rushmc 23 #26 February 9, 2015 How about this source? QuoteUniversity of London Historian Thomas Asbridge also told ABC News that the suggestion of any causal link between the Islamic State terrorists and the medieval Crusades is “grounded in the manipulation and misrepresentation of historical evidence.”"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mistercwood 287 #27 February 9, 2015 rushmc And yes, those lands had passed as is the point Christians had those lands taken from them 400 years prior As was and is the SOP for these people (some of them anyway) So the statement is correct as the Crusades were a response I'll be sure to put you down as a supporter when your own indigenous population decides it's time to "respond" to their land being taken from them.** ** We've got a couple more centuries over here for our comeuppance... You are playing chicken with a planet - you can't dodge and planets don't blink. Act accordingly. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,489 #28 February 9, 2015 turtlespeed***QuoteOr are you saying that since the Christians did it, in the distant past, its OK for others to perpetuate violence today? No, he's not saying that. Oh? And you are clairvoyant like John now. I gotcha. No, but I do know how to read. You should try it some time.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,489 #29 February 9, 2015 rushmcDid you know that the initial goal of the Crusades was to give back lands to Christians that had been conquered, due to Muslim conquests? And to say otherwise is, well, less than truthful So? What's your point?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,489 #30 February 9, 2015 rushmcHow about this source? QuoteUniversity of London Historian Thomas Asbridge also told ABC News that the suggestion of any causal link between the Islamic State terrorists and the medieval Crusades is “grounded in the manipulation and misrepresentation of historical evidence.” It's a good source. It perfectly illustrates the strawman being used to attack Obama.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #31 February 9, 2015 Quote It perfectly illustrates the strawman being used to attack Obama. http://www.theanalystworld.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/scarecrow-with-pistol.jpg Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jclalor 12 #32 February 9, 2015 kallend******no one made the claim that they were 'more evil', 'less evil, 'as evil' - whatever. What was stated was that there have been atrocities on all sides related to religion. And for Christians to deny that there have not been any atrocities and perhaps MILLIONS of people dying at the hands of Christians, in the name of god and Christianity, would be a fucking lie. Religion is evil and the sooner we eradicate it from the earth, the better of we are. Welcome to the modern world. It seems that these things should have already been put behind us, no? Or are you saying that since the Christians did it, in the distant past, its OK for others to perpetuate violence today? Belfast in the 1980s is not "the distant past". Bosnia is not in "the distant past", 8000 Muslims exterminated by Christians less than 20 years ago, on Eurpean soil, I don't recall any of my Christian friends condemning the actions of their Serbian Christian brothers. http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bosnian_Genocide Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tkhayes 348 #33 February 10, 2015 http://www.thenation.com/blog/179191/its-not-just-uganda-behind-christian-rights-onslaught-africa even more recent. in fact ongoing. What about Eric Rudolph? Clinic bombings and murders. Oh wait - he's white and American, so we do not call it 'terrorism' Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jclalor 12 #34 February 10, 2015 RonD1120For those of you who believe the Crusades were as evil as the current move of the Daesh read the following. http://www.nationalreview.com/article/398126/jihadis-14-crusaders-2-ralph-peters Perhaps we should just put all of our Muslim citizens in camps until we get this whole ISIS thing straightened out? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boomerdog 0 #35 February 10, 2015 QuoteFact remains that *MOST* religions have sanctioned atrocities at various times in their past. Yes they have and since atheism and agnosticism have too become religions as they believe in nothing but profess it nonetheless and are rather strident about it these days. Here are some famous atheists: Adolph Hitler Joseph Stalin Mao Che Castro Between the five of them professing no existence of God, they've murdered a little over 150 million people. Right again professor, I salute your astute observations! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tkhayes 348 #36 February 10, 2015 Adolph Hitler's army and special forces had "Gott mit uns" (God with us) on their uniforms. Many would like to think he was an atheist, but they would be wrong actually. He might not have been a bile thumping evangelical, but he was no atheist. And the 'atheists' you mentioned did not hardly murder people over their 'religion' and trying to purge the world from it, they murdered over political/cultural ideology. There is a difference between Stalin killing the people opposed to his 'ideal Soviet Union', and people murdering doctors because 'god told them to'. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boomerdog 0 #37 February 10, 2015 Vee shaall see!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tkhayes 348 #38 February 10, 2015 And atheism is NOT a religion, but it is another claim that the religious community likes to use. It is the ABSENCE of religion. Basic English language skills, usage and definitions. If atheism is a 'religion', then not smoking is a 'habit' and being unemployed is a 'job'. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ibx 2 #39 February 10, 2015 QuoteJust remember, without the crusades being successful, it's possible that most of Europe would be under Islamic control. Just a wild guess here, mind you. Thats true, its just guess and a bad one at that. Europe was most at risk by a muslim takeover when Suleyman stood before the gates of Vienna almost 300 years after the crusades... But hey, they brought us croissants and coffee. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ibx 2 #40 February 10, 2015 QuoteIsn't that exactly what you're doing right now? I dare you to find the argument in my post... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #41 February 10, 2015 tkhayesAnd atheism is NOT a religion, but it is another claim that the religious community likes to use. It is the ABSENCE of religion. Basic English language skills, usage and definitions. If atheism is a 'religion', then not smoking is a 'habit' and being unemployed is a 'job'. THE HELL IS ISNT!!!!"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,489 #42 February 10, 2015 You're on a roll in this thread! Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #43 February 10, 2015 tkhayes If atheism is a 'religion', then not smoking is a 'habit' and being unemployed is a 'job'. Speaking as a professional drug abuse counselor, that is exactly how those behaviors are treated.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tred 0 #44 February 10, 2015 RonD1120*** If atheism is a 'religion', then not smoking is a 'habit' and being unemployed is a 'job'. Speaking as a professional drug abuse counselor, that is exactly how those behaviors are treated. and that's how we should treat religion.. like a bad habit Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 800 #45 February 10, 2015 That's retarded. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tred 0 #46 February 10, 2015 your right and to be honest I have no problem with any ones beliefs, religion helps some people overcome horrible situations. its the ideologies that come with certain beliefs, yes muslims tend to have some very bad ones but there not the only ones. as mentioned above Christianity has been involved in some atrocities and also tells people who they have the right to spend there life with and that evolutionary science is not true ( which I believe is a disservice to tell children ) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #47 February 10, 2015 RonD1120*** If atheism is a 'religion', then not smoking is a 'habit' and being unemployed is a 'job'. Speaking as a professional drug abuse counselor, that is exactly how those behaviors are treated. Treated so by others, for the most part. Atheism is not a belief structure; it is the absence of spiritual belief, nothing more, nothing less. It is a mere vacuum of spiritual belief. It is don't-give-a-shitism, not unlike, for example Dudeism. And notwithstanding the occasional loud person like Madeline Murry O'Hair, and to refute the common accusation, the vast, vast, vast majority of atheists really don't give a shit one way or another about other people's religion; they just don't want it shoved in their faces like they're being drunk tea-bagged around the bonfire. On video. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #48 February 10, 2015 Since you live in the area, go talk to the folks at DACCO about the spiritual component of recovery.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #49 February 10, 2015 RonD1120Since you live in the area, go talk to the folks at DACCO about the spiritual component of recovery. I fully understand the notion of the psychological/emotional component of recovery. Even if an individual patient derives that from his personal belief system, that doesn't transform abstraction into fact. By and large, the beneficial effects of children's belief in Santa Claus probably outweigh the detrimental ones. But he's still just a mythical abstraction; the fact that a child earnestly believes him to be real and is even persuaded that she has seen evidence that he's real doesn't make him, in fact, real. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #50 February 10, 2015 However, radical Islamic terrorists are real and evil. We need leadership to annihilate them from the face of the earth, not lecture Christians as being on a "high horse."Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
