Won't see this on the national news

[skycop 0]

http://m.reviewjournal.com/news/las-vegas/air-force-veteran-fired-23-shots-he-was-killed-police

They tried to negotiate with this guy for 50 minutes, all the while he was firing shots. It ended badly for him, and I'm sure many will still blame the police.

I actually worked with this guy for a short time during my military career, didn't know him.

We had a similar incident in our area a couple years ago where a vet came unhinged, the agency used an MRAP as rolling cover. He shot the MRAP up, and eventually was wounded and taken into custody after opening fire after numerous hours of negotiations.
My point being in both cases responding officers showed incredible restraint at the cost of their personal safety. You never see reoccurring 24 hour news cycle coverage of these situations.

The sad thing is this is how the vast majority of these situations are handled, by using incredible restraint. The 24 hour news cycle would lead you to believe the opposite.

"Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

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skycop

http://m.reviewjournal.com/news/las-vegas/air-force-veteran-fired-23-shots-he-was-killed-police

They tried to negotiate with this guy for 50 minutes, all the while he was firing shots. It ended badly for him, and I'm sure many will still blame the police.

I actually worked with this guy for a short time during my military career, didn't know him.

We had a similar incident in our area a couple years ago where a vet came unhinged, the agency used an MRAP as rolling cover. He shot the MRAP up, and eventually was wounded and taken into custody after opening fire after numerous hours of negotiations.
My point being in both cases responding officers showed incredible restraint at the cost of their personal safety. You never see reoccurring 24 hour news cycle coverage of these situations.

The sad thing is this is how the vast majority of these situations are handled, by using incredible restraint. The 24 hour news cycle would lead you to believe the opposite.

The 24 hour news cycle doesn't report when I do my job correctly, either.

cavete terrae.

[lawrocket 3]

Police are expected to handle their work correctly. When they don't it makes news.

Airplanes don't make news when they take off and land without incident, either. An airline that bitches that the news only covers when it kills people would probably be viewed as whiney.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[skycop 0]

Correctly is a matter of opinion and perception, my entire point. The agenda pushed by the 24 hour news cycle is to sell ad space, not report relevant facts.


Did Darren Wilson do his job correctly?

"Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

[SkyDekker 1,465]

skycop

Correctly is a matter of opinion and perception, my entire point. The agenda pushed by the 24 hour news cycle is to sell ad space, not report relevant facts.


Did Darren Wilson do his job correctly?

You say this like it is a bad thing?

[rushmc 23]

lawrocket

Police are expected to handle their work correctly. When they don't it makes news.

Airplanes don't make news when they take off and land without incident, either. An airline that bitches that the news only covers when it kills people would probably be viewed as whiney.

But when an airplane crashes it is reported as more of a rare incident

When a cop makes a bad move it is reported as if it happens everyday

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[grue 1]

rushmc

When a cop makes a bad move it is reported as if it happens everyday

Statistically speaking, it probably does.

cavete terrae.

[rushmc 23]

grue

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When a cop makes a bad move it is reported as if it happens everyday

Statistically speaking, it probably does.

If true, the news would be similar day to day

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[grue 1]

skycop

Did Darren Wilson do his job correctly?

Maybe. I wasn't there, so I can't say for sure.

cavete terrae.

[lawrocket 3]

rushmc

***Police are expected to handle their work correctly. When they don't it makes news.

Airplanes don't make news when they take off and land without incident, either. An airline that bitches that the news only covers when it kills people would probably be viewed as whiney.

But when an airplane crashes it is reported as more of a rare incident

When a cop makes a bad move it is reported as if it happens everyday

Cops make bad moves every day. Cops don't have to kill people to make bad moves. We hear about near misses with airplanes. About runway incursions. And we know about things like cockpit resource management and the facing of cold facts in order to make things safer.

