airdvr 210 #1 February 14, 2015 With nothing much better to do on a cold and blustery Ohio saturday I watch this documentary http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3040528/ I've never considered myself much of a conspiracy theorist and I laughed at how ridiculous Rhys looked in his 9/11 rants, but this one got me thinking. Next year will be the 20th anniversary. I don't think in 1996 we gave terrorists much credit for being resourceful. Clinton already had egg on his face from the '93 WTC bombing. I don't have much trouble imagining a political machine put into motion to cover this up. Still, I'm not convinced and I realize I watched a "documentary" that was tilted towards proving a cover-up of some degree, there's a lot of intelligent people who've examined the evidence and find fault with the center wing tank theory.Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #2 February 14, 2015 When you said Rhys I thought you ment Rudy Reyes. I was like god dammit, don't you tell me that BAMOFO is batshit crazy! Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jclalor 12 #3 February 14, 2015 A terrorist bomb? Not out of the realm of the impossible, accidently or purposely shot down by the US Government? That's batshit crazy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
quade 4 #4 February 14, 2015 Why feed the nut cases by even brining it up?quade - The World's Most Boring Skydiver Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #5 February 14, 2015 Not suggesting the government shot it down but possibly a politically motivated cover up.Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,523 #6 February 15, 2015 airdvrNot suggesting the government shot it down but possibly a politically motivated cover up. I highly doubt that would be possible. There would be someone who would leak it. (that's also one of the arguments against the 9/11 conspiracy bullshit - there's no way something that big could be kept secret) There were a lot of spooky coincidences that happened. The bomb residue coming from a "Bomb Dog Search Exercise" is just one of them. And it's just that, a strange coincidence. They did a pretty solid job of tracing the funky "click" in the comms to frayed wires in the center tank (and found the same frayed wires in the same spot in other planes). They also did a pretty amazing job of recovering a large percentage of the wreckage. Someone (NatGeo Channel? Discovery Channel? History Channel?) did a really good show on the whole investigation. They looked at all the conspiracy theories (mainly "bomb on board" and "shot down by the military") and did a thorough job of showing how & why the investigation rejected them and came to the conclusion it did."There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #7 February 15, 2015 airdvrNot suggesting the government shot it down but possibly a politically motivated cover up. No way the US government can keep anything like that secret through multiple administrations. Too many people would be in the know.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Speed-Flyer 0 #8 February 15, 2015 Operation Northwoods... Who leaked that? Only when it was declassified did it become public. Plenty of people knew about it. I do not know much about TWA 800, but there are plenty of cases where the government covers shit up. There is a lot that can be said for compartmentalization. Really the most crazy people are those that believe the words of politicians and the media. Although many are often wrong, those that question everything are less crazy than those that simply 'fall for it'. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,532 #9 February 15, 2015 Big difference between plans, even approved ones, and actual implementation. I'm sure there's dirty laundry out there, but it takes worker bees to actually make stuff happen, and lots of them to make large-scale stuff happen. Thirty people can keep a secret, especially if it's in their best interest. I don't really think more can, particularly now wth everyone paying for the airing of dirty secrets. Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Speed-Flyer 0 #10 February 15, 2015 Well the point was, that the joint chiefs of staff presented that to the president which in turn shows that the country was being run by psychopaths at that time. It did not happen because the president vetoed it. If the President did not then they may well have implemented this course of action. Do you really think they would not have considered the scope of the project and how they might implement not only the action but control the reaction, before presenting it to the president? Take operation mockingbird for example, systems were in place for cover ups since world war 2 ended and probably much earlier. I am not concluding anything about any particular incident, just pointing out that there are (or at least have been) psychopaths at the helm and that people should not dismiss anything based on rational thought. There is nothing rational about a psychopath whether they are in a dessert on the other side of the planet or working in the government. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #11 February 15, 2015 Speed-FlyerOperation Northwoods... Who leaked that? Only when it was declassified did it become public. Plenty of people knew about it. There are plenty of cockamamie ideas cooked up that never see the light of day. Since it wasn't implemented, no operatives were involved. TWA800, OTOH, actually happened. Too many people would have had to be involved for a conspiracy to stay secret this long. Snowden wasn't a chief, he was a low level indian. These are the guys who leak stuff.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sfzombie13 324 #12 February 15, 2015 you can say that all you want, but who's to say it isn't true, that it has been leaked, and all the talk about conspiracy theories is just the way they get most of the people doubting them. the only thing the government has to do to discredit you is label you with that. then, after the media (which is controlled by the same 100 or so people) start taking it up, forget about it ever being real, no matter if it was or not. most of the "people in the trenches" who actually make the things happen, are vested in the success of the thing, not in the thing becoming public knowledge. secrets can, and still do, happen every day._________________________________________ Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Speed-Flyer 0 #13 February 16, 2015 Quoteand all the talk about conspiracy theories is just the way they get most of the people doubting them The fact that this term is used to describe people that question dogma (implying they are wrong) and not those that believe more than one person conspired to commit a crime in itself is telling. This term has been coined specifically for the purposes of alienating anyone that dares question authority. In a literal sense, everyone is a conspiracy theorist. Unless they believe that every crime ever committed was done singlehandedly. