Measles Outbreak

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quade

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Cult has a very different definition in my book. That definition mostly revolves around the separation of the person from anyone who disagrees with the organization, breaking ties to things outside the organization, and generally a good deal of brainwashing, subtle or otherwise.

Sounds like the Democrats.

But, I wonder ...Does a previous measles infection, or even just an earlier exposure to measles, provide the same protection as vaccination? Some protection?

[grue 1]

quade

Do you know what an e-meter is?

Unfortunately.

I mean, not from personal experience, but yeah that's right up there with rosary beads and tallit as "physical manifestations of gullibility"

cavete terrae.

[kallend 2,027]

lawrocket

It's like the Space Shuttle Columbia. The math showed that the energy of the foam was capable of destroying the carbon carbon panel. But people's own subjective impression just wouldn't allow them to believe it. not until it was demonstrated did everyone finally accept it.

The brightest and best educated can be arrogant and dumb. And frequently are.

I don't know of any physicists or engineers who didn't believe it. The sad thing is that we give any weight at all to those who say "I'm not a scientist but...".

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

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jclalor

I guess when you have GOP House Members claiming that vaccines can cause mental retardation, this was bound to happen.


http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/1/29/measles-arizona-hospital.html

Always amazed that people wouldn't want to protect their kids from this.

https://www.google.com/search?q=pictures+of+measles&es_sm=122&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=IRrMVPqyPIqNsQTHp4HYDQ&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAQ&biw=1366&bih=677

Please don't dent the planet.

Destinations by Roxanne

[Anvilbrother 0]

I don't know I was old enough to go throught the era of kids being invited over to a friends house who had the chicken pox so they could get them and be done with it. I had them also, it's a right of passage, these pussified kids these days don't have to worry about it, and that's what's wrong with merica! Get off my lawn dammit!!!!

Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along,

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kallend

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It's like the Space Shuttle Columbia. The math showed that the energy of the foam was capable of destroying the carbon carbon panel. But people's own subjective impression just wouldn't allow them to believe it. not until it was demonstrated did everyone finally accept it.

The brightest and best educated can be arrogant and dumb. And frequently are.

I don't know of any physicists or engineers who didn't believe it. The sad thing is that we give any weight at all to those who say "I'm not a scientist but...".

That's why engineering and MMACS didn't think it would be a problem.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[Bolas 5]

At least the media has recent pandemic hype experience with Ebola last year.

Who wants to bet someone proposes a mandatory vaccine's bill?

Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

[lawrocket 3]

Bolas

At least the media has recent pandemic hype experience with Ebola last year.

Who wants to bet someone proposes a mandatory vaccine's bill?

Make them available for girls only and let opposition to it be called a war on women. Or opposition a war on children. Or call it an effort to combat climate change and anybody who opposes mandatory vaccines climate change deniers.


Just call me a cynical SOB.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

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Bolas

At least the media has recent pandemic hype experience with Ebola last year.

Who wants to bet someone proposes a mandatory vaccine's bill?

They were. At least they used to be.

Mandatory that is.

Kids had to be vaccinated to attend school.
There were waivers, but they were pretty hard to get and required an actual, valid, medical reason.

And kids were safely vaccinated for decades before this bullshit about autism came up.

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

[Bolas 5]

wolfriverjoe

***At least the media has recent pandemic hype experience with Ebola last year.

Who wants to bet someone proposes a mandatory vaccine's bill?

They were. At least they used to be.

Mandatory that is.

Kids had to be vaccinated to attend school.
There were waivers, but they were pretty hard to get and required an actual, valid, medical reason.

And kids were safely vaccinated for decades before this bullshit about autism came up.

Who'd a thunk Jenny McCarthy would be the harbinger of the apocalypse?

Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

[Bolas 5]

The problem with the old rule is it was a school requirement. Homeschool changed this so any new rule would have to impact ALL.

The other possibility is to make any parents that refuse vac for non medical reasons civilly and criminally liable for not only their children but ANY children they may have infected, such as this child:

http://www.cnn.com/2015/01/29/health/california-boy-vaccine-school/index.html

Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

[lawrocket 3]

A court in Connecticut just ordered a teenager to go through chemo.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[Bolas 5]

lawrocket

A court in Connecticut just ordered a teenager to go through chemo.

Completely disagree with that. Cancer is not an infectious disease.

Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

[kallend 2,027]

lawrocket

******

It's like the Space Shuttle Columbia. The math showed that the energy of the foam was capable of destroying the carbon carbon panel. But people's own subjective impression just wouldn't allow them to believe it. not until it was demonstrated did everyone finally accept it.

The brightest and best educated can be arrogant and dumb. And frequently are.

I don't know of any physicists or engineers who didn't believe it. The sad thing is that we give any weight at all to those who say "I'm not a scientist but...".

