skycop 0 #101 March 11, 2015 QuoteIt was HRDAG. Different group Well I stand corrected, so sue me. QuoteIt’d be tidy if that were the final word — but it isn’t. On Wednesday, researchers who specialize in estimating unreported violent deaths issued a critique of the report. Based on their team’s experience in Syria, Guatemala and other conflict zones, they argued that the true number of killings is probably even higher than the new, higher range of estimates by BJS. Anyone comparing US police shootings to unreported deaths in Syria and Guatemala is at the least a bit dramatic, at the most disingenuous. Police shootings are HEAVILY reported in all forms of media, in addition to being (eventually) subject to open records laws. It's a correlation and data collection problem, not some kind of cover-up. QuoteYou are rather quick to casually dismiss any reports that are critical of LEO. I don't dismiss reports, I just call bullshit when others won't. I'm the first to be critical when there is an actual incident that deserves it. "Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Southern_Man 0 #102 March 11, 2015 skycop QuoteIt’d be tidy if that were the final word — but it isn’t. On Wednesday, researchers who specialize in estimating unreported violent deaths issued a critique of the report. Based on their team’s experience in Syria, Guatemala and other conflict zones, they argued that the true number of killings is probably even higher than the new, higher range of estimates by BJS. Anyone comparing US police shootings to unreported deaths in Syria and Guatemala is at the least a bit dramatic, at the most disingenuous. I do not think you understand. It is not comparing the situations to each other directly. It is comparing the means of statistical analysis employed when data is imperfect. You are right, it is not a cover-up, it is poor data collection. That can be remedied by using the right statistical analysis. If you read and understand the entire article (and have some basic understanding of statistics) you will understand this."What if there were no hypothetical questions?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skycop 0 #103 March 11, 2015 Ummm.......... I do, and there is political undercurrent to the article. That is my main point. I could lecture you on the Uniform Offense Reporting system the feds already have in place for crime reporting. All police shootings are reported using this system. IMHO all it would take is a specific criteria created for LEO involved shootings. "Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,499 #104 March 11, 2015 wolfriverjoe You are rather quick to casually dismiss any reports that are critical of LEO. That's because the police are good and trustworthy, and it's offensive to suggest otherwise. The people that police the police are biased, politically motivated and dishonest, as any reasonable person can see.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 221 #105 March 11, 2015 jakee*** You are rather quick to casually dismiss any reports that are critical of LEO. That's because the police are good and trustworthy, and it's offensive to suggest otherwise. The people that police the police are biased, politically motivated and dishonest, as any reasonable person can see. So they are scientists working on AWG. Gotcha.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Southern_Man 0 #106 March 11, 2015 skycopUmmm.......... I do, and there is political undercurrent to the article. That is my main point. I could lecture you on the Uniform Offense Reporting system the feds already have in place for crime reporting. All police shootings are reported using this system. IMHO all it would take is a specific criteria created for LEO involved shootings. You can lecture me all you want on that database. The feds just said that they don't have a way to accurately count that number and used statistical techniques to come up with a new estimate, which was double the previous admitted number. That's the feds own reporting. You can call that political all you want. This article is merely an analysis of the statistical methods used to arrive at the new estimate. If you want to argue with math and call it politics then have at it."What if there were no hypothetical questions?" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 803 #107 March 11, 2015 Comparing cops killing civilians to terrorist killings???? wow. Thanks for continuing to confirm the issue. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 803 #108 April 6, 2015 Here's one that should be charged with M2. Wow. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #109 April 6, 2015 normiss Here's one that should be charged with M2. Wow. "...a 137-shot barrage by officers... Investigators eventually concluded that neither Russell nor Williams had a gun." WTH is only one of the cops being charged???"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 803 #110 April 6, 2015 I think because he's the one that jumped on the hood of the unarmed men's car and fire 15 shots into the windshield. WTF with all of them? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Driver1 0 #111 April 6, 2015 I would hazard a bet that the two suspects were already dead by the time he got up on the hood to finish them off. The two suspects didn't help matters when they kept trying to drive after being surrounded by cruisers and cops on the ground. That said, if one cop felt he was about to get hit by the car, he was justified in opening fire. But damn... over 100 bullets hit the car.There will be no addressing the customers as "Bitches", "Morons" or "Retards"! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
cvfd1399 0 #112 April 6, 2015 They deserved it for not stopping in a police chase and trying to run someone over, next case. Is this what you want to hear? Because there is no video and we dont know what really happened here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
regulator 0 #113 April 6, 2015 Resisting arrest increases your chances greatly of going home in a body bag. It shouldn't be too hard to figure out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #114 April 6, 2015 Unless you are a rancher, than you are a proud patriot standing up to the MAN. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #115 April 6, 2015 SkyDekker Unless you are a rancher grazing your animals at taxpayer expense, then you are a proud patriot standing up to the MAN. ... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #116 April 7, 2015 The Ocala Police Department is mourning the loss of one of its officers tonight. at.wftv.com/1DUNC9z Officer Jared Forsyth was accidentally shot during firearms training this afternoon. The police chief says a bullet discharged when another officer was unloading his weapon. Not your usual police shooting.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 803 #117 April 8, 2015 Well he was unloading the weapon. This is one way to do that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skycop 0 #118 April 8, 2015 Shooting ranges can be dangerous places, ask David Petraeus. "Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #119 April 8, 2015 skycopShooting ranges can be dangerous places, ask David Petraeus. yeah... but he was shooting with another kind of gun without proper care and handling All in.... indeed http://polpix.sueddeutsche.com/bild/1.1519957.1358451171/860x860/paula-broadwell.jpg Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #120 April 8, 2015 And another. This one so blatant they can't whitewash it. www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/04/07/charges-in-sc-police-shooting/25430473/... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skycop 0 #121 April 8, 2015 Jealous? "Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #122 April 8, 2015 skycopJealous? Not on your life.... I am very choosy in my life.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billeisele 130 #123 April 8, 2015 kallendAnd another. This one so blatant they can't whitewash it. www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/04/07/charges-in-sc-police-shooting/25430473/ no attempt to whitewash, all cop shootings are investigated by the state law enforcement agency, SLED, the facts were quickly reviewed, the cop was fired, arrested and charged with murder it took 2-3 days but the shooting was on the weekend, a quick action by SLED the governor and mayor came out strong, "this isn't what SC is about, this won't be tolerated" unfortunately there are bad cops everywhereGive one city to the thugs so they can all live together. I vote for Chicago where they have strict gun laws. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 803 #124 April 8, 2015 I thought it was a ridiculous policy to arrest people who are unable to pay child support as they are held in jail until they can pay. Maybe murder is easier. Why are cops so damn terrified of humans? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #125 April 8, 2015 billeisele***And another. This one so blatant they can't whitewash it. www.usatoday.com/story/news/2015/04/07/charges-in-sc-police-shooting/25430473/ no attempt to whitewash, all cop shootings are investigated by the state law enforcement agency, SLED, the facts were quickly reviewed, the cop was fired, arrested and charged with murder it took 2-3 days but the shooting was on the weekend, a quick action by SLED the governor and mayor came out strong, "this isn't what SC is about, this won't be tolerated" unfortunately there are bad cops everywhere Maybe you should investigate further. The police story was quite different until the video came out and contradicted it. Without the video this would have been just another whitewash.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