We are also hearing a lot lately about pilots being unable to handle some basic and simple issues. Even about pilots unable to manually fly an airplane killing people. People wanting to make pilots better. To make airlines better. For public safety and perception.

Why should cops be treated differently? Cops have a tough job. I seriously doubt I could do it. But when cops fuck up it should be discussed how to prevent it from happening.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[grue 1]

rushmc

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When a cop makes a bad move it is reported as if it happens everyday

Statistically speaking, it probably does.

If true, the news would be similar day to day

All else being equal, yes. However, that's not the case, as there are many other factors in what gets reported, besides what is happening.

cavete terrae.

[rushmc 23]

lawrocket

******Police are expected to handle their work correctly. When they don't it makes news.

Airplanes don't make news when they take off and land without incident, either. An airline that bitches that the news only covers when it kills people would probably be viewed as whiney.

But when an airplane crashes it is reported as more of a rare incident

When a cop makes a bad move it is reported as if it happens everyday

Cops make bad moves every day. Cops don't have to kill people to make bad moves. We hear about near misses with airplanes. About runway incursions. And we know about things like cockpit resource management and the facing of cold facts in order to make things safer.

We are also hearing a lot lately about pilots being unable to handle some basic and simple issues. Even about pilots unable to manually fly an airplane killing people. People wanting to make pilots better. To make airlines better. For public safety and perception.

Why should cops be treated differently? Cops have a tough job. I seriously doubt I could do it. But when cops fuck up it should be discussed how to prevent it from happening.

I agree with everything you post but, cop issues are reported as if all cops are bad and only a few are good
In reality, it is opposite of this

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[lawrocket 3]

I disagree. Cops get treated fairly well. Every time there is a major crime reported, there are cops discussing what is going on and the steps being taken. When a cop is killed LOD, the funeral procession is covered as police from all over the state/country show up for it while the hero is honored for the sacrifice.

And you've got cops putting forth info about a justifiable shooting. The vast majority of reporting is positive toward police, negative toward the perps. It's why the negative police stories stand out.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[skycop 0]

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Why should cops be treated differently? Cops have a tough job. I seriously doubt I could do it. But when cops fuck up it should be discussed how to prevent it from happening.

Exactly, why should they be treated differently.

Do you condemn the entire profession when a pilot fucks up? A doctor?
The answer is no.

I've never said things should never be questioned to prevent them from happening again. I've been in critical incident debriefs that were absolutely brutal, and these were for events that had gone relatively well. As a tactical team we were always looking to improve.

Questioning authority is a good thing, I've never said it's not. But the media can be very disingenuous when it comes to reporting law enforcement issues.

In one paragraph you basically call me a whiner, then say you couldn't do this job.

All LEO's want is balanced reporting and the benefit of the doubt in incredibly difficult and dangerous situations.

"Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

[rushmc 23]

lawrocket

I disagree. Cops get treated fairly well. Every time there is a major crime reported, there are cops discussing what is going on and the steps being taken. When a cop is killed LOD, the funeral procession is covered as police from all over the state/country show up for it while the hero is honored for the sacrifice.

And you've got cops putting forth info about a justifiable shooting. The vast majority of reporting is positive toward police, negative toward the perps. It's why the negative police stories stand out.

Ferguson stands in direct conflict to what you post here
This cop did nothing wrong
Look what happened to him

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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Exactly, why should they be treated differently.

Then you have to stop with the other side of the coin too.

Do construction workers killed in the workplace get tax payer funded funerals, with processions and parades where they get lauded for being heros?

[rushmc 23]

SkyDekker

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Exactly, why should they be treated differently.

Then you have to stop with the other side of the coin too.

Do construction workers killed in the workplace get tax payer funded funerals, with processions and parades where they get lauded for being heros?

If they are CB's they do

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[skycop 0]

When they make mistakes, apples meet oranges.............

"Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

[grue 1]

rushmc

*********Police are expected to handle their work correctly. When they don't it makes news.

Airplanes don't make news when they take off and land without incident, either. An airline that bitches that the news only covers when it kills people would probably be viewed as whiney.

