Bakery faces complaint for refusing to write anti-gay message on cake

[billvon 2,998]

>Custom cakes is custom cakes, if you make them you have to make any type
>for anyone per the line of thought in this ruling.

No, it's not. If you ask for a hovering cake they'll probably refuse. Likewise for a swastika cake. If they want to refuse to make rainbow cakes, that's fine too.

Now if they make rainbow cakes for little girls but not for gay men - problem.

[billvon 2,998]

>"No custom shaped cakes." - No problem
>"Custom shaped cakes but no rainbow and/or swastika cakes" - Problem?

Nope. No problem.

[Bolas 5]

jakee

Ok, again, not being able to discriminate against groups of people does not mean having to serve them what they want. It's a separate issue.

Let's say imagine some cafés. One decides not to serve Muslims. That's bad. Another serves Muslims but doesn't have halal food options. That's fine. Another has kosher options but no halal options. That's fine. They don't have to cater to every specialist requirement just because they cater to one.

Ok, so the business can't say "we don't sell to (insert group)", but they can have rules/decor that make it clear the group isn't welcome or wanted.

A bar can cater to white supremacists with their selection of music and decor, but if a nonwhite person comes in for a drink and is of age, they have to serve them.

Discrimination still, just passive discrimination.

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[rehmwa 2]

Bolas

Discrimination still, just passive discrimination.

yes - but now legal vs illegal is covered

and passive sucks, but a little less than active - baby steps

I suspect 99% of shop owners don't see black, white, red, brown, etc or religion, or eye color even when someone walks in.

they should be seeing loyalty, income, and opportunity with every person - eventually that would reduce the passive thing too

'should'.....FWIW

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[billvon 2,998]

>A bar can cater to white supremacists with their selection of music and decor,
>but if a nonwhite person comes in for a drink and is of age, they have to serve
>them.

Exactly. Or they can cater to women, or aging hipsters, or college frat guys, or lesbian punk rockers. They just can't exclude straight people. (Or women, or whatever.)

[rushmc 23]

Supreme Court rules on this case. CNBC says it was a narrow victory for the baker. 7-2 Was the vote. Common Sense can the Constitution prevails! The baker has his rights!

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

I think it's important for everyone to remember that this Bakery did not deny them service. They said they would sell them any cake they wanted. But he would not use his artistic talents against his own religion. He has rights and he was being civil to those with whom disagreed with. That can't be said for the left!

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[SkyDekker 1,465]

rushmc

Supreme Court rules on this case. CNBC says it was a narrow victory for the baker. 7-2 Was the vote. Common Sense can the Constitution prevails! The baker has his rights!

Sigh, I am not surprised you wouldn't understand the difference, nor am I going to expect you to educate yourself. However, for other people who might be reading.

The "victory" wasn't narrow, the SC issued its verdict on narrow grounds.

Its verdict is around the Colorado Civil Rights Commission showing an impermissible hostility toward religion.

The court did not rule on broader scopes such as under which circumstances people can be exempted from anti-discrimination laws based on religious views. it also didn't touch on some other facts in the case, such as if baking a cake is considered an expressive art and therefor protected under the first amendment.

[rushmc 23]

SkyDekker

***Supreme Court rules on this case. CNBC says it was a narrow victory for the baker. 7-2 Was the vote. Common Sense can the Constitution prevails! The baker has his rights!

Sigh, I am not surprised you wouldn't understand the difference, nor am I going to expect you to educate yourself. However, for other people who might be reading.

The "victory" wasn't narrow, the SC issued its verdict on narrow grounds.

Its verdict is around the Colorado Civil Rights Commission showing an impermissible hostility toward religion.

The court did not rule on broader scopes such as under which circumstances people can be exempted from anti-discrimination laws based on religious views. it also didn't touch on some other facts in the case, such as if baking a cake is considered an expressive art and therefor protected under the first amendment.

He won! His religious liberty was infringed upon by the Colorado civil liberties bullshit court and all the appellate courts behind it and was finally rectified by the Supreme Court. Live with it!

I read the parts that you reply to. That's the spin the left is using trying to make this thing look like less of the victory than it was! Had the thing gone the other way they would be doing cartwheels and dancing in the street and getting ready to fuck over the next person who decides to exercise their religious Liberties. It was a great case, I wished it went farther, but it didn't.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[ryoder 1,590]

SkyDekker

Sigh, I am not surprised you wouldn't understand the difference, nor am I going to expect you to educate yourself. However, for other people who might be reading.

The "victory" wasn't narrow, the SC issued its verdict on narrow grounds.

Its verdict is around the Colorado Civil Rights Commission showing an impermissible hostility toward religion.

The court did not rule on broader scopes such as under which circumstances people can be exempted from anti-discrimination laws based on religious views. it also didn't touch on some other facts in the case, such as if baking a cake is considered an expressive art and therefor protected under the first amendment.

It should also be noted this was a vacated judgement: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacated_judgment

The United States Court of Appeals for the Seventh Circuit noted that a vacated judgment "place(s) the parties in the position of no trial having taken place at all; thus a vacated judgment is of no further force or effect."

