Measles Outbreak

[jclalor 12]

I guess when you have GOP House Members claiming that vaccines can cause mental retardation, this was bound to happen.


http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/1/29/measles-arizona-hospital.html

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jclalor

I guess when you have GOP House Members claiming that vaccines can cause mental retardation, this was bound to happen.

I feel bad for the children and the parents of children who are unable to vaccinate their children due to medical reasons.

Those who choose not to vaccinate their children because they are stupid, well quite frankly, they deserve what is coming...and then some.




http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/1/29/measles-arizona-hospital.html

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It's pretty ignorant to blame a political party or affiliation for this.

Of course, ignorance is the cause of antivax BS in the first place.

cavete terrae.

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The "Nightly Show" with Larry Wilmore (a new spinoff of "The Daily Show") skewered the antivaxers on Tuesday: http://www.cc.com/full-episodes/y1snfo/the-nightly-show-tuesday--january-27--2015-season-1-ep-01006

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[Anvilbrother 0]

This is where the anti-vaccine started for most recent era of protest.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Wakefield

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Andrew Jeremy Wakefield (born c. 1957) is a British former surgeon and medical researcher, known for his fraudulent 1998 research paper in support of the now-discredited claim that there is a link between the administration of the measles, mumps and rubella (MMR) vaccine, and the appearance of autism and bowel disease.

Then Jenny McCarthy started her bullshit, which caught alot of liberal actors eyes and helped push the idea. Which lead to waivers being granted for school age kids to not be vaccinated. What is worse is like minded people tend to live near each other which increases the disease spread.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2015/01/22/vaccine-deniers-stick-together-and-now-theyre-ruining-things-for-everyone/

Blame this on the GOP???
Look where this predominantly happening.
http://www.cfr.org/interactives/GH_Vaccine_Map/#map
Now go reference this with a red state/blue state map and see if its Dem or Repub. states.

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I took a lot of flak for it but I've said and stand by my statement that Jenny McCarthy's relevance to and knowledge of subjects is inversely proportional to the amount of clothing associated with them.

cavete terrae.

[kallend 2,027]

grue

It's pretty ignorant to blame a political party or affiliation for this.

You mean, like Sen. Ted Cruz (R), Sen. Roy Blunt (R), Gov. Bobby Jindal (R), Donald Trump (R) and Gov. Scott Brown (R) all trying to blame Obama for the ebola outbreak?

Yep, pretty ignorant.

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[jclalor 12]

Anvilbrother

This is where the anti-vaccine started for most recent era of protest.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrew_Wakefield

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Andrew Jeremy Wakefield (born c. 1957) is a British former surgeon and medical researcher, known for his fraudulent 1998 research paper in support of the now-discredited claim that there is a link between the administration of the measles, mumps and rubella (MMR) vaccine, and the appearance of autism and bowel disease.

Then Jenny McCarthy started her bullshit, which caught alot of liberal actors eyes and helped push the idea. Which lead to waivers being granted for school age kids to not be vaccinated. What is worse is like minded people tend to live near each other which increases the disease spread.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2015/01/22/vaccine-deniers-stick-together-and-now-theyre-ruining-things-for-everyone/

Blame this on the GOP???
Look where this predominantly happening.
http://www.cfr.org/interactives/GH_Vaccine_Map/#map
Now go reference this with a red state/blue state map and see if its Dem or Repub. states.

It's hard to resist takings a shot at Bachmann, I really hate to see her go.

But you're right, it seems the majority of these nuts are from the left, but the nutty right is caching up.

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kallend

***It's pretty ignorant to blame a political party or affiliation for this.

You mean, like Sen. Ted Cruz (R), Sen. Roy Blunt (R), Gov. Bobby Jindal (R), Donald Trump (R) and Gov. Scott Brown (R) all trying to blame Obama for the ebola outbreak?

Yep, pretty ignorant.

I'm not sure what the point of this comment was… if it's because you think I'm a republican and will jump to their defense, that's not the case. I think casting aspersions around that one party is solely responsible for just about anything is fairly preposterous, and yes the whole Ebola thing was six miles past stupid and did a WONDERFUL job of distracting people from the midterm elections, where we continued a long running national tradition of rewarding poor behavior by giving more opportunities to do stupid, horrible things.

Frankly, I don't even see much of a real-world difference between the two parties, other than a few emotional points that each party's most staunch defenders turn into a big deal that shouldn't even need to involve the federal government.

cavete terrae.

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jclalor

It's hard to resist takings a shot at Bachmann, I really hate to see her go.

Agreed - she is a serious loss to the comedy circuit.

Never try to eat more than you can lift

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Yea with respect to those that believe, if you base your health off God and not science, your gonna have a bad time.

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grue

It's pretty ignorant to blame a political party or affiliati[email]on for this.

Of course, ignorance is the cause of antivax BS in the first place.

