Anvilbrother 0 #26 January 5, 2015 Just like the paranoid feeling going around here about all the cops shooting everyone you know around you as the world burns, please show me all the people the government is blackmailing from phone calls, all the people being arrested because some word scanner caught something in a email. Show me all your friends in jail because of a wiretap caught you saying you were speeding on the interstate. Its all at this point useless to be freaking about like everyone here is doing. Watch it, monitor it, and at the point you see it getting out of hand then do something. The single post by Kallend has everyone stirred up to the point I wouldn't be surprised that one of you is digging a bunker in your back yard as i type this. Listen to yourselves, it looks like an episode of doomsday preppers! Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #27 January 5, 2015 Quote If you've got nothing to hide, go ahead and post your login details for all of your social media accounts, your email accounts, your banks, and so forth. If it were not for the fact that I know you cheeky fuckers would fill my FB with dick pics, email dick pics to my boss, and drain my account at your nearest DZ booze outlet I would Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,998 #28 January 5, 2015 >What part of the constitution is gunshot detectors, and traffic cameras breaking? Fourth Amendment, depending on how they are used. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #29 January 5, 2015 In what ways would they have to use it to violate that bill? Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,998 #30 January 5, 2015 >In what ways would they have to use it to violate that bill? Use gunshot detectors to profile and track people using guns legally. Use traffic cameras to track people's whereabouts, so that (for example) they could find out who is going to topless bars. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 801 #31 January 5, 2015 I'm reminded of a web cam in LA that people would call the cops for "witnessing" drug deals..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #32 January 5, 2015 How is that any different that any person on the street taking pictures of where you go from a park bench, or with a dash cam following you in traffic? Fourth Amendment right requires two conditions, first, an actual expectation of privacy and second that the expectation is one that society as a whole recognizes as legitimate. You really think that driving down a public road and turning into a topless bar parking lot while driving your car with a visible license plate is an expectation of privacy? Gathering that info is legal. Blackmail, Extortion, etc is already illegal, so lets take care of those situations when it happens. Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 801 #33 January 5, 2015 In one of my daughter's case, it became cop harassment. Her boyfriend used to live in a poor section of town, with a few dealers on the street. After seeing her car on the video repeatedly, they started to pull her over and question why she was there CONSTANTLY, where are you going, a girl like you shouldn't be here, I KNOW you have drugs in the car, we saw you make a transaction, blah, de fucking blah. I'm proud of that girl. She didn't take that shit. She took it right to them and everyone in authority to stop the harassment. Dumb ass cop was reassigned, fired a few months later. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #34 January 5, 2015 Quotethe video What video, permanent street cameras, dash cameras, cameras by detectives in a sting operation? Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 801 #35 January 5, 2015 Utility pole mounted cameras the cops had installed to keep an eye on the drug trade industry of this little neighborhood. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
base698 15 #36 January 5, 2015 http://chronicle.com/article/Why-Privacy-Matters-Even-if/127461/ QuoteWhat if the government mistakenly determines that based on your pattern of activities, you're likely to engage in a criminal act? What if it denies you the right to fly? What if the government thinks your financial transactions look odd—even if you've done nothing wrong—and freezes your accounts? What if the government doesn't protect your information with adequate security, and an identity thief obtains it and uses it to defraud you? Even if you have nothing to hide, the government can cause you a lot of harm. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 801 #37 January 5, 2015 I had my passport blocked while I was paying child support. I was current. She was and still is crazy. Took me 9 months to sort that out. I'm somewhat concerned as I start the renewal process. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
champu 1 #38 January 5, 2015 AnvilbrotherJust like the paranoid feeling going around here about all the cops shooting everyone you know around you as the world burns, please show me all the people the government is blackmailing from phone calls, all the people being arrested because some word scanner caught something in a email. Show me all your friends in jail because of a wiretap caught you saying you were speeding on the interstate. Its all at this point useless to be freaking about like everyone here is doing. Watch it, monitor it, and at the point you see it getting out of hand then do something. The single post by Kallend has everyone stirred up to the point I wouldn't be surprised that one of you is digging a bunker in your back yard as i type this. Listen to yourselves, it looks like an episode of doomsday preppers! My point is that by the time you "see it getting out of hand" then you've already violated people's rights. By saying "if you've done nothing wrong..." you're really just saying, "Don't worry, I'm sure I'll be fine..." Also, See my post #19. It's completely healthy to be skeptical of any new tool that gives police probable cause to detain you or to search you or your things. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
