A tax system tilted toward the rich

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The biggest waste of the past 13 years has been two wars, off budget, neither of which achieved their strategic objectives, and which between them cost $TRILLIONS and thousands of lives. When the indirect costs are added in, Bush's wars amount to over 20% of the national debt.

We might as well have burned the money for all the good it did.

You know John your right...and I'm SURE you can come up with a perfectly sound reason why we are GOING BACK to Iraq with Obama. Bush sucked I get it, but why are we going back - and just look at the troop numbers and you'll have a hard time denying (but you will) that we are going back.

I don't get it. Bush fucked up going, Obama got us out - but now we are going back.

Odd.

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You know John your right...and I'm SURE you can come up with a perfectly sound reason why we are GOING BACK to Iraq with Obama.

Because Bush's fuck up gave rise to ISIS.

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Because Bush's fuck up gave rise to ISIS.

Horse shit, you can't have it both ways. If Obama had cared to leave a force behind it could have been negotiated, he had no desire to - which I agreed with but why in the hell go back? ISIS wasn't a BUSH situation totally......you could make an argument that Obama could have taken steps to stop them much earlier.

Obama keep us OUT of Iraq.

Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little

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mirage62

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Because Bush's fuck up gave rise to ISIS.

Horse shit, you can't have it both ways. If Obama had cared to leave a force behind it could have been negotiated, he had no desire to - which I agreed with but why in the hell go back? ISIS wasn't a BUSH situation totally......you could make an argument that Obama could have taken steps to stop them much earlier.

Of course it was Bush's fuck-up. Unfucking is difficult to do.

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Obama keep us OUT of Iraq.

Yep!

70 years of interference in the Middle East has been mostly unproductive and very expensive.

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kallend

70 years of interference in the Middle East has been mostly unproductive and very expensive.

Exactly. We should GTFO and stay out. Not just militarily, but all aspects of influence on the region.

Change the years and the same thing can be said for government "interference" in
Poverty
Drugs
The economy
Etc.

Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
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SkyDekker

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You know John your right...and I'm SURE you can come up with a perfectly sound reason why we are GOING BACK to Iraq with Obama.

Because Bush's fuck up gave rise to ISIS.

Bush is responsible for ISIS .. . and what next . . . Kennedy is responsible for Cuba having Missiles?

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[billvon 2,990]

>>Because Bush's fuck up gave rise to ISIS.

>Bush is responsible for ISIS.

No. Refer to earlier post.

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billvon

>>Because Bush's fuck up gave rise to ISIS.

>Bush is responsible for ISIS.

No. Refer to earlier post.

You both think that Bush is responsible for ISIS existing.

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[mirage62 0]

Way off thread... and I'll stop but basically who broke it (Bush) doesn't mean we KEEP breaking it. (Obama) We need out of the middle east. I am not an isolationist, but we need to let many parts of the world decide which direction they want to go. Support the ones that go in a direction we like, while allowing others to go in another direction. I understand history and know this can be dangerous. We need a STRONG intelligence community, and military ability.

And we desperately need to stop blaming X (here generally Bush) while ignoring Y (generally Obama).... but there's a better chance in believing in Santa Claus than THAT happening.

Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little

[billvon 2,990]

>You both think that Bush is responsible for ISIS existing.

Again, no You are arguing with yourself.

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billvon

>You both think that Bush is responsible for ISIS existing.

Again, no You are arguing with yourself.

Actually it is Skydekker, but you know that.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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[DanG 1]

Does getting out of the Middle East include ceasing aid and support to Israel?

- Dan G

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Love it, I wish the thread title would automatically change with the topic. A tax system tilted toward the rich----Its all Bush's fault.

Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along,

[mirage62 0]

No Dan it wouldn't. (IMO) While I don't support everything Isreal does - nor do I support ALL America does and neither do you - I support Isreal as a democracy. Certainly a democracy in the Middle East is a positive.

Kevin Keenan is my hero, a double FUP, he does so much with so little

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mirage62

No Dan it wouldn't. (IMO) While I don't support everything Isreal does - nor do I support ALL America does and neither do you - I support Isreal as a democracy. Certainly a democracy in the Middle East is a positive.

Considering the biggest reason we do so is for influence and control of them, yes they should be included in the withdrawal. They're more than able to take care of themselves and the area without our interference.

Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
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Back to the topic. Define "rich".

Please don't dent the planet.

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No Dan it wouldn't. (IMO) While I don't support everything Isreal does - nor do I support ALL America does and neither do you - I support Isreal as a democracy. Certainly a democracy in the Middle East is a positive.

Then we can expect to continue to be embroiled in the region's troubles.

- Dan G

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mirage62

No Dan it wouldn't. (IMO) While I don't support everything Isreal does - nor do I support ALL America does and neither do you - I support Isreal as a democracy. Certainly a democracy in the Middle East is a positive.

Not really.

When the Palastinians democratically elected Hezbollah, the US shunned them.
The Egyptians democratically elected a religious hardline group (Muslim Brotherhood) and got shunned for it.

When the majority of the people elect a group that decides to persecute the minority, or a group that is dedicated to the destruction of their neighbor, then it's still a democracy.

We seem to forget that protecting the rights of the minority, ensuring basic civil rights, and guaranteeing individual freedoms does not automatically accompany "democracy."

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[billvon 2,990]

>Anyone with more assets than the person making the comparison.

Exactly. Someone making $51,000 a year (about the median in the US) is going to consider someone who makes $100,000 a year rich. The person making $100,000 a year (and struggling to pay for a mortgage, college funds, the pediatrician, etc) is going to laugh at that, and look at someone making $220,000 a year as rich. Etc. All of the above are almost unimaginably wealthy compared to someone in sub-Saharan Africa.

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billvon

>Anyone with more assets than the person making the comparison.

Exactly. Someone making $51,000 a year (about the median in the US) is going to consider someone who makes $100,000 a year rich. The person making $100,000 a year (and struggling to pay for a mortgage, college funds, the pediatrician, etc) is going to laugh at that, and look at someone making $220,000 a year as rich. Etc. All of the above are almost unimaginably wealthy compared to someone in sub-Saharan Africa.

How is that you feel that you have the right to speak for me?

Your supposition is not all inclusive.

How would you know what other people consider rich.

Its sad that you have such a limited view of what rich is.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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[billvon 2,990]

>How would you know what other people consider rich.

By reading thousands of posts by people making a wide range of incomes and not considering themselves rich.

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billvon

>How would you know what other people consider rich.

By reading thousands of posts by people making a wide range of incomes and not considering themselves rich.

even if I made 3 million a year, I wouldn't consider myself rich.

It takes a LOT more than that to make a person rich.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[billvon 2,990]

>How is that you feel that you have the right to speak for me?
>Your supposition is not all inclusive.
>How would you know what other people consider rich.
>Its sad that you have such a limited view of what rich is.

Followed two posts later by:

>even if I made 3 million a year, I wouldn't consider myself rich.
>It takes a LOT more than that to make a person rich.

Thank you.

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turtlespeed

even if I made 3 million a year, I wouldn't consider myself rich.

It takes a LOT more than that to make a person rich.

well, at least you saved everyone the effort of debate. When someone tries to claim that earning 35% more in one year than the average household makes in their lifetime - that this doesn't qualified as rich - there's really no need to respond.

It might be arguable if your opportunity to earn this is severely limited - to a single year. Maybe two years. The average NFL player has a 3 year career before it ends, usually to injuries. Their initial 3 year contract is set by their draft level and might be $3M over those 3 years. If they survive to get their first free agent contract, then they make bank.