Not really. Look at the hot spots in Cali for non-vax. Sonoma, Marin, SF counties. I'm not joking. A look at the key antivaxxers shows people like RFK, Jr. The biggest link I've seen with Antivaxxers is environmentalism. Portland, OR is also a locus of it.

I'm serious. Look at where this is happening.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[stayhigh 2]

Anti Vaxxers are going to continue to exist as long as we have people stupid enough to believe in Ken Ham's creationism theory.

Bernie Sanders for President 2016

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lawrocket

Not really. Look at the hot spots in Cali for non-vax. Sonoma, Marin, SF counties. ...

I'm serious. Look at where this is happening.

I notice that on the cfr.org map, there are ZERO cases
of measles in those three counties, but there are 22 cases
in R-voting Orange County.

Not that I think that it is an R or D thing -- just pointing out the fallacy of your example.

[lawrocket 3]

There was a story on npr about the clusters of no vaccinated students in schools due to parental belief or objection. New phone and don't know how to paste it.

But they were clustered in those areas.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[headoverheels 333]

The low immunization rate in Marin has been a topic for years.

The map updating lags a bit. Here is one article from the last day, discussing new cases.

http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Measles-outbreak-Marin-dad-wants-school-to-ban-6046865.php

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/Two-Measles-Cases-Confirmed-in-Marin-County-Both-Children-Unvaccinated-Health-Dept-290325191.html

[lawrocket 3]

Yes. For years. I Don't think that anti-science has any particular party affiliation. Evolution is likely do be denied by Christians, who happen to side with the GOP. Anti-GMO are likely to side with the Dems. Anti-vaxxers would also seem to link with the anti-GMO side. Both object to substances being introduced. Despite the lack of science demonstrating negatives of GMOs there will be the many who would argue for their banning.

The left has, in large part, focused the attention that the right is "anti-science." But we see that the wealthiest, highest educated and most liberal areas in California have the most kids unvaccinated due to parental choice. Oregon has the highest rate of no medical bad exemptions to kids. Michigan, Vermont, Illinois and Idaho follow it. Yeah, Idaho does stick out like a sore thumb, doesn't it?

Weird to me is that is expect to find higher rates in religious places. Not just because of the religious thing, but because all it takes is the leaders of a few mega churches to go off on vaccines then you've got a large population. Thing is, I'm seeing anti-vaxxers spread out and wondering whether there is some locus. But they do tend to cluster. Like minded people living around each other and reinforcing their beliefs.

Anti-vaxxers are like truthers, birthers or moon hoaxers. There isn't a damned thing that you can say to them to convince them otherwise. Period. So other than banning kids from schools without them I don't know what to do.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[wmw999 2,452]

PBS's show Science Friday was just discussing this today. It doesn't break down cleanly in any direction.

I actually find that to be pretty hopeful; it's a sign that at least some people reject automatically aligning themselves, and think about the issues. They might come to weird conclusions, but they're not voting a straight ticket just based on its being science.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[lawrocket 3]

I saw that the linked information looked at religious adults and their views. In my mind it is much broader than that. So many focus on religion but I really believe that secular people are just as guilty.

It's like the Space Shuttle Columbia. The math showed that the energy of the foam was capable of destroying the carbon carbon panel. But people's own subjective impression just wouldn't allow them to believe it. not until it was demonstrated did everyone finally accept it.

The brightest and best educated can be arrogant and dumb. And frequently are.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[wmw999 2,452]

OK, I'll admit I didn't read what was there; I heard most of the discussion on the way home from the store, and just linked to the Science Friday website, assuming it had the same information. The discussion made it very clear that this was not associated with religion, or any given religion, specifically.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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wmw999

The discussion made it very clear that this was not associated with religion, or any given religion, specifically.

Mmmm... I guess blindly following the beliefs of a B-list celebrity doesn't officially count as an organized religion, but I think it's pretty close to an unofficial one. Jenny "nutball" McCarthy has made a bit of cash over this with her book sales.

Okay, maybe not religion . . . cult of celebrity though.

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quade

Okay, maybe not religion . . . cult of celebrity though.

The only difference between cults and religions is the tax break that the latter get.

cavete terrae.

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grue

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Okay, maybe not religion . . . cult of celebrity though.

The only difference between cults and religions is the tax break that the latter get.

Mmmm, I question your definition.

There is at least a couple organizations I consider to be cults which receive tax breaks.

Cult has a very different definition in my book. That definition mostly revolves around the separation of the person from anyone who disagrees with the organization, breaking ties to things outside the organization, and generally a good deal of brainwashing, subtle or otherwise.

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quade

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Okay, maybe not religion . . . cult of celebrity though.

The only difference between cults and religions is the tax break that the latter get.

Mmmm, I question your definition.

There is at least a couple organizations I consider to be cults which receive tax breaks.

Cult has a very different definition in my book.


Go on…

The tax break thing was mostly a joke, but in my eye the only significant difference between the two really is "broad social acceptance", which does happen to frequently come with a tax break or tax exempt status.

cavete terrae.

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Do you know what an e-meter is?

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