Facts about Republican support for our enemies

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Regular people who have an interest in serving the greater good, not their self interest.

There aren't enough, if any people like that. Greed is the reason both capitalism and communism don't work without a (metric?) ton of regulation.

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Driver1

***In New England, real Yankees are from Maine

Wendy P.

A friend in NOLA says everybody north of I-10 are damn yankees.

Um, City Park is north of I-10 in NOLA! As is Carrollton. Still NOLA!

Yankee territory starting at the north shore of the lake? Yeah, I'd buy that!

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Anvilbrother

[start reading] President Obama says republicans [\stop reading]

Here is an excerpt from the article, since you have an especially bad case of ODS.

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If you study Republican behavior over the past quarter-century, you’ll find that the image of conservative lawmakers standing resolutely for American strength and unity is a myth. Republicans support wars launched by Republican presidents. When Democratic presidents undertake wars or negotiations, Republicans generally attempt to sabotage them. In fact, Republicans often side with our enemies.

President Clinton faced one big war. In 1999, he sought to enlist the United States in NATO’s air campaign in Serbia. The campaign aimed to stop the ethnic cleansing of Muslims in Kosovo. When a resolution authorizing U.S. participation in the war came before the Senate, Democrats voted for it, 42 to 3. Republicans voted against it, 38 to 16. The resolution went through, but it failed a month later with a tie vote in the House. Democrats voted for the resolution, 181 to 25. Republicans voted against it, 187 to 31.

Four of the five Republican leaders in Congress—Senate Majority Leader Trent Lott, Senate Majority Whip Don Nickles, House Majority Leader Dick Armey, and House Majority Whip Tom DeLay—voted against the resolution. So did Rep. John Boehner, who had just completed his tenure as chairman of the House Republican Conference. DeLay also voted for a resolution declaring that the House “directs the President to remove United States Armed Forces from their positions in connection with the present operations against the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia.”

Republican leaders didn’t just try to block the president. They defended Serbian dictator Slobodan Milosevic. When Gen. Joseph Ralston, vice chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said Milosevic “had already started his campaign of killing” before NATO intervened, Nickles disagreed. “I would take a little issue with [what] Gen. Ralston said,” the senator retorted. “The number of killings prior to the bombing, I think, has been exaggerated.”

DeLay and Nickles blamed the ethnic cleansing on the United States and NATO. Nickles said NATO’s peace proposal to the Serbs—which Milosevic had rejected, leading to the war—had been “very arrogant.” Lott agreed. He accused the United States of not doing “enough in the diplomatic area” to appease Milosevic, and he urged Clinton to “give peace a chance.” Nickles dismissed NATO’s mission as “ludicrous.”

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That would be the same Milosevic that was convicted of war crimes at The Hague for the killings dismissed by the Republicans.

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Anvilbrother

[start reading] President Obama says republicans [\stop reading]

Here is more quoted text that you refused to read due to your severe case of ODS.

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DeLay functioned as a propaganda minister for Milosevic, bucking up Serbian morale and belittling NATO’s efforts. “He’s stronger in Kosovo now than he was before the bombing,” DeLay said of Milosevic. “The Serbian people are rallying around him like never before. He’s much stronger with his allies.” When U.S. officials suggested that Milosevic was losing strength, DeLay dismissed this as disinformation from “the president’s spin machine.” DeLay concluded that “the bombing was a mistake” and that “this president ought to … admit it and come to some sort of negotiated end.”


The Republicans were wrong. NATO’s pressure forced Milosevic to capitulate, and the ethnic cleansing stopped. Then came the 2000 election, the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, and the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq. Republicans didn’t just support these wars. They portrayed anyone who questioned them, even tactically, as a traitor. But in 2008, the GOP lost the White House, and its attitude toward presidential authority turned hostile again.


Republicans’ hostility focused not on Afghanistan or Iraq—the wars for which they couldn’t escape responsibility—but on Libya, which they could safely portray as Obama’s conflict. Throughout the 2011 Libya campaign and the 2012 election, they mocked Obama for “leading from behind” in Libya. Many Republicans said we should never have entered the war, since Libyan dictator Muammar Qaddafi hadn’t attacked the United States and posed no immediate threat to us.


Rep. Michele Bachmann, a presidential candidate and darling of the right, suggested that the U.S.-led NATO strikes in Libya had killed 10,000 to 30,000 innocent civilians. She cited, as her source for this claim, Qaddafi’s regime. In the 2012 presidential debates, former GOP House Speaker Newt Gingrich and other Republicans agreed with much of her criticism. “Two wars in Iraq and Afghanistan is a lot,” Gingrich argued in an NBC News interview. He accused Obama of going to war in Libya for the United Nations and the Arab League instead of “looking at American interests.” “We could get engaged by this standard in all sorts of places,” Gingrich objected. He concluded: “I would not have intervened.”

