Anvilbrother 0 #1 January 30, 2015 This is a two part topic, and I am being totally honest, and ready for an open discussion on these two subjects without any racist/religious/cultural hate going on. One is the truth to the notion that for a race, to survive you must have a fertility rate of at least 2.1. Any less and there will not be enough births to cover the deaths. Since 2007 the fertility rates of legal residents of the U.S. has been under that sustainable rate of 2.1 and currently is at its lowest ever in 29 years at a rate of 1.86. Studies show this is contributed by changes in teen birth rates, abortions(although it is at its lowest rate since becoming legal), lack of money to have children, women choosing to work instead of be stay at home moms, couples choosing to have children later on in life. As a side note, fertility is above replacement rate among immigrant families coming to the U.S., most of whom come from countries with higher fertility than that of the U.S. It is shown that the fertility rates of immigrants to the U.S. have been found to decrease sharply in the second generation, correlating with improved education and income. Onto my second topic and that is the thought that Muslims are using this as a non violent way to spread out and take control. In Europe Muslim women today have an average of 2.2 children compared to an estimated average of 1.5 children for non-Muslim women in Europe. Combine that with quotes from Muammar Gaddafi who stated Quote“There are signs that Allah will grant victory to Islam in Europe without swords, without guns, without conquest. We don’t need terrorists, we don’t need homicide bombers. The 50+ million Muslims [in Europe] will turn it into a Muslim continent within a few decades.” Turkish fundamentalist leader Nijmuddin Erbakan stated Quote"Our aim is to put down roots in the European continent, and to act quietly and in accordance with the laws, so that one day we may see all of Europe Muslim!" Is this way to spread out and "take over" Europe, and any other country really their thought process, and is it something that you believe will actually happen? Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grue 1 #2 January 30, 2015 Some interesting things to consider: Birth rates are strongly inversely correlated with education. Religion is inversely correlated with education. Most major religions have some practices or rules with the thinly-veiled intent to get their followers to create more followers. The persons most likely to follow these rules are the more devout followers, and it naturally follows on that their spawn will be raised in an environment espousing those views, thereby propagating them further. The whole thing basically piles together to make it pretty clear that it doesn't need to be an active effort, as the spread of any significant religion from the above form is literally success through ignorance. Me? I'm not going to fight back with the same method, because I really don't like children and sure as hell don't want any of my own. I will, however, continue to hope that religion can die a natural death as people become more educated.cavete terrae. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
champu 1 #3 January 30, 2015 I think the high fertility rate of immigrants and drop-off in the second generation is a phenomenon that doesn't require any kind of domineering explanation, religious or otherwise. I also think changes in racial and religious majorities and pluralities are nothing, in and of themselves, to worry about. Lastly, I think leaders, or those whose goal is to appear to be the like, will always try to get their name associated with events and phenomena, regardless of whether they have anything to do with it. The correct response of anyone who this worries is to double-down on protection of individual liberties. Get rid of crap like the ability to amend the state constitution in California with a simple majority vote on a ballot measure, stop indirectly calling the Fourth Amendment of the US Constitution an "obstacle," etc. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #4 January 30, 2015 QuoteMost major religions have some practices or rules with the thinly-veiled intent to get their followers to create more followers. This is the exact thing my wife (who was raised catholic) brought up when we discussed this. I had always thought the no birth control rule for Catholics were for religious, bible, Jesus, reasons only. I now can totally visualize it as propaganda to have as many catholic babies as possible to dominate all other religions. Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grue 1 #5 January 30, 2015 AnvilbrotherQuoteMost major religions have some practices or rules with the thinly-veiled intent to get their followers to create more followers. This is the exact thing my wife (who was raised catholic) brought up when we discussed this. I had always thought the no birth control rule for Catholics were for religious, bible, Jesus, reasons only. I now can totally visualize it as propaganda to have as many catholic babies as possible to dominate all other religions. and if you're as cynical as I am, you'll see tax benefits for parents as an incentive to create more future taxpayers.cavete terrae. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 34 #6 January 30, 2015 At any rate, we might get to see it happen in Michigan where a large number of Muslim immigrants live clustered around Detroit and Dearborn. Get one of them to run for office and get enough votes and then see how that works out. "Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grue 1 #7 January 30, 2015 BillyVance At any rate, we might get to see it happen in Michigan where a large number of Muslim immigrants live clustered around Detroit and Dearborn. Get one of them to run for office and get enough votes and then see how that works out. To be fair, it's Detroit. Anything there is an improvement at this point.cavete terrae. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,489 #8 January 30, 2015 Quote Is this way to spread out and "take over" Europe, and any other country really their thought process, and is it something that you believe will actually happen? Haha. Hire a polling company to cold call known muslim households. Question number 1: Do you know who Nijmuddin Erbakan is?