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sfzombie13 324 #14 February 16, 2015 except that we both know it's not literal. i have had some first hand information on some of the things that happen in the government. not a lot, but enough to know that other things are not only possible, but likely. the world is not always a pretty place._________________________________________ Si hoc legere scis nimium eruditionis habes Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #15 February 16, 2015 http://videos.howstuffworks.com/discovery/31365-best-evidence-twa-flight-800-cia-animation-video.htmPlease don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Speed-Flyer 0 #16 February 16, 2015 Quoteexcept that we both know it's not literal I am pretty sure that most of the time people use the term conspiracy theory, they firstly use it as an implication that the said theory is wrong and secondly to discredit the person responsible for discussing the subject. I guess the term has a new meaning now... something long the lines of You are wrong, do not talk about this subject any longer or you will be ridiculed... It also is an invitation for others of the same ilk to come together and pressure this person into thinking otherwise. I am certainly hearing you on shady 'goings on' within the government, the excuse that something could not happen because we would know about it otherwise is a pretty weak one. Take even the concept of lobbyists for example, this is a legal way of buying our government. Who gives a shit about that, why do we vote? Why do we have government? What is the point when multi-billion dollar companies can buy our politicians, these politicians can blatantly lie and get away with it and the media owned by these multi-billion dollar corporations will swing the story in their favor anyway. And Joe Bloggs just listens to it thinking they live in a free society. People do not seem interested in the truth, they know the truth is too difficult to address and would rather live in an uninformed and comfortable existence. Hence the term conspiracy theory being used when one might have to question their view on something. Ignorance is bliss. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 226 #17 February 16, 2015 Speed-FlyerQuoteexcept that we both know it's not literal I am pretty sure that most of the time people use the term conspiracy theory, they firstly use it as an implication that the said theory is wrong and secondly to discredit the person responsible for discussing the subject. I guess the term has a new meaning now... something long the lines of You are wrong, do not talk about this subject any longer or you will be ridiculed... It also is an invitation for others of the same ilk to come together and pressure this person into thinking otherwise. I am certainly hearing you on shady 'goings on' within the government, the excuse that something could not happen because we would know about it otherwise is a pretty weak one. Take even the concept of lobbyists for example, this is a legal way of buying our government. Who gives a shit about that, why do we vote? Why do we have government? What is the point when multi-billion dollar companies can buy our politicians, these politicians can blatantly lie and get away with it and the media owned by these multi-billion dollar corporations will swing the story in their favor anyway. And Joe Bloggs just listens to it thinking they live in a free society. People do not seem interested in the truth, they know the truth is too difficult to address and would rather live in an uninformed and comfortable existence. Hence the term conspiracy theory being used when one might have to question their view on something. Ignorance is bliss. Sooooo, what are your thoughts on nano-Thermite?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Speed-Flyer 0 #18 February 16, 2015 exhibit a... But to answer the question; QuotePioneered by Wayne Danen and Steve Son at Los Alamos National Laboratory, Nano-thermite or "super-thermite" is a metastable intermolecular composite (MICs) characterized by a particle size of its main constituents, a metal and a metal oxide, under 100 nanometers. This allows for high and customizable reaction rates. Nano-thermites contain an oxidizer and a reducing agent, which are intimately mixed on the nanometer scale. MICs, including nano-thermitic materials, are a type of reactive materials investigated for military use, as well as for general applications involving propellants, explosives, and pyrotechnics. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,561 #19 February 16, 2015 You do realise that you're not an original thinker, you're just a programmed drone of the conspiracy theorist sub-culture parroting overused, entirely predictable ad-hom arguments and strawman positions, right? The vast majority of the time, when people disagree with your pet conspiracy theory it's not because they're afraid of the truth, it's because your theory is insane. Just like when people dismiss your pet 'high level cover-up' theory it's hardly ever because they think everyone in government is squeaky clean and on the level, it's because your theory is insane.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Speed-Flyer 0 #20 February 16, 2015 OK you are right. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yuC_4mGTs98 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 848 #21 February 16, 2015 copying and pasting an internet story isn't giving "your thoughts". Or is it...... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Speed-Flyer 0 #22 February 16, 2015 But I like puppy dogs and apple pie... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #23 February 16, 2015 I like turtlesPlease don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 848 #24 February 16, 2015 We need insanity warning for truther video links. Waste. Of. Time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Speed-Flyer 0 #25 February 16, 2015 You need some sanity... How is that war on terror working for ya? I suppose those that warned that this predicament would happen a decade ago are insane too. LOL Trillions of dollars, fuck knows how many lives and over a decade with a coalition consisting of the strongest most funded military force in the world and terror prevails... The war on terror2 (too) is about the start and the last one is still in full swing. Talk about full retard, and you have the audacity to call those that question the motive insane... Pure hypocrisy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
