Shooting in Paris

[rushmc 23]

Anvilbrother

Thats right, i'm the asshole that said it. You direct a bunch of inflammatory messages to a crazy bunch of wacko terrorists, then talk shit about how you dont care if they come kill you, then taunt them again about how they have not done it yet, and make a cartoon that says you hope it will happen as a new years resolution and they just might come do it.

All of those things happened, if anyone here fails to see a connection then fine. Some of us do.

Look. I understand your position. I just dont agree with you. In fact, I think looking at it the way you do gives the murders a bit of a pass.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Anvilbrother 0]

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In fact, I think looking at it the way you do gives the murders a bit of a pass.

Thanks for your reply, and to clarify if I have not completely made it clear. The terrorists that murdered them are complete wack jobs, and were wrong for doing it. Murder outside a judicial punishment decision is NEVER ok in my book.

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[HighJB 0]

ryoder

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Can someone translate that bubble?
Google translate gives:

Sexual slaves boko haram angry.
Touch it to our allocs

Allocs stands for "allocation familiales", which is what you get from the welfare state to help families.
I guess they mixed two subjects that were on the headlines at that time.
Without the context it's hard to understand the point. Be sure they were not blaming the victims.

ça passe ou ça frotte

[BartsDaddy 7]

So still blaming the victim. Just like rape case's. She was wearing a short skirt. She was asking for it. She was told before to ware pants. But she didn't listen. So she got what was coming to her.
Really. The victim is not the one to blame.

Handguns are only used to fight your way to a good rifle

[Andy9o8 2]

Andy9o8

***Worried that Charlie Hebdo might run out of material, religious institutions rush to provide more:

Saudi Islamic cleric: http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/01/12/us-odd-saudi-snow-idUSKBN0KL15N20150112


Ultra-Orthodox Jewish Newspaper: http://www.mediaite.com/online/ultra-orthodox-jewish-newspaper-edits-female-world-leaders-out-of-charlie-hebdo-march/

Christian pastor: http://www.care2.com/causes/4-awful-things-pastor-mark-driscoll-has-said-besides-calling-women-penis-homes.html (yes, yes, I know: that was so 3 months ago...)

Yet another Christian pastor: http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/02/britain-pastor-tells-women-to-be-silent-and-submit-to-their-husbands/ (Another reliable timeless standard)

Not to be outdone by organized religion, there's also the Russians: http://www.care2.com/causes/russia-bans-transgender-drivers.html

Ooh, look! There's more!

Church canceled lesbian woman's funeral

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Dozens gathered outside a Colorado church to protest Tuesday after a bereaved family said the pastor stopped a woman's funeral when he found out she was a lesbian.

[Anvilbrother 0]

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So still blaming the victim. Just like rape case's. She was wearing a short skirt. She was asking for it. She was told before to ware pants. But she didn't listen. So she got what was coming to her.
Really. The victim is not the one to blame.

Your rape victim example is just stupid and insensitive. I never said all of the blame was on CH, the terrorists are the ones responsible for the murder CH is responsible for knowingly inciting the murderers, which ended up killing them.

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[normiss 798]

Which is EXACTLY what the rape comparison says.

[Anvilbrother 0]

No. Once again your trying to compare something that is simply innocently existing on this earth, and something that is actively being incteful towards another. Its two different arguments. One person in a bar sitting quietly minding their own business, and the other standing on the table yelling racist remarks, which one gets punched first, and which one deserves it.

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[normiss 798]

I'm not trying to do anything.
I'm reading two different examples stating the exact same biased perspective.

[Anvilbrother 0]

Lets just agree to disagree and move on.

How did the terrorist get the weapons into france?

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[champu 1]

Anvilbrother

Lets just agree to disagree and move on.

No, I think there's still something interesting in there...

The information age has made people's voices louder such that they can be heard nearly around the world... but you still have to type the address into the address bar and/or click the link yourself. The idea of anything accessed via the internet being described as "in your face" or compared to a loud mouth standing on a table at a bar is peculiar. I know Charlie Hebdo is a print rag, which I suppose makes it a bit more in your face if it's all over newsstands, but I don't think you can really dispute who took it to who.

[jakee 1,489]

Anvilbrother

No. Once again your trying to compare something that is simply innocently existing on this earth, and something that is actively being incteful towards another.

Again, you're distorting reality so you can ignore the parallels. People don't walk out of their house with their clothes chosen and put on for them. Some women choose intentionally revealing and provocative clothing in order to provoke feelings of admiration, desire and lust when others look at them. Some women flirt and tease outrageously, whether for fun, power or free drinks. So when they get assaulted, that's what they were asking for, right?

Lots of people out there can see the parallel in blaming rape victims and blaming Charlie Hebdo but you keep arguing in the face of logic. You were happy to throw around accusations of trolling earlier in the thread, maybe it's now time to look in the mirror.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[ryoder 1,590]

HighJB

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http://qph.is.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-ddd3904e07d024cc09ecc4d76145f73d?convert_to_webp=true

Can someone translate that bubble?
Google translate gives:

Sexual slaves boko haram angry.
Touch it to our allocs

Allocs stands for "allocation familiales", which is what you get from the welfare state to help families.
I guess they mixed two subjects that were on the headlines at that time.
Without the context it's hard to understand the point. Be sure they were not blaming the victims.

Thanks!

