Measles Outbreak

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jclalor

I guess when you have GOP House Members claiming that vaccines can cause mental retardation, this was bound to happen.


http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/1/29/measles-arizona-hospital.html

And now "Dr" Rand Paul claims that he knows of many normal children who have ended up with " profound mental disorders" after being vaccinated. This is the the most educated of the GOP presidential candidates?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/02/02/rand-paul-child-vaccinations_n_6599560.html


If the vast majority of Republican voters believe in vaccines, why are these guys pandering to such a small number of the right.

[ryoder 1,590]

jclalor

***I guess when you have GOP House Members claiming that vaccines can cause mental retardation, this was bound to happen.


http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/1/29/measles-arizona-hospital.html

And now "Dr" Rand Paul claims that he knows of many normal children who have ended up with " profound mental disorders" after being vaccinated. This is the the most educated of the GOP presidential candidates?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/02/02/rand-paul-child-vaccinations_n_6599560.html


If the vast majority of Republican voters believe in vaccines, why are these guys pandering to such a small number of the right.

If he knows of such people, he should alert the CDC.
I'm sure they would like to to updated on this information.

Incidentally, Paul is an ophthalmologist, which is a full-fledged MD who happens to specialize in the eye.
Of course even MD's can occasionally suffer mental degradation, e.g. Dr Mehmet Oz.

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[Anvilbrother 0]

Even Obama was one of the ones not sure if vaccinating was a good idea.

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"We've seen just a skyrocketing autism rate. Some people are suspicious that it's connected to the vaccines. This person included. The science right now is inconclusive, but we have to research it." --Barack Obama, Pennsylvania Rally, April 21, 2008.

And in the spirit of equal opportunity hatin' Chris Christie is pandering to the anti-vaccine parents TODAY by saying it should be a parents decision to vaccinate......

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[wmw999 2,452]

We have seen a skyrocketing autism (and autism diagnosis) rate. In 2008, we were already in eeewww for autism-linked-to-autism, but we hadn't quite reached OMFG-you've-got-to-be-kidding territory yet. In other words, it'd be easy to say he was pandering, but he really wasn't to stupid yet.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[jclalor 12]

ryoder

******I guess when you have GOP House Members claiming that vaccines can cause mental retardation, this was bound to happen.


http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2015/1/29/measles-arizona-hospital.html

And now "Dr" Rand Paul claims that he knows of many normal children who have ended up with " profound mental disorders" after being vaccinated. This is the the most educated of the GOP presidential candidates?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/02/02/rand-paul-child-vaccinations_n_6599560.html


If the vast majority of Republican voters believe in vaccines, why are these guys pandering to such a small number of the right.

If he knows of such people, he should alert the CDC.
I'm sure they would like to to updated on this information.

Incidentally, Paul is an ophthalmologist, which is a full-fledged MD who happens to specialize in the eye.
Of course even MD's can occasionally suffer mental degradation, e.g. Dr Mehmet Oz.

He makes it easy at times to forget that he's a real MD. It's pretty funny that he claims to be "Board certified", not by the recognized board of ophthalmologist, but by the board he created.

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Anvilbrother

Even Obama was one of the ones not sure if vaccinating was a good idea.

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"We've seen just a skyrocketing autism rate. Some people are suspicious that it's connected to the vaccines. This person included. The science right now is inconclusive, but we have to research it." --Barack Obama, Pennsylvania Rally, April 21, 2008.

And in the spirit of equal opportunity hatin' Chris Christie is pandering to the anti-vaccine parents TODAY by saying it should be a parents decision to vaccinate......

I'm not surprised that Obama said that, and he really should have known better, even 6 years ago. The science on this has been settled for a lot longer than 6 years, around that time I was giving thousands of vaccines a year and had to deal with the profoundly misinformed on a daily basis.

[billvon 2,998]

>And now "Dr" Rand Paul claims that he knows of many normal children who have ended
>up with " profound mental disorders" after being vaccinated.

True. I know of several skydivers who died after being vaccinated.

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billvon

>And now "Dr" Rand Paul claims that he knows of many normal children who have ended
>up with " profound mental disorders" after being vaccinated.

True. I know of several skydivers who died after being vaccinated.

Post hoc...

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

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lawrocket

Yeah. it takes. Certain level of education, wealth and arrogance to deliberately deny a vaccine for a kid on the basis of some idea out in the media. I doubt this is an idea spreading through the rest of the world via the Internet. I have a hard time imagining hordes of people trekking to our shores with RFK, Jr. in their minds warning of the dangers of global warming and vaccinations.

I actually see RFK, Jr. as kinda the stereotype anti-vaxxer. Wealthy. Educated. Self absorbed. And messianic in the belief that he knows what nobody else does and that others out there should simply follow his lead.

Anti-vaxxers shop at Whole Foods, demand organics and non-GMO, drive smart cars, because anything else is harmful.

I understand. My personal encounters with anti-vaxxers is also 100% environmentalists/leftists (the over the top kind, not the regular people that lean that way). And your description does fit the bill. But the other end is also fanatics of specific religious types that seem to be much less educated and affluent.

Seems the anti vaxxer really are from all demographics, but the stereotypes are concentrated in these couple areas.