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,489 #9 January 30, 2015 BillyVance At any rate, we might get to see it happen in Michigan where a large number of Muslim immigrants live clustered around Detroit and Dearborn. Get one of them to run for office and get enough votes and then see how that works out. You mean... there could be... a muslim politician!?!?!?!?Truly, the end times are comingDo you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rick 67 #10 January 30, 2015 The city council president of Dearborn (a suburb of Detroit) is a Muslim as is most of the Dearborn city council. So far no Sharia law.You can't be drunk all day if you don't start early! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,489 #11 January 30, 2015 Rick The city council president of Dearborn (a suburb of Detroit) is a Muslim as is most of the Dearborn city council. So far no Sharia law. I don't believe you. I think you're part of the invasion.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rick 67 #12 January 30, 2015 busted allahu akbarYou can't be drunk all day if you don't start early! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BillyVance 34 #13 January 30, 2015 jakee ***At any rate, we might get to see it happen in Michigan where a large number of Muslim immigrants live clustered around Detroit and Dearborn. Get one of them to run for office and get enough votes and then see how that works out. You mean... there could be... a muslim politician!?!?!?!?Truly, the end times are comingAll it takes is one... then one becomes two, then three, then eventually you get a majority and then they start to take over. What are you gonna do when the population tilts to a majority Muslim in a country that was founded on Christian principles? Thankfully it won't happen in my lifetime, or my children's lifetimes, but beyond that.... "Mediocre people don't like high achievers, and high achievers don't like mediocre people." - SIX TIME National Champion coach Nick Saban Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,523 #14 January 30, 2015 Which country do you think was "founded on Christian Principles?""There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,447 #15 January 30, 2015 Oh come on, the Messcans will take over long before that Wendy P. There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,489 #16 January 30, 2015 QuoteAll it takes is one.. To do what? QuoteWhat are you gonna do when the population tilts to a majority Muslim in a country that was founded on Christian principles? Be happy that I live in a secular country that has protections against religious politicians imposing their fuckwitted ideals on the rest of us. Same as now.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #17 January 30, 2015 BillyVance ******At any rate, we might get to see it happen in Michigan where a large number of Muslim immigrants live clustered around Detroit and Dearborn. Get one of them to run for office and get enough votes and then see how that works out. You mean... there could be... a muslim politician!?!?!?!?Truly, the end times are comingAll it takes is one... then one becomes two, then three, then eventually you get a majority and then they start to take over. What are you gonna do when the population tilts to a majority Muslim in a country that was founded on Christian principles? Thankfully it won't happen in my lifetime, or my children's lifetimes, but beyond that.... I know you're not really that paranoid and silly. Please stop pretending. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #18 January 30, 2015 >What are you gonna do when the population tilts to a majority Muslim in a country >that was founded on Christian principles? See if you can guess which anti-American terrorist said this: ============= As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion; as it has in itself no character of enmity against the laws, religion, or tranquility, of [Muslims]; and as the said States never entered into any war or act of hostility against any Mahometan nation, it is declared by the parties that no pretext arising from religious opinions shall ever produce an interruption of the harmony existing between the two countries. ============= Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #19 January 30, 2015 >Oh come on, the Messicans will take over long before that That's so 2000. And before that it was the Italians, then the Irish, then the evil, evil Germans. Japanese were the Devil incarnate for a while there too. We should start a pool to bet on what the most-hated group will be circa 2020. I'm going for Brazilians. It's just their turn in the barrel, dammit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #20 January 30, 2015 Statistically as of now if fertility and immigration rate does not change its a true statement. The historically existing races(however you say it) in the U.S. are under the 2.1 sustainability rate by a fair ammount, and incoming immigrants are over 2.1 for at least two years after entering the U.S. Which mean they would eventually take over the race majority holder status. Not saying it will remain that way, but just speaking numbers it is for now. Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grue 1 #21 January 30, 2015 billvon>Oh come on, the Messicans will take over long before that That's so 2000. And before that it was the Italians, then the Irish, then the evil, evil Germans. Japanese were the Devil incarnate for a while there too. We should start a pool to bet on what the most-hated group will be circa 2020. I'm going for Brazilians. It's just their turn in the barrel, dammit. I'm half-expecting a real hardcore turn against atheists any time now.cavete terrae. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,489 #22 January 30, 2015 So if everything stays the same, everything is going to be different. Meta!Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #23 January 30, 2015 Nice catch! Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #24 January 30, 2015 >Statistically as of now if fertility and immigration rate does not change its a true statement. True. And it was also true of most of those other groups (like the Irish.) >The historically existing races(however you say it) in the U.S. are under the 2.1 >sustainability rate by a fair ammount, and incoming immigrants are over 2.1 for at least >two years after entering the U.S. Which mean they would eventually take over the >race majority holder status. If that holds, yes. Which wouldn't be the end of the world in any case. It's happened before. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
