normiss 801 #1 January 22, 2015 What's in your home? Really? It's like X-ray vision! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
champu 1 #2 January 22, 2015 Sounds like a useful tool... but police can get a search warrant or they can cram it. Given the past rulings on thermal imaging and drug dogs used on homes I don't see the use of these things holding up. It's sad we have to play Green eggs and Ham with the courts though to explain to them each and every way they're not to search homes without a warrant. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 34 #3 January 22, 2015 champuSounds like a useful tool... but police can get a search warrant or they can cram it. Given the past rulings on thermal imaging and drug dogs used on homes I don't see the use of these things holding up. It's sad we have to play Green eggs and Ham with the courts though to explain to them each and every way they're not to search homes without a warrant. I would be all for using it only if there is a suspect barricaded inside a house with or without a hostage situation and police have it surrounded with an active stand-off. It then becomes a tactical tool for a precision strike."Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grue 1 #4 January 22, 2015 BillyVance***Sounds like a useful tool... but police can get a search warrant or they can cram it. Given the past rulings on thermal imaging and drug dogs used on homes I don't see the use of these things holding up. It's sad we have to play Green eggs and Ham with the courts though to explain to them each and every way they're not to search homes without a warrant. I would be all for using it only if there is a suspect barricaded inside a house with or without a hostage situation and police have it surrounded with an active stand-off. It then becomes a tactical tool for a precision strike. Otherwise known as "one of the few times a SWAT team should actually be deployed".cavete terrae. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 34 #5 January 22, 2015 grue ******Sounds like a useful tool... but police can get a search warrant or they can cram it. Given the past rulings on thermal imaging and drug dogs used on homes I don't see the use of these things holding up. It's sad we have to play Green eggs and Ham with the courts though to explain to them each and every way they're not to search homes without a warrant. I would be all for using it only if there is a suspect barricaded inside a house with or without a hostage situation and police have it surrounded with an active stand-off. It then becomes a tactical tool for a precision strike. Otherwise known as "one of the few times a SWAT team should actually be deployed". Well yeah. That's the general idea. This way they don't storm the entire house and accidentally shoot the wrong people. Or worse, storm the wrong house... "Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grue 1 #6 January 22, 2015 BillyVance *********Sounds like a useful tool... but police can get a search warrant or they can cram it. Given the past rulings on thermal imaging and drug dogs used on homes I don't see the use of these things holding up. It's sad we have to play Green eggs and Ham with the courts though to explain to them each and every way they're not to search homes without a warrant. I would be all for using it only if there is a suspect barricaded inside a house with or without a hostage situation and police have it surrounded with an active stand-off. It then becomes a tactical tool for a precision strike. Otherwise known as "one of the few times a SWAT team should actually be deployed". Well yeah. That's the general idea. This way they don't storm the entire house and accidentally shoot the wrong people. Or worse, storm the wrong house... Would be nice, right? It really irks the shit out of me how the first resort these days is basically "Fuck it, send in SWAT" for almost anything involving an officer needing to go to a home, even of a nonviolent offender. Instead of, you know, knocking on the goddamned door at a reasonable hour because they've done even the most cursory surveillance and they know the guy is home. This way they'd also have some sense of if other people might be in the house that they shouldn't shoot or detonate flashbangs on top of.cavete terrae. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wayneflorida 0 #7 January 22, 2015 If I were a dog and knowing the police had this, I would be scared crapless. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #8 January 22, 2015 Anyone remember "Conspiracy Theory"(1997) in which Mel Gibsons character lined his home with tin foil? Doesn't seem so crazy now.I'm wondering how much metal is needed to stop this. When I worked at the hospital, I learned about the commercial drywall they used in the X-Ray dept which had a layer of lead on the back. "There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #9 January 22, 2015 champuSounds like a useful tool... but police can get a search warrant or they can cram it. Given the past rulings on thermal imaging and drug dogs used on homes I don't see the use of these things holding up. It's sad we have to play Green eggs and Ham with the courts though to explain to them each and every way they're not to search homes without a warrant. To me it reflects the Us vs Them mentality and the militarization of law enforcement. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TriGirl 319 #10 January 22, 2015 BillyVance***Sounds like a useful tool... but police can get a search warrant or they can cram it. Given the past rulings on thermal imaging and drug dogs used on homes I don't see the use of these things holding up. It's sad we have to play Green eggs and Ham with the courts though to explain to them each and every way they're not to search homes without a warrant. I would be all for using it only if there is a suspect barricaded inside a house with or without a hostage situation and police have it surrounded with an active stand-off. It then becomes a tactical tool for a precision strike. And in which case they would already have a warrant anyway. I agree -- useful tool when you have a warrant. Other situations are violations, and should be handled with appropriate consequences.See the upside, and always wear your parachute! -- Christopher Titus Shut Up & Jump! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #11 January 22, 2015 TriGirl******Sounds like a useful tool... but police can get a search warrant or they can cram it. Given the past rulings on thermal imaging and drug dogs used on homes I don't see the use of these things holding up. It's sad we have to play Green eggs and Ham with the courts though to explain to them each and every way they're not to search homes without a warrant. I would be all for using it only if there is a suspect barricaded inside a house with or without a hostage situation and police have it surrounded with an active stand-off. It then becomes a tactical tool for a precision strike. And in which case they would already have a warrant anyway. I agree -- useful tool when you have a warrant. Other situations are violations, and should be handled with appropriate consequences. A time-urgent tactical situation like Billy's examples probably wouldn't allow for time to get a warrant. I'd also think most judges would probably rule (after-the-fact) that the immediate exigencies at the scene obviated the need for a warrant. That argument would probably resonate well with a lot of appellate-level judges, too. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,995 #12 January 22, 2015 > I agree -- useful tool when you have a warrant. Problem is that they DID have a warrant - for his arrest. So they used it to look in a house for him. Not much distance from that to "and check neighboring houses just in case." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skycop 0 #13 January 22, 2015 The same was said when the FLIR first came into use, the courts will set limits as to it's use. The exigent circumstance MAY apply in certain situations. may not in others. "Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Kadde 0 #14 January 23, 2015 ryoder Anyone remember "Conspiracy Theory"(1997) in which Mel Gibsons character lined his home with tin foil? Doesn't seem so crazy now.I'm wondering how much metal is needed to stop this. When I worked at the hospital, I learned about the commercial drywall they used in the X-Ray dept which had a layer of lead on the back. Also reminds me of this picture of one of the piratebay founders when he wanted to shut out wireless network signals. http://i.imgur.com/kdNOe5u.jpg (No, its not Shaggy from Scooby Doo ) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 221 #15 January 23, 2015 Kadde ***Anyone remember "Conspiracy Theory"(1997) in which Mel Gibsons character lined his home with tin foil? Doesn't seem so crazy now.I'm wondering how much metal is needed to stop this. When I worked at the hospital, I learned about the commercial drywall they used in the X-Ray dept which had a layer of lead on the back. Also reminds me of this picture of one of the piratebay founders when he wanted to shut out wireless network signals. http://i.imgur.com/kdNOe5u.jpg (No, its not Shaggy from Scooby Doo ) An energized faraday cage should do it, if you oscillate the frequency, using a flux capacitor.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grue 1 #16 January 23, 2015 skycopThe same was said when the FLIR first came into use, the courts will set limits as to it's use. Just like stingrays. Oh wait.cavete terrae. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #17 January 23, 2015 turtlespeed An energized faraday cage should do it, if you oscillate the frequency, using a flux capacitor. A faraday cage is a passive device, silly reptile."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 221 #18 January 23, 2015 ryoder *** An energized faraday cage should do it, if you oscillate the frequency, using a flux capacitor. A faraday cage is a passive device, silly reptile.Not if you give it 1.21 gigawattsI'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #19 January 23, 2015 It also doubles as a time machine. This man gets it! Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 221 #20 January 23, 2015 AnvilbrotherIt also doubles as a time machine. This man gets it! You can't see anything in the house if the inside isn't when you left it.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
champu 1 #21 January 23, 2015 There's a company called Neptco that makes industrial aluminum/polymer laminates if you want something more durable than a survival blanket. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 221 #22 January 23, 2015 champuThere's a company called Neptco that makes industrial aluminum/polymer laminates if you want something more durable than a survival blanket. Most laminate companies offer metal over HP LaminateI'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
champu 1 #23 January 23, 2015 turtlespeed***There's a company called Neptco that makes industrial aluminum/polymer laminates if you want something more durable than a survival blanket. Most laminate companies offer metal over HP Laminate Indeed, they're just one example I'm familiar with in RF shielding applications. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #24 January 23, 2015 ryoder Anyone remember "Conspiracy Theory"(1997) in which Mel Gibsons character lined his home with tin foil? Doesn't seem so crazy now.I'm wondering how much metal is needed to stop this. When I worked at the hospital, I learned about the commercial drywall they used in the X-Ray dept which had a layer of lead on the back. Easy - if you know the wavelength of X-rays they use. The mass absorption factors of all metals are well known.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 221 #25 January 23, 2015 kallend ***Anyone remember "Conspiracy Theory"(1997) in which Mel Gibsons character lined his home with tin foil? Doesn't seem so crazy now.I'm wondering how much metal is needed to stop this. When I worked at the hospital, I learned about the commercial drywall they used in the X-Ray dept which had a layer of lead on the back. Easy - if you know the wavelength of X-rays they use. The mass absorption factors of all metals are well known. 14 gauge steel or 1/32" lead should do it. But they would wonder why you have leaded drywall in your house and do a no knock warrant then.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