But when an airplane crashes it is reported as more of a rare incident

When a cop makes a bad move it is reported as if it happens everyday

Cops make bad moves every day. Cops don't have to kill people to make bad moves. We hear about near misses with airplanes. About runway incursions. And we know about things like cockpit resource management and the facing of cold facts in order to make things safer.

We are also hearing a lot lately about pilots being unable to handle some basic and simple issues. Even about pilots unable to manually fly an airplane killing people. People wanting to make pilots better. To make airlines better. For public safety and perception.

Why should cops be treated differently? Cops have a tough job. I seriously doubt I could do it. But when cops fuck up it should be discussed how to prevent it from happening.

I agree with everything you post but, cop issues are reported as if all cops are bad and only a few are good
In reality, it is opposite of this

In reality, only a small portion of the public are violent criminals, and yet we aren't allowed to get decent tint on windows in a lot of place to "protect the police", or no-knock raids are used to knock down doors and flashbangs are thrown in cribs.

Not so fun when you're assumed to be bad because of other people, is it?

cavete terrae.

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skycop

Correctly is a matter of opinion and perception, my entire point. The agenda pushed by the 24 hour news cycle is to sell ad space, not report relevant facts.


Did Darren Wilson do his job correctly?

Well, according to the DOJ investigation, yes.

They released their report this week. The shooting was considered justified. They found no evidence that MB was trying to surrender, or get away. They found that DW was reasonably in fear for his life when he pulled the trigger.

HOWEVER...

They found serious problems in the Ferguson PD. Some very blatant racism, including in departmental e-mails.

Seriously high percentages of stops, arrests, citations and convictions of black people. Way out of line with the population.

And to be honest, neither of those findings surprised me much.

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[lawrocket 3]

skycop

All LEO's want is ... the benefit of the doubt in incredibly difficult and dangerous situations.

Coincidentally, this is exactly what people dealing with the police want. And when the police don't give that benefit to people the police get problems.

I hadn't heard of the Vegas incident until you posted the response. I heard about the cops who got shot a few months ago. A local cop here was killed in Vegas last year and we had lots of news on that. We have a few officer involved shootings per year here. A friend of mine was involved with one many years ago and had to kill a guy. It'll make the late night news. Then be forgotten the next day.

But when a cop is shot it certainly gets some press mention. There was actually an incident here a couple weeks ago where a local Sheriff's lieutenant left his handgun out and his young kid shot his younger kid in the chest. The deputy didn't even get paid administrative leave. Man couple of years ago some private citizen's young kid shot another young kid with a gun hat was left accessible. This guy got serious jail time and hardcore parole searches and the like.

This was the topic of conversation due to the disparate treatment. And there were plenty of people defending this cop with the whole let's not pass judgment thing.

Events like this don't disabuse the public of a perception that there is a double standard.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[skycop 0]

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They found serious problems in the Ferguson PD. Some very blatant racism, including in departmental e-mails.

Seriously high percentages of stops, arrests, citations and convictions of black people. Way out of line with the population.

And to be honest, neither of those findings surprised me much.

A bunch of lawyers who want to climb the corporate ladder, politically appointed, from Washington DC descend on a town.
And you don't think they are going to find SOMETHING to justify their existence. They came blazing looking for criminal charges, they could not justify those, so they give this.
Not surprising.

I'm not saying Ferguson didn't have problems, the racial components to this are many and varied.

"Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

[SkyDekker 1,465]

skycop

When they make mistakes, apples meet oranges.............

Right....but when cops make mistakes, all of a sudden it is apples meet apples.

[lawrocket 3]

Grue nailed it. Cops assume everyone in the public is a threat and treat them as such. Thus, the public responds in kind.

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[skycop 0]

No,
You and Grue assume every cop thinks everyone in the public is a threat.

"Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"