I suspect that anti-vaxxers are a small percentage and from all walks of life. And that the really obnoxious, in your face, types that get a lot of press come from those two stereotype demographics. The others probably just quietly go about it and don't make a huge fuss until it becomes a problem. (kind of like most things)


1 - is autism actually increasing (and a lot of other issues)? or is just real and false diagnosis of those problems increasing (and awareness). Medicine likes to diagnose problems and treat them and sell medicine and collect fees. And parents are more affluent and have money to do it.

2 - where's the correlation to increasing medical issues and just the amount of food processing that occurs? if the last decade has shown increases in wierdass problems, it's also shown an increase in artificial this and that, and over processing, and less natural eating.

etc

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[lawrocket 3]

I think your point about the loudest being the stereotype I described is probably merited. There is a good chance they come from all walks of life but the ones I described are just the loudest, most annoying and most self-righteous.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

I caught this quote on last night's news (Bolding mine):

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Severe Problems (Very Rare)
Several severe problems have been reported following MMR vaccine, and might also happen after MMRV. These include severe allergic reactions (fewer than 4 per million), and problems such as:
Deafness.
Long-term seizures, coma, lowered consciousness.
Permanent brain damage.
Because these problems occur so rarely, we can’t be sure whether they are caused by the vaccine or not.

From the CDC site, you have to scroll down to the MMR part:

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/side-effects.htm

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

"~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo

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jakee

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I am blaming the outbreak on moronic immigration policy

Why?

www.vox.com/2015/2/3/7972185/immigrants-measles

Another bigot pandering to the ignorant.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[billvon 2,998]

Paul Rand, on Monday:

"I've heard of many tragic cases of walking, talking normal children who wound up with profound mental disorders after vaccines."

Do you want your child to have profound mental disorders? I thought not!

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billvon

Paul Rand, on Monday:

"I've heard of many tragic cases of walking, talking normal children who wound up with profound mental disorders after vaccines."

Do you want your child to have profound mental disorders? I thought not!

I hear that some people have wound up with profound mental disorders after being born. After breathing. After being breast fed. After getting married. After skydiving. After voting for a Republican.

Post hoc ergo propter hoc, Rand!

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

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billvon

>You or your child want to do something others may consider stupid but is minimal to
>no risk to others not involved? Go for it . . .

Really? Beating your kids and sending them to the hospital? "Go for it" as long as no one else is involved?

Yes. I support you personally beating your own children and sending them to the hospital.

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Society has a higher duty of responsibility towards children than they have towards adults - and that includes overriding parents when they make decisions that stand to harm or kill their children.

Far too vague. That can cover anything from helmets to diet choices or more.

Personal accountability and responsibility needs to apply here as well until a parent is deemed to be unfit.

Stupidity if left untreated is self-correcting
If ya can't be good, look good, if that fails, make 'em laugh.

[billvon 2,998]

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I support you personally beating your own children and sending them to the hospital.

Didn't claim you would support it. But your statement above indicates you would not oppose it - since there is minimal to no risk to others not involved.

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Personal accountability and responsibility needs to apply here as well until a parent is deemed to be unfit.

I agree. Personal accountability and responsibility are critical. There are also laws that ensure better protection of children without removing the child from a parent due to them being unfit. (In other words, work at a lower level than declaring them unfit.) That benefits the children, the parents and society in general.

[ryoder 1,590]

There is a new episode of PBS "Frontline";
"The Vaccine War": http://video.pbs.org/video/2365449467/

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[kallend 2,027]

Oklahoma just reported its first measles case in 18 years.

www.koco.com/news/osdh-confirms-case-of-measles-in-oklahoma/32045468

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[jclalor 12]

ryoder

There is a new episode of PBS "Frontline";
"The Vaccine War": http://video.pbs.org/video/2365449467/

My DVR missed it. Thanks for posting it, it's the best show on TV.

The one thing I wish Frontline would have done is define what a "multi dose vaccine" is. I don't think most people realize what that is; a vial that contains more than a single dose, most flu shots come in a 1ml vial that contain enough vaccine for 10 injections. Some vaccines come in a single dose that you simply attach a needle to. The reason thimerasol is used in multi dose vaccines is to preserve the remaining doses in the vial once it has been opened, up to a month.

I wonder how those anti vaccine nuts could appear on that show and not feel like complete idiots after watching themselves?

[ryoder 1,590]

jclalor

***There is a new episode of PBS "Frontline";
"The Vaccine War": http://video.pbs.org/video/2365449467/

My DVR missed it. Thanks for posting it, it's the best show on TV.

The one thing I wish Frontline would have done is define what a "multi dose vaccine" is. I don't think most people realize what that is; a vial that contains more than a single dose, most flu shots come in a 1ml vial that contain enough vaccine for 10 injections. Some vaccines come in a single dose that you simply attach a needle to. The reason thimerasol is used in multi dose vaccines is to preserve the remaining doses in the vial once it has been opened, up to a month.

I wonder how those anti vaccine nuts could appear on that show and not feel like complete idiots after watching themselves?

I just want to strangle some of those clueless anti-vaxers;
"Oh, there hasn't been a case of polio in the US in decades!"

Guess what bimbo; Polio still exists in the world, and there is this amazing new invention call "the airplane" that could transport it to the US in hours. When I was a kid, I met a guy who had contracted polio. He had recovered, but hobbled around with braces on his deformed legs. It left a lasting impression on me.

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.