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Yep, the facts are pretty hard to believe if you are a Reich Wing Conservative.
Facts are stubborn things. They don't bend to opinion or truthiness. Facts that are real, not made up bullshit, unlike most of what comes from the right wing media machine.

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Anvilbrother

[start reading] President Obama says republicans [\stop reading]

More quoted info to help you overcome your ODS.

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While the presidential candidates criticized the war, Republicans in Congress tried to stop it. Two months into the bombing campaign, House Speaker John Boehner sponsored and pushed through a resolution declaring that Obama had “failed to provide Congress with a compelling rationale based upon United States national security interests for current United States military activities regarding Libya.” The resolution forbade Obama from using U.S. ground forces and warned him that “Congress has the constitutional prerogative to withhold funding for any unauthorized use of the United States Armed Forces.” Democrats opposed the resolution, but Republicans passed it, voting 223 to 10 in favor.

Republican efforts to sabotage the U.S. war effort were so persistent and vigorous that Qaddafi sent a letter to members of Congress thanking them. The letter, issued a week after the House adopted Boehner’s resolution, told lawmakers: “We are counting on the United States Congress [for] its continued investigation of military activities of NATO and its allies.”

Qaddafi’s letter offended McCain. In a Senate floor speech, the senator chided his colleagues:

Last week, Qaddafi wrote a personal letter of thanks to the members of Congress who voted to censure the President and end our nation’s involvement in Libya. Republicans need to ask themselves whether they want to be part of a group who are earning the grateful thanks of a murderous tyrant for trying to limit an American president’s ability to force that tyrant to leave power.

McCain said that he and his Democratic partner, Sen. John Kerry, would rally the Senate to support the Libyan intervention. But four years later, McCain has turned against Kerry and Obama, joining fellow Republicans in trying to limit the president’s ability to deal with another tyrant. Last month, McCain and 46 other Republican senators—that’s 87 percent of the Senate Republican caucus—signed an “Open Letter to the Leaders of the Islamic Republic of Iran.” The letter warned Iran not to trust Obama or U.S. officials who were negotiating an agreement to restrict Iran’s nuclear program, since congressional Republicans could—and, implicitly, would—rescind any concessions made by the president.

It seemed unimaginable that McCain, a Vietnam War hero, trusted Iran’s theocratic rulers more than he trusted his own president. But on Thursday, McCain suggested precisely that. A conservative radio host, Hugh Hewitt, pointed out to McCain that Iran’s leaders were contradicting what Obama and Kerry (now the secretary of state) had said about the nuclear agreement. “Today, the supreme leader, Ayatollah Khamenei, said that the deal is no deal unless sanctions come off on Day One,” Hewitt told McCain. Hewitt noted that Iran’s defense minister was also ruling out inspections of Iran’s military centers, which were supposedly part of the deal. McCain, referring to Khamenei and the defense minister, replied:

You’ve got to give them a little sympathy in this respect, in that John Kerry must have known what was in [the deal], and yet chose to interpret it in another way. It’s probably in black and white that the ayatollah is probably right. John Kerry is delusional. ... You’re going to find out that they had never agreed to the things that John Kerry claimed that they had. So in a way, I can’t blame the ayatollah, because I don’t think they ever agreed to it, and I think John Kerry tried to come back and sell a bill of goods. … It reveals that a number of things about John Kerry’s negotiating capabilities and also his candor with the American people.

McCain was calling Kerry a liar based on the testimony of Iranian hard-liners, with whom McCain explicitly sympathized. And this episode was no fluke. A week before the Republican senators sent their letter to Iran, Boehner used his power as House speaker to bring Israel’s prime minister to Congress, against Obama’s wishes, to speak against the Iran deal. Meanwhile, McConnell launched a campaign to block Obama’s ability to negotiate a treaty on climate change. In a March 31 statement that echoed the tactics of the letter to Iran, McConnell advised foreign leaders not to trust U.S. commitments to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. “Considering that two-thirds of the U.S. federal government hasn’t even signed off on the Clean Power Plan and 13 states have already pledged to fight it,” he warned them, “our international partners should proceed with caution before entering into a binding, unattainable deal.”

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The facts about Republican actions when it comes to US diplomacy are quite disgusting, aren't they?
And to think that John McCain was actually the Republican Candidate for POTUS in 08. Very scary, in hindsight, isn't it?

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Anvilbrother

[start reading] President Obama says republicans [\stop reading]

More treatment for your ODS.

Do you believe for one minute that if Democratic politicians spoke and acted as the Republicans do, that the reich wing owned media would allow it to go unchallenged? The correct answer is "Not in a million years!!"

