cvfd1399 0 #26 April 5, 2015 QuoteWell, the impulse to save money on his defense is what ended up with this innocent man being locked up unjustly on death row for so many year. That doesn't apply to what I said. In my argument a guy is caught stone cold guilty, but lives 20-30 years at our expense for a crime that warrants death, but never gets it due to legal tieups. It wasnt an argument against or for anything, was just throwing it out there as another breakdown in that system. Some get unjustly punished, some go unjustly unpunished. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skycop 0 #27 April 5, 2015 Because someone who shoots their girlfriend to pieces with a shotgun in front of their daughter, because he was drunk and she wouldn't let him go fishing..........then have no remorse. Or the guy who shoots his wife, then lures his daughter and her boyfriend back to the house, then shoots her in the face and him in the head. Yep, they deserve to live the rest of their lives on the taxpayers dime. Believe it or not, I'm not a huge death penalty proponent, but in many cases it is justly deserved. I was involved in both the above cases, there was absolutely no question in the guilt of both these guys. They were both cold heartless killers, period. There were several others, but these two stand out as poster children for the death penalty. In the first case the guy only got 35yrs, in the other a life sentence. "Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,497 #28 April 5, 2015 QuoteBelieve it or not, I'm not a huge death penalty proponent, but in many cases it is justly deserved. I was involved in both the above cases, there was absolutely no question in the guilt of both these guys. They were both cold heartless killers, period. Yeah, sure it's deserved - but is it right? And you know the guys who've been released from death row because they were innocent - do you think in those cases the cops and prosecutors said there was some doubt as to their guilt, or no doubt as to their guilt?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grue 1 #29 April 5, 2015 skycopBecause someone who shoots their girlfriend to pieces with a shotgun in front of their daughter, because he was drunk and she wouldn't let him go fishing..........then have no remorse. Or the guy who shoots his wife, then lures his daughter and her boyfriend back to the house, then shoots her in the face and him in the head. Yep, they deserve to live the rest of their lives on the taxpayers dime. Believe it or not, I'm not a huge death penalty proponent, but in many cases it is justly deserved. I was involved in both the above cases, there was absolutely no question in the guilt of both these guys. They were both cold heartless killers, period. There were several others, but these two stand out as poster children for the death penalty. In the first case the guy only got 35yrs, in the other a life sentence. What would killing them have improved? Nothing. It doesn't bring back the dead. It doesn't save money. It doesn't deter others. Hell, if you aren't religious (read as: gullible), you can even see it as an easy way out. A few minutes of fear and discomfort followed by nothingness, vs decades of life in a cage? I know which one of those sounds worse to me, and it ain't the one that has the quick way out. it is absolutely 100% useless from a logical standpoint. It only makes sense to people making decisions based on emotion, which is generally a stupid thing to do.cavete terrae. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 221 #30 April 6, 2015 jakeeQuoteBelieve it or not, I'm not a huge death penalty proponent, but in many cases it is justly deserved. I was involved in both the above cases, there was absolutely no question in the guilt of both these guys. They were both cold heartless killers, period. Yeah, sure it's deserved - but is it right? And you know the guys who've been released from death row because they were innocent - do you think in those cases the cops and prosecutors said there was some doubt as to their guilt, or no doubt as to their guilt? If it's deserved, then it is right.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #31 April 6, 2015 turtlespeed***QuoteBelieve it or not, I'm not a huge death penalty proponent, but in many cases it is justly deserved. I was involved in both the above cases, there was absolutely no question in the guilt of both these guys. They were both cold heartless killers, period. Yeah, sure it's deserved - but is it right? And you know the guys who've been released from death row because they were innocent - do you think in those cases the cops and prosecutors said there was some doubt as to their guilt, or no doubt as to their guilt? If it's deserved, then it is right. How can anyone know what is deserved when police and prosecutors engage in systematic deceit and the system is weighted against the poor?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #32 April 6, 2015 kallendHow can anyone now what is deserved when police and prosecutors engage in systematic deceit and the system is weighted against the poor? you mean right now? ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 801 #33 April 6, 2015 What? Cops get treated differently???? I'd love to know why the killer in this case wasn't charged with Second Degree Murder. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,497 #34 April 6, 2015 turtlespeed***QuoteBelieve it or not, I'm not a huge death penalty proponent, but in many cases it is justly deserved. I was involved in both the above cases, there was absolutely no question in the guilt of both these guys. They were both cold heartless killers, period. Yeah, sure it's deserved - but is it right? And you know the guys who've been released from death row because they were innocent - do you think in those cases the cops and prosecutors said there was some doubt as to their guilt, or no doubt as to their guilt? If it's deserved, then it is right. But is it right to institute that system? And it's not about being a bleeding heart liberal about the genuine criminals who are being murdered because really my position is quite selfish. It's based on 'what if it happened to me?' Now, I'm quite sure that Skycop is being completely truthful, the evidence is cast iron and there is no doubt that the criminals in his referenced cases are guilty. But what do cops and prosecutors say when they go to trial with shaky evidence? 'There's no doubt.'Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #35 April 25, 2015 And yet another? www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/2015/0425/Alabama-death-row-inmate-Another-innocent-man Same judge and prosecutor as the last guy to be freed.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,523 #36 April 25, 2015 kallend And yet another? www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/2015/0425/Alabama-death-row-inmate-Another-innocent-man Same judge and prosecutor as the last guy to be freed. Kind of a shame that the cops and prosecutor in the case can't and/or won't be held responsible. Maybe give them 27 years."There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