IOW, this effectively means the action of the lower court was tossed, as if it never happened.
No precedent has been set, and the parties are free to litigate the issue again.

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rushmc

Supreme Court rules on this case. CNBC says it was a narrow victory for the baker. 7-2 Was the vote. Common Sense can the Constitution prevails! The baker has his rights!

And let's not forget that the couple drove 120 miles past 67 secular-owned bakeries, as well as 6 bakeries owned by Muslims, just to get to the one bakery owned by Christians.

Sounds to me like they wanted to pick a fight with them in court.

[jakee 1,500]

nolhtairt

***Supreme Court rules on this case. CNBC says it was a narrow victory for the baker. 7-2 Was the vote. Common Sense can the Constitution prevails! The baker has his rights!

And let's not forget that the couple drove 120 miles past 67 secular-owned bakeries, as well as 6 bakeries owned by Muslims, just to get to the one bakery owned by Christians.

Sounds to me like they wanted to pick a fight with them in court.

"Couldn't make it up" right?

You got that quote from this twitter account, correct? A bare statement, completely unsourced and unsupported. Why do you believe them?

It's clearly not because you did any research on the subject. The cakeshop is in Lakewood. Lakewood is in the Denver metro area. The couple live in Denver. Denver is not 120 miles across. In fact, they chose it because it was recommended by their wedding planner and was extremely close to their reception restaurant.

Is there any subject you could contribute to on here without embarrassing yourself by parroting obvious fake news bullshit?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[SkyDekker 1,465]

If it is on twitter it must be true.

[yoink 321]

Regardless of the bullshit fake news I think the Supreme Court got this one right.

If I own a business I get to choose who I serve. It might be bad practice, or me being an asshole, but so be it. The government doesn't have a remit to stop that.

[jakee 1,500]

yoink

Regardless of the bullshit fake news I think the Supreme Court got this one right.

If I own a business I get to choose who I serve. It might be bad practice, or me being an asshole, but so be it. The government doesn't have a remit to stop that.

But they didn't actually say that. None of those issues were decided on either way.

(In fact, in the broad sense you just used, those issues were decided on quite some time ago. You don't get to choose who you serve if your decision is based on several defined types bigotry. That is the law.)

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[SkyDekker 1,465]

yoink

Regardless of the bullshit fake news I think the Supreme Court got this one right.

If I own a business I get to choose who I serve. It might be bad practice, or me being an asshole, but so be it. The government doesn't have a remit to stop that.

That is not what the Supreme Court said. Hence the commentary around the decision having a narrow focus. In the decision they actually specifically highlight that not selling a cake on religious grounds would not be similar to this.

[billvon 2,998]

>If I own a business I get to choose who I serve.

Understand why you would want to have that choice, but that principle has caused a lot of pain, division and repression in the US - which is why you can't decide you're not going to serve blacks in the US, for example.

But in any case, the decision didn't speak to that.

[ryoder 1,590]

yoink

Regardless of the bullshit fake news I think the Supreme Court got this one right.

If I own a business I get to choose who I serve. It might be bad practice, or me being an asshole, but so be it. The government doesn't have a remit to stop that.

Please review post# 110.
This decision decided nothing.

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[airdvr 210]

Unless the cake is some sort of magical cake only this bakery can make the gay couple should have just gone to someone else. If the baker wants to be a religious nutcase to his own detriment so be it.

All the time and money wasted on this one...smh.

Please don't dent the planet.

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[Bob_Church 7]

How long until someone goes to a gay baker or T-Shirt designer and orders one with "God Hates Fags" written on it?

[billvon 2,998]

>How long until someone goes to a gay baker or T-Shirt designer and orders one
>with "God Hates Fags" written on it?

I am sure people are doing that now. However, given that homophobes aren't a protected class, there will be less fuss with such a request.

[rushmc 23]

billvon

>How long until someone goes to a gay baker or T-Shirt designer and orders one
>with "God Hates Fags" written on it?

I am sure people are doing that now. However, given that homophobes aren't a protected class, there will be less fuss with such a request.

It’s funny isn’t it Bill, how the left gets to pick and choose what a protected classes is!

You Expose yourself more and more as time goes on.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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rushmc

It’s funny isn’t it Bill, how the left gets to pick and choose what a protected classes is!

You really don't understand how the federal government works, do you?

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[rushmc 23]

jcd11235

***It’s funny isn’t it Bill, how the left gets to pick and choose what a protected classes is!

You really don't understand how the federal government works, do you?

Unfortunately I do! And that's the biggest part of the problem. They're not neutral, they're led by the left and they're going to die by being left.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[jcd11235 0]

rushmc

******It’s funny isn’t it Bill, how the left gets to pick and choose what a protected classes is!

You really don't understand how the federal government works, do you?

Unfortunately I do! And that's the biggest part of the problem. They're not neutral, they're led by the left and they're going to die by being left.

Are you not aware that the right presently controls all three branches of the federal government? It's very difficult to reconcile your belief that the government are led by the left with reality, impossible even.

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