D22369 0 #39 January 5, 2015 QuoteIn what ways would they have to use it to violate that bill? Use gunshot detectors to profile and track people using guns legally. Im not seeing your point here, its a passive detector and does nothing till it detects a gunshot - there are no legitimate uses of a firearm in the city other than defensive. If I use my firearm I will want help there just as fast as they can get there... RoyThey say I suffer from insanity.... But I actually enjoy it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,998 #40 January 5, 2015 >How is that any different that any person on the street taking pictures of where you >go from a park bench, or with a dash cam following you in traffic? Because if the government does either one of those things it needs a warrant. With ubiquitous surveillance, it does not. They can record continuously, go fishing and decide later if they want to get a warrant. (That's if they want to make it into a court case - they might just decide to do a little snooping outside the normal channels.) In other words, there's a difference between sending a cop to tail you and just deciding to find out where a potential political opponent spends his dollar bills. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #41 January 5, 2015 QuoteBecause if the government does either one of those things it needs a warrant. I think you need to recheck that. Cops do not need a warrant to take your picture or video you out in public. Hell a cop can dig through your trash can once its at the road if he wants to. Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,998 #42 January 5, 2015 >there are no legitimate uses of a firearm in the city other than defensive. Other than, say, outdoor ranges? I am not saying "outlaw detectors." But such technology has a very high risk of being misused, and we are better off considering such misuse now than after it has happened. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,998 #43 January 5, 2015 > Cops do not need a warrant to take your picture or video you out in public. I believe they need a warrant to tail you and record your movements. I could be wrong. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #44 January 5, 2015 They need a warrant to place a birddog (gps), but its perfectly legal to follow you around with a dash cam, and take pictures of you while in public venues. Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #45 January 5, 2015 Reference only and for the thread as a whole. Not directed at anyone in particular; simply easiest to reply to last posting. https://www.aclu.org/blog/technology-and-liberty-national-security/victory-federal-appeals-court-rules-warrant-required http://www.aclu.org/files/kyr/kyr_english_3.pdf https://www.aclu.org/how-government-tracking-your-movementsquade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
D22369 0 #46 January 6, 2015 QuoteOther than, say, outdoor ranges? oh ok, will give you that, so far I haven't run into a outdoor range in the city limits, I assumed we were speaking on in the city area's - heh, but if they put one close to it the cops would be very busy and the shooters would get to know their local law enforcement intimately I am sure. RoyThey say I suffer from insanity.... But I actually enjoy it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #47 January 6, 2015 Not saying it was you, but your a likely suspect given your multiple requests to prove ive not committed a crime, but if it was you, please post the results that were found when you searched my full name at www.opencourtrecords.org. If it wasn't you, I challenge the person who did it to post what they found. Good to know the protection services I pay for are working, and sending me alerts. I must admit its the first time its notified me that someone tried to check my criminal history online. or it must have just been AMAZING timing right....not...Its pretty creepy of one of you for sure. Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #48 January 6, 2015 https://opencourtrecords.org/search.php?name=Anvil+Brother&state=&P=0 You're clear. For now. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #49 January 6, 2015 Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grue 1 #50 January 6, 2015 Anvilbrother Not saying it was you, but your a likely suspect given your multiple requests to prove ive not committed a crime, but if it was you, please post the results that were found when you searched my full name at www.opencourtrecords.org. If it wasn't you, I challenge the person who did it to post what they found. Good to know the protection services I pay for are working, and sending me alerts. I must admit its the first time its notified me that someone tried to check my criminal history online. or it must have just been AMAZING timing right....not...Its pretty creepy of one of you for sure. I have so, so many better things to do. I'm a cynic, and a bit of an asshole, but I'm not a complete cunt edit: Also, that'd be a pretty pointless thing for me to do actually since it'd be at odds with one of the things that drives me crazy: a criminal record check only proves that a person was CONVICTED of a crime AND had it placed on their record, it's not proof they've never committed one. My whole point in the thread thus far is that given the complexity of the insane overregulation in our society, the only way you can be sure you haven't committed a crime is to actually read every single law on the books, which might not be technically impossible, but I very much doubt it's happened in our lives.cavete terrae. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