I see the new issue is available online here, but in French of course: http://www.scribd.com/doc/252607212/Charlie-Hebdo-1178-January-14-2015

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[Anvilbrother 0]

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Lots of people out there can see the parallel in blaming rape victims and blaming Charlie Hebdo but you keep arguing in the face of logic. You were happy to throw around accusations of trolling earlier in the thread, maybe it's now time to look in the mirror.

If I was trolling Jake I would have stated they deserved to die, the terrorist attacks are good ETC. Thats being a troll. I NEVER stated any of those things.

Stating your feeling on a topic as long as they are honest is expressing your opinion. Not everyone is going to agree, thats what makes us humans, not robots.

I simply believe that if they had not continued down the path of consciously making those bigoted inciteful cartoons aimed at Islam after receiving verified death threats, and firebombing they would be alive today. Which means to me they were fractionally responsible for their own demise. I see no correlation to clothes a woman wears and rape. To bring that argument up is completely insensitive to women, and stupid.

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[jakee 1,489]

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If I was trolling Jake I would have stated they deserved to die, the terrorist attacks are good ETC. Thats being a troll. I NEVER stated any of those things.

Stating your feeling on a topic as long as they are honest is expressing your opinion. Not everyone is going to agree, thats what makes us humans, not robots.

So what's changed since earlier in the thread? Three pages ago your definition of troll was 'person who doesn't agree with me'.

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I see no correlation to clothes a woman wears and rape.

Because you choose not to. But, as has been pointed out several times, by several people, it is the same argument.

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To bring that argument up is completely insensitive to women, and stupid.

So you think that victim blaming is insensitive and stupid. Well guess what everyone else in this thread is seeing...

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[normiss 798]

You're saying that CH wore rape clothes and deserved the rape while trying to claim that using that exact argument is foolish to use in a rape case.
OK.
Got it.

[Anvilbrother 0]

Not even going to read your reply. 8 pages later we don't agree, so let's agree to disagree. The title of this forum is Speakers Corner, not let's aruge forever until we all agree the same thing. I had my discussion with you and norm, and others and we have shown our opinions and disagree. Nothing will change on that front so move on. How do you think the guns got into France?

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[Anvilbrother 0]

How did the guns get into France norm?

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[normiss 798]

No clue an.

[Anvilbrother 0]

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You're saying that CH wore rape clothes and deserved the rape while trying to claim that using that exact argument is foolish to use in a rape case.

I have to address this because that is putting words into my mouth that was never said. I never stated any comparison to rape that's YOUR argument. I also never stated ANYONE deserved anything thats you mischaracterizing my statements. Even specifically stated they DIDDN'T deserve to die.

Active vs Passive

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[Anvilbrother 0]

They were bought from an arms dealer in Brussels.
http://www.ibtimes.com/belgian-arms-dealer-supplied-paris-gunmen-weapons-assault-rifles-used-charlie-hebdo-1783432

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A Belgian arms dealer was responsible for supplying most of the weapons used by the gunmen who perpetrated the attacks on Paris last week that resulted in the killing of 17 people. Belgian media reported that the dealer, who is a known figure in Brussels’ underworld, turned himself in to authorities on Tuesday, according to Haaretz.

Which goes to show banning a certain type of any weapon will not stop those who choose to do harm from obtaining them for their murders as I have stated before.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2015-01-07/paris-killings-show-rise-of-banned-weapons-of-war-in-france.html

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The masked, black-clad killers whose Paris attack on the offices of Charlie Hebdo today took 12 lives were carrying Kalashnikov AK-47 assault rifles. The scary thing in France, where gun-control laws are far stricter than in the U.S., is that their weapons choice wasn’t surprising.

Semi-automatic and automatic firearms are banned, but that hasn’t stopped drug dealers and terrorists from acquiring them in increasing numbers, according to the National Observatory for Delinquency, a state body created in 2003 by then-Interior Minister and later President Nicolas Sarkozy. The numbers of illegal weapons in France have increased by double digits for years, the body says.

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[normiss 798]

You're not helping yourself to try and defend what you said only to summarize with "Active vs Passive ".


FYI, the rape comparison was never my argument. I'm simply trying to illuminate how your argument is exactly the same. Because it is.

[jakee 1,489]

Anvilbrother

Not even going to read your reply. 8 pages later we don't agree, so let's agree to disagree.

We can agree that we disagree because you hold several contradictory opinions and yet refuse to critically evaluate your own argument. We can agree on the hypocrisy you've displayed by claiming that people who disagree with you must be trolling but when you disagree with them it's because you have an honest opinion. We can agree that the reason you've suddenly decided to move on is because you're starting to realise that you're on the wrong track but don't want to admit it.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[Anvilbrother 0]

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We can agree that the reason you've suddenly decided to move on is because you're starting to realise that you're on the wrong track but don't want to admit it.

Nope still have the same opinion just repeating the same thing to you over and over again and expecting the outcome to change is the definition of.....?

How about those guns that were illegally bought and used in an area with a gun ban.

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[jakee 1,489]

Anvilbrother

Nope still have the same opinion just repeating the same thing to you over and over again and expecting the outcome to change is the definition of.....?

Exactly. No matter how many times the parallels of your argument are explained to you, you keep repeating the same blanket denial without ever addressing the point that is being made.

It's not so much insane as it is the action of a child sticking fingers in its ears and shouting 'Lalala, I can't hear you'.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?