That's why engineering and MMACS didn't think it would be a problem.

Mission Management <> engineers. Same with Challenger.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

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Bolas

***A court in Connecticut just ordered a teenager to go through chemo.

Completely disagree with that. Cancer is not an infectious disease.

Tell that to Cheryl Crow

cavete terrae.

[ryoder 1,590]

Here is a map of state compliance with the full complement of CDC-recommended vaccinations.
Really not much correlation with red/blue:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2015/01/29/which-states-are-the-best-and-worst-at-vaccinating-their-kids/

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

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ryoder

Here is a map of state compliance with the full complement of CDC-recommended vaccinations.
Really not much correlation with red/blue:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2015/01/29/which-states-are-the-best-and-worst-at-vaccinating-their-kids/

This is an any reason map. The one I was focused on was the lack of vaccinations for "personal belief." Those are the ones I thought told the story. There are some other reasons for not receiving vaccinations.

Which ones are not going to vaccinate kids due to personal belief is what this is mainly about. And in that category there is a bit of a riot toward the blue areas. There Are exceptions but I saw a fairly identifiable correlation.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

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Bolas

***A court in Connecticut just ordered a teenager to go through chemo.

Completely disagree with that. Cancer is not an infectious disease.


Children simply do not have the capacity to understand life and death. By most accounts durring her court appearance, the Girl, along with her mom, knew very little about her condition and her treatment options.

[jclalor 12]

lawrocket

***Here is a map of state compliance with the full complement of CDC-recommended vaccinations.
Really not much correlation with red/blue:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2015/01/29/which-states-are-the-best-and-worst-at-vaccinating-their-kids/

This is an any reason map. The one I was focused on was the lack of vaccinations for "personal belief." Those are the ones I thought told the story. There are some other reasons for not receiving vaccinations.

Which ones are not going to vaccinate kids due to personal belief is what this is mainly about. And in that category there is a bit of a riot toward the blue areas. There Are exceptions but I saw a fairly identifiable correlation.

Sometimes, a little education can be a bad thing.

http://www.livescience.com/43577-why-rich-educated-parents-avoid-vaccinations.html

[Bolas 5]

jclalor

******A court in Connecticut just ordered a teenager to go through chemo.

Completely disagree with that. Cancer is not an infectious disease.


Children simply do not have the capacity to understand life and death. By most accounts durring her court appearance, the Girl, along with her mom, knew very little about her condition and her treatment options.

And that refusal is putting whom other than her at risk?

Let's stop saving people from themselves and focus on saving other people from them. See my sigline.
You or your child want to do something others may consider stupid but is minimal to no risk to others not involved? Go for it, but be prepared to deal with the consequences without burdening others.

Should your actions or inactions put others at considerable risk that's when the authorities need to step in.

Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

[jclalor 12]

Bolas

*********A court in Connecticut just ordered a teenager to go through chemo.

Completely disagree with that. Cancer is not an infectious disease.


Children simply do not have the capacity to understand life and death. By most accounts durring her court appearance, the Girl, along with her mom, knew very little about her condition and her treatment options.

And that refusal is putting whom other than her at risk?

Let's stop saving people from themselves and focus on saving other people from them. See my sigline.
You or your child want to do something others may consider stupid but is minimal to no risk to others not involved? Go for it, but be prepared to deal with the consequences without burdening others.

Should your actions or inactions put others at considerable risk that's when the authorities need to step in.

I've always considered a 90% chance of death a "considerable risk". If you want to go against all conventional medical advice, and in all probability die, knock yourself out, we as adults have the right to make terrible decisions.

But not kids... Give them the chance to at least grow up, as if 18 is really "grown up".

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This is an any reason map. The one I was focused on was the lack of vaccinations for "personal belief." Those are the ones I thought told the story. There are some other reasons for not receiving vaccinations.

Which ones are not going to vaccinate kids due to personal belief is what this is mainly about. And in that category there is a bit of a riot toward the blue areas. There Are exceptions but I saw a fairly identifiable correlation.


Here's a school by school PBE list for California. In the top 50 or more (least vaccinated), all are Christian, Waldorf, Montessori, or public charter schools. No Waldorf school has less then 33% personal belief exemption, and they range up to 87%. You can search, so find particular schools or counties.

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aljazeera?

With apologies to Deniro, the question is begged.

IS THAT ALL YOU GOT?

[kallend 2,027]

Boomerdog

aljazeera?

With apologies to Deniro, the question is begged.

IS THAT ALL YOU GOT?

Without having made a seriously detailed study, I have got the definite impression that Aljazeera has a rather better record of accuracy in reporting than Fox News (not that beating Fox News is anything to brag about).

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[Boomerdog 0]

So, you compare $#!T with $#!T. Are you seeking the truth or trying to determine who stinks more?