Eric Garner’s daughter posts address of cop at his death (on topic)

[CameraNewbie 0]

Eric Garner's daughter post address of cop and family members at this death

The Garner family lawyer is planning on suing the city for $75,000,000.

What does she want? Dead cops! When does she want it? Either before or after the 75 mil payout will do.

Stay "on topic".

What do protesters want? Dead cops! When do they want it? Every 2 weeks!

[normiss 851]

I expect her to win a rather large settlement.
Deservedly so.

[BillyVance 34]

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“Nobody in the Garner family, including Erica, would consciously send information out about the personal address or phone number or any identifying information about the police officers, particularly after what happened to those two officers,” Moore said.

And I call BULLSHIT.

Yeah, the cops that took Garner down and didn't get medical help for him need to be disciplined. But two wrongs don't make a right. Two cops just sitting in their cruiser have already been murdered in cold blood. Garner refused to cooperate with the officers, and with his size, the cops did what they felt they had to do, take him down and get the handcuffs on. That's what they were trained to do. They just didn't get medical help for him when he needed it the most.

"Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban

[jakee 1,563]

BillyVance

That's what they were trained to do.

If that's how they were trained to do it then their training was not in accordance with NYPD policy, which will probably have implications for the lawsuit.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[regulator 0]

I'm not making excuses but you and I both know that after a period of training as time progresses the memories of the class fades away. Perhaps more training cycles should be added.

[champu 1]

Posting people's personal details (aka Personally Identifiable Information) when you have both motive to want harm done to said people and an expectation that your audience is sympathetic to your motive is at best chickenshit and at worst criminal.

People have watched too many mob movies and television shows, "It would be a shame if some type of misfortune were to fall upon these individuals."

I will temper that by saying that without any specific threats, I don't think you can call posting the info anything more than a call to harass the people. I don't buy the "a reasonable person would have known someone would have used that info to murder them" argument.

[sfzombie13 324]

according to one of my "hoodrat" friends, most of the outrage felt by the black community is from the complete lack of repercussions. liek he told me, they didn't have to convict him, just put it to a trial. one where we could have reporters to cover what was done, instead of this total secrecy. i agree wholeheartedly with this. i am tired of government secrecy.

also, he said that there should be some sort of counselling and a period of time off the streets, like say a month or two. not suspended without pay, just a desk job. this would at least placate the "hoodrats", and would go a long way toward solving the problem.

your idea of continuing education is also a great one. all police officers should be taught aikido, and nothing else. none of this judo, tae kwon do or any other martial art. aikido is a way to disable or restrain your opponent without harm or injury to yourself. wtf is wrong with that? it should be the goal, not a side effect. i like the fact that there are those willing to put their lives on the line for my safety, hell, i did a couple of times. what i do not like is when authority gets abused, or innocents (until the trial is over, they are all innocent) are killed by those weilding such power. we seem to be migrating away from the presumption of innocence. this is a terrible miscarriage of justice.

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[bigbearfng 18]

jakee

*** That's what they were trained to do.

If that's how they were trained to do it then their training was not in accordance with NYPD policy, which will probably have implications for the lawsuit.

As I read the responses similar I'm afraid I can't help but say something......
It's the "best laid plans"
Of course I wasn't there/involved/don't know details of their training so I also can't say for sure.......
Just throwing out a personal example-
Dirtbag takes a swing at another dep. I was just approaching-perfect position, run in lock up his arm with a control hold as trained and take him down for cuffing with no injuries.
Only problem was in the dark-winter and he standing on a sheet of ice next to the road. So we both went flyin with him on bottom. So he gets pretty scraped up. Again it was all textbook perfect...... except for the ice.......
It just seems like reality is never textbook perfect.

As for after Garner's cuffed, they do roll him on his side and leave his legs free-SOP for training now a days. This after more than one very obese person has died after cuffing and being put on their stomach or if kicking they had their feet "hogtied" to the cuffs behind their back. This simply due to their obesity physically affecting their ability to breath in some positions. So either sit them up or roll them on their side and leave their legs free.
Only criticism I can see as valid is Billy's-once it was obvious he stopped breathing even though placed on his side call for/render medical aid immediately.
Side note-does anyone know if NYPD issues/carries pocket masks to patrol officers?
If not I don't believe anyone wouldn't hesitate about giving mouth to mouth.......

As for what Garner's daughter did-just another dirtbag.....

[Anvilbrother 0]

You perfectly described the recovery position. You are also correct about not giving mouth to mouth without any type of barrier device.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recovery_position

Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along,

[FastRon 0]

Really?
"all police officers should be taught aikido, and nothing else. none of this judo, tae kwon do or any other martial art. aikido is a way to disable or restrain your opponent without harm or injury to yourself."