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Kosovo, Libya, Iran, Israel, climate change. These aren’t breaches of the norm. They are the norm. When Republicans leaders are presented with a conflict between a Democratic president and a foreign government, they tend to oppose the president—and often side with the foreign government.

As a liberal, I’m OK with that. The right to dissent is a core American value. It has kept this country free for more than two centuries. But when Republicans are in power, they vilify dissent. During the George W. Bush years, Vice President Dick Cheney and his henchmen ruthlessly attacked the patriotism of anyone who questioned—even on tactical grounds—their conduct of the Iraq war, surveillance, or “enhanced interrogations.”

Last week, just before McCain gave his interview to Hugh Hewitt, Cheney appeared on the same show. He said of Obama: “If you had somebody as president who wanted to take America down, who wanted to fundamentally weaken our position in the world and reduce our capacity to influence events, turn our back on our allies and encourage our adversaries, it would look exactly like what Barack Obama’s doing.” When Hewitt played back Cheney’s quote for McCain two days later, the senator agreed with it.

That’s a cold, clear, functional definition of treason. But it could be applied just as easily—and with a better fit—to Cheney, McCain, and their collaborators on the right. If a political party wanted to tear America apart, weaken its position in the world, reduce our capacity to influence events, and encourage our adversaries, it would look exactly like what the Republican Party has done under Democratic presidents. Make of that what you will.

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Anvilbrother

[read funjumper101 post] [\readfunjumper101post]. Pay close attention to the middle part that's where you will find all the fucks I give about your replies and your condescending attitude towards me.

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Anvilbrother

[read funjumper101 post] [\readfunjumper101post]. Pay close attention to the middle part that's where you will find all the fucks I give about your replies and your condescending attitude towards me.

ODS is a sad condition. That kind of stupidity deserves condescension.

Fingers in ears, NA NA NA. I Hear nothing!

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winsor

***[read funjumper101 post] [\readfunjumper101post]. Pay close attention to the middle part that's where you will find all the fucks I give about your replies and your condescending attitude towards me.

Killfile capability would be wonderful.

Try reading the content and becoming educated as to the facts of how Republicans operate.

I read Newsmax now and then. I listen to Rimjob for a while every week. The bullshit propagated by those types is impressive in its lack of connection to reality.

The RWCs are a cancer on society. Nothing positive has ever come to pass via the practical application of conservative philosophy. It does not promote freedom. It restricts it in many ways, especially for those who are not white males of Northern European ancestry. Everyone else is a lesser being.

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winsor

***[read funjumper101 post] [\readfunjumper101post]. Pay close attention to the middle part that's where you will find all the fucks I give about your replies and your condescending attitude towards me.

Killfile capability would be wonderful.

Just use the little red mark next to reply

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******[read funjumper101 post] [\readfunjumper101post]. Pay close attention to the middle part that's where you will find all the fucks I give about your replies and your condescending attitude towards me.

Killfile capability would be wonderful.

Just use the little red mark next to reply

If you think it's spam, by all means, use it. Just not sure what the consequences are for using it on people you don't agree with...

There will be no addressing the customers as "Bitches", "Morons" or "Retards"!

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Driver1

*********[read funjumper101 post] [\readfunjumper101post]. Pay close attention to the middle part that's where you will find all the fucks I give about your replies and your condescending attitude towards me.

Killfile capability would be wonderful.

Just use the little red mark next to reply

If you think it's spam, by all means, use it. Just not sure what the consequences are for using it on people you don't agree with...

I have a feeling that might just upset HH and Meso. I am betting the ones using it inappropriately might find a searing [Red] Red Fork headed their way.

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The cowardly Reich Wing Conservatives can't handle the truth.

They sure get pissed off when they are asked to become better informed as to the FACTS about the actions of those that they love and believe in. Actual facts that completely reveal the truth of what the Republicans do makes them pissed off at the messenger, not the scumbags who support the enemies of the USA.

To be a Reich Wing Conservative requires that you have a no sense of ethics and a complete lack of morality. Truthiness rules. Facts are immaterial. Moral and ethical consistency is a sign of "liberalism".

All of the best and most positive things for US society have come about through the practical application of LIBERAL values. Unmarried adult women can own property in their own name, and have their own credit history. Women can vote in all elections. Children are no longer subject to a lack of labor laws that allowed them to be exploited/abused by business owners. Black people are no longer subject to Jim Crow laws. All of these positive developments came about via the practical application of LIBERAL ideology.

I have never seen or heard of anything positive for society that came about via the practical application of conservative values and philosophy. The RWCs can't come up with any examples, because there are none.

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funjumper101

The cowardly Reich Wing Conservatives can't handle the truth.

They sure get pissed off when they are asked to become better informed as to the FACTS about the actions of those that they love and believe in. Actual facts that completely reveal the truth of what the Republicans do makes them pissed off at the messenger, not the scumbags who support the enemies of the USA.

To be a Reich Wing Conservative requires that you have a no sense of ethics and a complete lack of morality. Truthiness rules. Facts are immaterial. Moral and ethical consistency is a sign of "liberalism".

All of the best and most positive things for US society have come about through the practical application of LIBERAL values. Unmarried adult women can own property in their own name, and have their own credit history. Women can vote in all elections. Children are no longer subject to a lack of labor laws that allowed them to be exploited/abused by business owners. Black people are no longer subject to Jim Crow laws. All of these positive developments came about via the practical application of LIBERAL ideology.

I have never seen or heard of anything positive for society that came about via the practical application of conservative values and philosophy. The RWCs can't come up with any examples, because there are none.

Entering into a dialogue with someone who spews an endless stream of vitriol (e.g. Ann Coulter) is pointless.

A one-dimensional viewpoint is hardly a basis for dialogue. Inconceivable as it may seem, the world is not broken down into Sweetness and Light Liberals and Reich Wing Conservatives.

Anyone who espouses one extreme or another is likely full of shit.

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winsor

***The cowardly Reich Wing Conservatives can't handle the truth.

They sure get pissed off when they are asked to become better informed as to the FACTS about the actions of those that they love and believe in. Actual facts that completely reveal the truth of what the Republicans do makes them pissed off at the messenger, not the scumbags who support the enemies of the USA.

To be a Reich Wing Conservative requires that you have a no sense of ethics and a complete lack of morality. Truthiness rules. Facts are immaterial. Moral and ethical consistency is a sign of "liberalism".

All of the best and most positive things for US society have come about through the practical application of LIBERAL values. Unmarried adult women can own property in their own name, and have their own credit history. Women can vote in all elections. Children are no longer subject to a lack of labor laws that allowed them to be exploited/abused by business owners. Black people are no longer subject to Jim Crow laws. All of these positive developments came about via the practical application of LIBERAL ideology.

I have never seen or heard of anything positive for society that came about via the practical application of conservative values and philosophy. The RWCs can't come up with any examples, because there are none.

Entering into a dialogue with someone who spews an endless stream of vitriol (e.g. Ann Coulter) is pointless.

A one-dimensional viewpoint is hardly a basis for dialogue. Inconceivable as it may seem, the world is not broken down into Sweetness and Light Liberals and Reich Wing Conservatives.

Anyone who espouses one extreme or another is likely full of shit.

In this case it is unavoidable to realize the shit and the fullness.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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I am still waiting for a factual report of a positive social change that came about through the practical application of conservative philosophy.

No one can come up with anything, as it has never happened. Everything positive has come about via the practical application of liberal philosophy.

The documented FACTS about the Republicans cozying up to our enemies is completely the opposite of the image they portray. That image of solidarity and patriotism, much like their supposed belief in fiscal responsibility, it is a complete and utter lie.

The truth is available. Become educated as to the facts of the matter.

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funjumper101

I am still waiting for a factual report of a positive social change that came about through the practical application of conservative philosophy.

"Conservative" and "change" when combined creates an oxymoron. You are asking for the impossible.

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>I am still waiting for a factual report of a positive social change that came
>about through the practical application of conservative philosophy.

The shutdown of some of the more abusive (as in child abuse and rape) polygamy cults in Arizona and Utah. That was driven in large part by the Mormon Church, a conservative religious group.

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billvon

>Regular people who have an interest in serving the greater good, not their self interest.

Most politicians really do try to serve the greater good. Unfortunately, to get to that greater good they often have to make the sort of compromises (i.e. "support the party if you want money, votes and any chance at passing your bills") that people come to associate with Washington.

And that's not something you can fix just by getting new people in. Getting rid of the two-party system might do some good.

Bill, I really like the Swiss model of no standing central government. People I've spoken to don't think it can scale up, but I think technology might make it possible. A Referendum applet, AES-256, and a blind registration system to ensure accuracy and fairness. I can't be the only one to think of it.

If the majority are to have a voice, it must be one which bypasses the shrill extremists in such a way that their voices are heard but not in such a way that they overwhelm and dominate the dialogue as they do now. In other words, ordinary schmoes can let their voices and wishes be heard without having to wrestle the pig.

mh
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that's what i'm working on locally, a database that the people fill out and the politicians have to go by the percentages. sort of the same thing, i think it would be easier to implement than decentralized. that would be asking for too much changed at once. it would also be a pain to try it; think of all the money and power involved now.

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