rehmwa 2 #26 April 6, 2015 lawrockethttp://m.nydailynews.com/news/politics/senator-anarchist-cookbook-deleted-internet-article-1.2173566 Banning books now? The book wasn't bannable in 1971 but is now? Way to drum up interest in the book, Senator. oh look, a fanatical and power hungry politician that's out of touch with reality wants to control what people see, read and think..... and expects it to work..... nothing to see here, business as usual ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #27 April 6, 2015 rehmwa oh look, a fanatical and power hungry politician that's out of touch with reality ..... At least 537 people in DC alone fit that description. Then factor in 50 state capitals.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #28 April 6, 2015 kallendAt least 537 people in DC alone fit that description. Then factor in 50 state capitals. you're being kind with that number ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boomerdog 0 #29 April 6, 2015 Which Bay Area? Some folks in Maryland call the environs around the Chesapeake "The Bay Area." But I take it you're talking about the San Francisco Bay Area. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,447 #30 April 6, 2015 And I live in Houston's Bay Area, just a couple of miles from Bay Area Blvd Wendy P. There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #31 April 6, 2015 BoomerdogWhich Bay Area? Some folks in Maryland call the environs around the Chesapeake "The Bay Area." But I take it you're talking about the San Francisco Bay Area. All others are pale imitations.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Boomerdog 0 #32 April 6, 2015 You get the gold star! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #33 April 6, 2015 BoomerdogWhich Bay Area? Some folks in Maryland call the environs around the Chesapeake "The Bay Area." But I take it you're talking about the San Francisco Bay Area. It's right near the Tri-State region. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grue 1 #34 April 6, 2015 Andy9o8***Feinstein should suck-start a shotgun and log out of the world of the living. Whoa. Steady as she goes there, pardner. Give yourself time to adjust to being back. People who attempt censorship are among the absolute worst of humanity. If I were gullible enough to believe in hell, it's the place I'd wish them to. Feinstein is consistently awful in plenty of ways, but this is… ugh.cavete terrae. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
regulator 0 #35 April 6, 2015 Do the local steak houses serve tri-tip? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #36 April 7, 2015 Streisand Effect in 3..2...1... Feinstein. Is this a legitimate quote or is it a troll? If it's legitimate, it has to make one wonder what universe this person is living in. I mean, 2x wrong in a single statement. Somebody tell me this is a misquote or out of context. Please. mh ."The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #37 April 7, 2015 QuotePeople who attempt censorship are among the absolute worst of humanity. No country allows everything to be printed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grue 1 #38 April 7, 2015 SkyDekkerQuotePeople who attempt censorship are among the absolute worst of humanity. No country allows everything to be printed. What's your point? Every country is run by assholes? Yes, I agree. I'd like to minimize the assholery, personally.cavete terrae. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #39 April 7, 2015 grue***QuotePeople who attempt censorship are among the absolute worst of humanity. No country allows everything to be printed. What's your point? Every country is run by assholes? Yes, I agree. I'd like to minimize the assholery, personally. My point is that every society should get to decide what they deem to be acceptable in their society. Labelling those who believe child pornography should not be widely and freely available as the "absolute worst of humanity" I don't think is very fair. I also doubt you hold that opinion in that case. Hence, we have likely already agreed that some level of censorship is acceptable. Other societies may believe that writings that call for the extermination of a race, or group should not be widely available. I also wouldn't label that as the absolute worst of humanity, though I fully understand the argument in favour of having it widely available. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #40 April 7, 2015 grue***QuotePeople who attempt censorship are among the absolute worst of humanity. No country allows everything to be printed. What's your point? Every country is run by assholes? Yes, I agree. I'd like to minimize the assholery, personally. Perhaps you can start by telling Feinstein's grandchildren why you want their grammy to shoot herself to death with a shotgun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grue 1 #41 April 7, 2015 SkyDekker******QuotePeople who attempt censorship are among the absolute worst of humanity. No country allows everything to be printed. What's your point? Every country is run by assholes? Yes, I agree. I'd like to minimize the assholery, personally. My point is that every society should get to decide what they deem to be acceptable in their society. Labelling those who believe child pornography should not be widely and freely available as the "absolute worst of humanity" I don't think is very fair. I also doubt you hold that opinion in that case. Hence, we have likely already agreed that some level of censorship is acceptable. Other societies may believe that writings that call for the extermination of a race, or group should not be widely available. I also wouldn't label that as the absolute worst of humanity, though I fully understand the argument in favour of having it widely available. The creation of child pornography is an impingement on the life and liberty of a person without that person's consent, so it is justifiable to block it. Political protest books, how-to manuals (including those to help people commit suicide), and books about how terrible a given group are do not qualify, in my opinion. "I disagree with what you say, but I will defend to my death your right to say it", etc.cavete terrae. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grue 1 #42 April 7, 2015 Andy9o8******QuotePeople who attempt censorship are among the absolute worst of humanity. No country allows everything to be printed. What's your point? Every country is run by assholes? Yes, I agree. I'd like to minimize the assholery, personally. Perhaps you can start by telling Feinstein's grandchildren why you want their grammy to shoot herself to death with a shotgun. Sure. "Your grandmother has dedicated her life's work to making the country a worse place. She supports murder by the state, she supports censorship by the state, and she supports violation of civil liberties in general by the state. She does not care about the right to free speech, which is one of the most important principles upon which our society is based. I don't think she should be harmed or killed by others, but if she were to kill herself she would finally do something to make the country a better place."cavete terrae. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #43 April 7, 2015 grue*********QuotePeople who attempt censorship are among the absolute worst of humanity. No country allows everything to be printed. What's your point? Every country is run by assholes? Yes, I agree. I'd like to minimize the assholery, personally. Perhaps you can start by telling Feinstein's grandchildren why you want their grammy to shoot herself to death with a shotgun. Sure. "Your grandmother has dedicated her life's work to making the country a worse place. She supports murder by the state, she supports censorship by the state, and she supports violation of civil liberties in general by the state. She does not care about the right to free speech, which is one of the most important principles upon which our society is based. I don't think she should be harmed or killed by others, but if she were to kill herself she would finally do something to make the country a better place." Welcome back. You'll do well here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #44 April 7, 2015 QuoteThe creation of child pornography is an impingement on the life and liberty of a person without that person's consent, so it is justifiable to block it. Except that simulated child pornography is illegal as well, so that argument isn't valid in this case. My point remains that those who attempt censorship are nowhere near the absolute worst of humanity. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grue 1 #45 April 7, 2015 SkyDekkerQuoteThe creation of child pornography is an impingement on the life and liberty of a person without that person's consent, so it is justifiable to block it. Except that simulated child pornography is illegal as well, so that argument isn't valid in this case. My point remains that those who attempt censorship are nowhere near the absolute worst of humanity. I think that simulated child pornography being illegal makes no rational sense, and don't understand why they bothered. Your point is, like mine, a matter of opinion. Censorship is a truly horrible, evil thing as far as I'm concerned and not much is likely to change that belief.cavete terrae. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #46 April 7, 2015 QuoteI think that simulated child pornography being illegal makes no rational sense, and don't understand why they bothered. I think it makes perfect sense. If it wasn't then prosecution would have to prove the actual act took place. It would make prosecution of possession of child pornography significantly harder. Censoring computer generated, life like child pornography makes perfect sense. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grue 1 #47 April 7, 2015 SkyDekkerQuoteI think that simulated child pornography being illegal makes no rational sense, and don't understand why they bothered. I think it makes perfect sense. If it wasn't then prosecution would have to prove the actual act took place. It would make prosecution of possession of child pornography significantly harder. Censoring computer generated, life like child pornography makes perfect sense. So we should make more things illegal to make the job of cops and prosecutors easier? Gonna have to go ahead and disagree with ya there, Bob. Better make apple juice illegal for minors to drink. Looks too much like beer.cavete terrae. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #48 April 8, 2015 grue***QuoteI think that simulated child pornography being illegal makes no rational sense, and don't understand why they bothered. I think it makes perfect sense. If it wasn't then prosecution would have to prove the actual act took place. It would make prosecution of possession of child pornography significantly harder. Censoring computer generated, life like child pornography makes perfect sense. So we should make more things illegal to make the job of cops and prosecutors easier? Gonna have to go ahead and disagree with ya there, Bob. Better make apple juice illegal for minors to drink. Looks too much like beer. Strawman. I didn't say that. You said it didn't make any rational sense. I outlined how it does make rational sense. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
grue 1 #49 April 8, 2015 SkyDekker******QuoteI think that simulated child pornography being illegal makes no rational sense, and don't understand why they bothered. I think it makes perfect sense. If it wasn't then prosecution would have to prove the actual act took place. It would make prosecution of possession of child pornography significantly harder. Censoring computer generated, life like child pornography makes perfect sense. So we should make more things illegal to make the job of cops and prosecutors easier? Gonna have to go ahead and disagree with ya there, Bob. Better make apple juice illegal for minors to drink. Looks too much like beer. Strawman. I didn't say that. You said it didn't make any rational sense. I outlined how it does make rational sense. Touché. It's a terrible rationalization that I completely disagree with, but then again, people rationalize believing in all sorts of silly shit.cavete terrae. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
