is NOT a deterrent????

You'd think murders would go down, no?

[Anvilbrother 0]

kallend

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It's unreal what cops deal with.

Dude,

I've been trying to tell you that for years...............

In all seriousness, policing in an armed society is extremely challenging.

Someone who gets it.

When I was a cop in the UK some 40 years ago, it never crossed my mind that someone I approached would be armed.

The constant drumbeat of "stand your ground", "more guns less crime", "Castle Doctrine", etc. has brought us to this point. US cops have to assume anyone they approach is armed and react accordingly.

The US reaps what it sowed; an arms race between police and criminals, and a homicide rate that is by far the highest in the developed world.

Are you fucking kidding me? That's the whole point I've bee trying to make about you comparing the US to England!!! The fact that we have had guns forever, everyone owns guns, and everyone is suspected of owning and possibly having guns on them because 9/10 is true! SO ALL I SHOULF HAVE SAID WAS "armed society"?

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[Anvilbrother 0]

Gun apologists like to blame "culture", yet we all watch the same violent TV, movies, and video games.

When people say "culture" they mean the rap wars, gangs, and street thug life. I have shown you this before already have you forgotten? You allegedly live in the bad part of Chicago. It's right in front of your face. What's causing the crime there? Young black males with no job pushing drugs robbing houses and shooting eachother.

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