OK- How long does it take to become really proficient at Aikido? Is Aikido the art that appears to be winning the UFC competitions these days? I hadn't noticed that. I notice Gracie style jujitsu seems kind of effective- you know- joint locks and choke submission techniques...

FWIW- Try this- Take your average NFL defensive lineman- who has maybe assaulted his wife, and says he is not going to be arrested- step in there with your Aikido and make it happen! Welcome to the ICU, hope you make a full recovery in a couple months. FYI- I have trained in Aikido and several other martial arts, and have found that in actual unarmed combat they are usually ineffective against determined, often impaired subjects of pretty much any stature. Oh and there is no such 'magic bullet' like the Taser or pepper spray that works 100% of the time- even the newest versions are failing with regularity.
BTW- Just how often do you want YOUR officers losing fights?

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sfzombie13

according to one of my "hoodrat" friends, most of the outrage felt by the black community is from the complete lack of repercussions. liek he told me, they didn't have to convict him, just put it to a trial. one where we could have reporters to cover what was done, instead of this total secrecy. i agree wholeheartedly with this. i am tired of government secrecy.

also, he said that there should be some sort of counselling and a period of time off the streets, like say a month or two. not suspended without pay, just a desk job. this would at least placate the "hoodrats", and would go a long way toward solving the problem.

your idea of continuing education is also a great one. all police officers should be taught aikido, and nothing else. none of this judo, tae kwon do or any other martial art. aikido is a way to disable or restrain your opponent without harm or injury to yourself. wtf is wrong with that? it should be the goal, not a side effect. i like the fact that there are those willing to put their lives on the line for my safety, hell, i did a couple of times. what i do not like is when authority gets abused, or innocents (until the trial is over, they are all innocent) are killed by those weilding such power. we seem to be migrating away from the presumption of innocence. this is a terrible miscarriage of justice.

There is a large number of LEO's in the united states. Surely a percentage of them are bad. But lets not lump all of them in the same boat.

[wmw999 2,537]

But they all dress alike. Isn't that how one lumps minorities together?

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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wmw999

But they all dress alike. Isn't that how one lumps minorities together?

Wendy P.

I see what you did there, are you saying you have never and will never profile anyone?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[wmw999 2,537]

I really, really, try not to. I'm not perfect, no one is. But I've hitchiked in the third ward in Houston, enjoyed Paris, asked for directions in any number of places. Served me well.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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wmw999

I really, really, try not to. I'm not perfect, no one is. But I've hitchiked in the third ward in Houston, enjoyed Paris, asked for directions in any number of places. Served me well.

Wendy P.

I believe everyone does to some degree, regardless of those that try to claim they are holier than thou.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[wmw999 2,537]

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claim they are holier than thou

Did I claim to be perfect? I really don't remember that. I just don't consider profiling people when I have time to consider them as a good thing. I think it's a bad thing.

I also eat when I shouldn't, speed sometimes, and do other things wrong. I think it goes with being human. I've even taken out a star or two
Do you always profile? If so, do you think that's a good thing?

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[champu 1]

wmw999

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claim they are holier than thou

Did I claim to be perfect? I really don't remember that. I just don't consider profiling people when I have time to consider them as a good thing. I think it's a bad thing.

I also eat when I shouldn't, speed sometimes, and do other things wrong. I think it goes with being human. I've even taken out a star or two
Do you always profile? If so, do you think that's a good thing?

Wendy P.

Over these last few threads I've been thinking about a way to describe the kinda personality/action/appearance that can get my alarm bells going off about a person where I decide I don't like them or that I'd like to avoid them. I'll describe it imperfectly as "trying too hard to be cool or to impress friends/colleagues and/or members of the opposite sex" coupled with "taking oneself too seriously and not having a sense of humor." It's a feeling that people who act this way are going to screw me over or cause me harm in some way.

This manifests as personality/action/appearance in a number of different ways based on a variety of things including but not limited to environment, socioeconomic status, culture, and religion. Race is probably mutually correlated in there with some of those other factors and I think if people share this kind of dislike but don't really explore it very well, you end up with people trying to describe it using words like "thug" and the conversation goes downhill from there.

A more productive exercise, I think, is for people who "profile thugs" to ask themselves, "What is it really about said thugs that they're worried about?"

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wmw999

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claim they are holier than thou

Did I claim to be perfect? I really don't remember that. I just don't consider profiling people when I have time to consider them as a good thing. I think it's a bad thing.

I also eat when I shouldn't, speed sometimes, and do other things wrong. I think it goes with being human. I've even taken out a star or two
Do you always profile? If so, do you think that's a good thing?

Wendy P.

I was agreeing with you, my dear Wendy.
I believe all people, some more than others, profile. It is human nature. It is a defence mechanism or instinct. It goes hand in hand with jumping at shadows sometimes and seeing faces in objects that have none.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun