ryoder 1,590 #1 February 17, 2015 Something interesting is how the thugs were playing to the audio recording by repeatedly yelling "Stop resisting!" and "You were trying to take my gun!", which doesn't even correlate to what is happening. http://dashcam.trendolizer.com/2015/01/marcus-jeter-of-bloomfield-nj-escapes-5-year-prison-sentence-after-dashcam-footage-clears-him.html"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
catfishhunter 2 #2 February 17, 2015 New Jersey is a cesspool. http://www.wnd.com/2015/02/man-72-faces-life-sentence-for-unloaded-antique-gun/ MAKE EVERY DAY COUNT Life is Short and we never know how long we are going to have. We must live life to the fullest EVERY DAY. Everything we do should have a greater purpose. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #3 February 17, 2015 Not too different from the example in the thread about excessive force used by an Alabama cop. You'll notice that, culturally, Alabama is about 17 light years away from New Jersey. Yet the issue is the same: excessive force by cops. This is a thread about excessive force used by cops in the US. It's not about guns, and it's not about take-a-bash at New Jersey. Oh, and if it helps, it's not about take-a-bash at San Francisco or Massachusetts or Nancy Pelosi or Al Sharpton or goddam commie liberals, either. It's about cops. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #4 February 17, 2015 Quote This is a thread about excessive force used by cops in the US. It's not about guns, and it's not about take-a-bash at New Jersey. Oh, and if it helps, it's not about take-a-bash at San Francisco or Massachusetts or Nancy Pelosi or Al Sharpton or goddam commie liberals, either. It's about cops. Can it be about commie liberal cops? If not, some people here won't know what to say.I'd be curious to hear from the posters like skycop who in the past have been very vocal supporters of police action. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #5 February 17, 2015 DanG Quote This is a thread about excessive force used by cops in the US. It's not about guns, and it's not about take-a-bash at New Jersey. Oh, and if it helps, it's not about take-a-bash at San Francisco or Massachusetts or Nancy Pelosi or Al Sharpton or goddam commie liberals, either. It's about cops. Can it be about commie liberal cops? If not, some people here won't know what to say. Don't worry; He didn't rule out Mooslims."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,026 #6 February 17, 2015 ryoderSomething interesting is how the thugs were playing to the audio recording by repeatedly yelling "Stop resisting!" and "You were trying to take my gun!", which doesn't even correlate to what is happening. http://dashcam.trendolizer.com/2015/01/marcus-jeter-of-bloomfield-nj-escapes-5-year-prison-sentence-after-dashcam-footage-clears-him.html AND an internal investigation cleared the thugs of any wrongdoing. This is not just two bad apples, it is a systemic culture of corruption.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #7 February 17, 2015 Yea because all cops are thug criminals, just like all skydivers are lunatics with death wishes. Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #8 February 17, 2015 AnvilbrotherYea because all cops are thug criminals, just like all skydivers are lunatics with death wishes. And of course... he never said that, so your comment is, well, valueless. His message is that the predictable integrity of "investigations" of what is essentially oneself is generally suspect, and often fundamentally fatally flawed, because of rather obvious inherent conflicts of interest. Perhaps you'd like to address that. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #9 February 17, 2015 QuoteThis is not just two bad apples, it is a systemic culture of corruption. Sounded like he was saying this problem is not contained to just these two cops and that the entire police culture was corrupt to me. I don't know it was his words not mine. Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,489 #10 February 17, 2015 QuoteSounded like he was saying this problem is not contained to just these two cops and that the entire police culture was corrupt to me. There is a vast, vast gulf between 'two people' and 'everyone'. Similarly, a description of systemic corruption does not require every cop on the force to be corrupt, much less a violent thug.* Rather, it means that there is regular misconduct which has been accepted within the organisation as 'the way things are done' - whether that's the use of excessive force, or just looking out for a brother officer. And when even the Internal Affairs department can be described as scandal ridden, and has all its investigations taken away and officers reassigned then it is highly unlikely that there was nothing dodgy going on. * Which wouldn't even follow from a reasonable misunderstanding of Kallend's post, and you know it.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,990 #11 February 17, 2015 >Sounded like he was saying this problem is not contained to just these two >cops and that the entire police culture was corrupt to me. I don't know it was >his words not mine. I thought he said there were systemic problems - which based on recent events, it seems to be. One bad cop? A bad apple. Three bad cops? A few bad apples. Ten? Might be a problem. A dozen a year? Time to look for the systemic problems. (That's not to say that all, or even most, cops are bad. But the system that allows these incidents, and then tries to cover them up, is broken.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #12 February 17, 2015 To be clear, there were three cops on scene: 1. Sutterlin (car#1) pled guilty to tampering with records, retired 2. Courter (car#1) indicted: official misconduct, conspiracy, tampering with records, false swearing 3. Trinidad (car#2) indicted: official misconduct, conspiracy, tampering with records, false swearing, aggravated assault"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,523 #13 February 17, 2015 Andy9o8 ...This is a thread about excessive force used by cops in the US. It's not about guns, and it's not about take-a-bash at New Jersey. Oh, and if it helps, it's not about take-a-bash at San Francisco or Massachusetts or Nancy Pelosi or Al Sharpton or goddam commie liberals, either. It's about cops. How about St Louis? How about "Hold up a second, we're being recorded. Wait until I turn the dash cam off before we beat the crap out of this guy" http://abcnews.go.com/US/driver-allegedly-beaten-st-louis-police-officer-turns/story?id=29015173"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
champu 1 #14 February 18, 2015 Andy9o8...this is a thread about excessive force used ... in the US ... about guns ... if it helps goddam commie liberals... Why are you bringing up guns? Get your mind away from Guns! Stop derailing the thread! Stop derailing the thread! Why are you derailing the thread!?! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skycop 0 #15 February 18, 2015 QuoteI'd be curious to hear from the posters like skycop who in the past have been very vocal supporters of police action. What would you like me to say? I've said this many times in these forums, when cops do dumb or criminal shit they should be disciplined, fired, or in some cases criminally charged. "Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,489 #16 February 18, 2015 I think in more cases criminally charged. Take Sutterlin in this case - he admitted trying to put someone he knew was innocent in jail for 5 years. To me, that's worse than the beating. I would say it's on a par with kidnapping except that a kidnapping victim doesn't end up with a criminal record (and all of its consequences) for the rest of their life as well. And what happens to Sutterlin, he just retires. Great Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mik 2 #17 February 18, 2015 billvon One bad cop? A bad apple. Three bad cops? A few bad apples. Ten? Might be a problem. A dozen a year? Time to look for the systemic problems. The following makes interesting "bad apple"- related reading http://www.wlv.ac.uk/media/wlv/pdf/lssc-bsc-present-m-punch.pdf *********************************************** I'm NOT totally useless... I can be used as a bad example Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #18 February 18, 2015 QuoteWhat would you like me to say? I've said this many times in these forums, when cops do dumb or criminal shit they should be disciplined, fired, or in some cases criminally charged Just to clarify: When cops do criminal shit they should be charged criminally in some cases? Why should they not be criminally charged in all cases they do criminal shit? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIGUN 1,300 #19 February 18, 2015 billvonI thought he said there were systemic problems - which based on recent events, it seems to be. One bad cop? A bad apple. Three bad cops? A few bad apples. Ten? Might be a problem. A dozen a year? Time to look for the systemic problems. (That's not to say that all, or even most, cops are bad. But the system that allows these incidents, and then tries to cover them up, is broken.) I "think" AnvilBrother was attempting to make an analogy between any societal systemic "problems." Let's try this another way... One bad Zombie? A bad apple. Three bad Zombies? A few bad apples. Ten? Might be a problem. A dozen a year? Time to look for the systemic problems. Having said that, what's missing is that Police have a standard of duty and responsibility that goes above that of the average citizen. There's also numerous police who have received meritorious service medals for life-saving actions and many whom have died in the line of duty. To date... this year, there have already been 14 police who have died in the line of duty. I question if the systemic problems aren't that of self-preservation and survival. I have a brother-in-law who was a cop in a large metro area. Being Hispanic, he was put in the predominately low-income Hispanic section of town. He spent ten years in that rough part of town. After seven years, he began requesting transfers to another part of town because he knew he was getting wound up too tight before each shift. His words were, "I want to transfer for awhile where my biggest concern before shift is if I'm going to get a paper cut from writing tickets." In his tenth year, it happened. He was in a Wal-Mart in uniform on a shoplifting call in that part of town when a twelve year old Hispanic kid came around from behind the aisle with a toy gun and threw it up at him and told him to freeze. Fortunately, he saw the orange cap on the toy gun and the kid got a very deserved ass-chewing in spanish. The mother filed a complaint and filed suit. He was forced to resign. Over time and after the initial pissed off; he began to change. He became an HVAC and Electrical Technician. More relaxed, joking and most importantly; he wasn't constantly "On high alert." If we're going to look at the systemic problems; then let's look at the whole system and not segments of the whole.Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #20 February 18, 2015 Yeah but educating your society properly and ensuring they are healthy takes tax money. You (meaning the American society) tend to prefer to either not spend that, or spend it on military equipment or war. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIGUN 1,300 #21 February 18, 2015 Or, we could retain the 58 Billion in tax dollars we give in the way of foreign aid every year.Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #22 February 18, 2015 BIGUNOr, we could retain the 58 Billion in tax dollars we give in the way of foreign aid every year. That's the mindset! Keep fighting and spending on military might and reduce any spending on helping people. I am sure that will quickly help your society become healthier, better educated and less prone to violence. Cop violence will dramatically decrease soon after. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
champu 1 #23 February 18, 2015 SkyDekkerYeah but educating your society properly and ensuring they are healthy takes tax money. You (meaning the American society) tend to prefer to either not spend that, or spend it on military equipment or war. Well, doing everything takes money. What goes on the list of things that takes tax money is obviously subject to lengthy debate. But you're absolutely wrong that we prefer to not spend money. We throw money at everything in fucking spades... http://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/indicator_cmd.asp http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_health_expenditure_(PPP)_per_capita http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditure_per_capita Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #24 February 18, 2015 champu***Yeah but educating your society properly and ensuring they are healthy takes tax money. You (meaning the American society) tend to prefer to either not spend that, or spend it on military equipment or war. Well, doing everything takes money. What goes on the list of things that takes tax money is obviously subject to lengthy debate. But you're absolutely wrong that we prefer to not spend money. We throw money at everything in fucking spades... http://nces.ed.gov/programs/coe/indicator_cmd.asp http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_total_health_expenditure_(PPP)_per_capita http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_expenditure_per_capita Yes you do. You guys love funneling tax payers money at quadruple the costs to private instututions. The best system money can buy, at least if you own part or all of the privatized institution. I think you may have also missed the point behind the post. But that's probably due to my own poor wording. You guys obviously do a bang up job taking care of your society! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIGUN 1,300 #25 February 18, 2015 America Bad. Canada Good. Got it.Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
