Andy9o8 2 #26 May 4, 2015 QuoteQuit being obtuse. Please stop quoting my wife. She can speak for herself. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #27 May 4, 2015 airdvr From Bill's post... 4) (by far the simplest) charge for water. Have thirty gallons per person per month provided free (for drinking and washing) and then charge what it costs beyond that. A low-flow toilet uses 1.6 gallons (or less) per flush. So flushing just once per day, 30 gallons would be used up in 19 days."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #28 May 4, 2015 ryoder*** From Bill's post... 4) (by far the simplest) charge for water. Have thirty gallons per person per month provided free (for drinking and washing) and then charge what it costs beyond that. A low-flow toilet uses 1.6 gallons (or less) per flush. So flushing just once per day, 30 gallons would be used up in 19 days. I'm no techie by any stretch, but I've always been incredulous that fully-treated, potable water is used to flush toilets. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #29 May 4, 2015 Andy9o8****** From Bill's post... 4) (by far the simplest) charge for water. Have thirty gallons per person per month provided free (for drinking and washing) and then charge what it costs beyond that. A low-flow toilet uses 1.6 gallons (or less) per flush. So flushing just once per day, 30 gallons would be used up in 19 days. I'm no techie by any stretch, but I've always been incredulous that fully-treated, potable water is used to flush toilets. Until recently, water was plentiful enough that having double the infrastructure around water delivery didn't make any sense. It's always been safe to drink water from any source in the house. I did like how Bill's allotment didn't include flushing. That's a luxury, man! 5-10 gallons per day per person would be a meaningful allocation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #30 May 4, 2015 Andy9o8****** From Bill's post... 4) (by far the simplest) charge for water. Have thirty gallons per person per month provided free (for drinking and washing) and then charge what it costs beyond that. A low-flow toilet uses 1.6 gallons (or less) per flush. So flushing just once per day, 30 gallons would be used up in 19 days. I'm no techie by any stretch, but I've always been incredulous that fully-treated, potable water is used to flush toilets. Agreed. I've long thought BillVon's point of having two types of water supplied to homes makes sense. In my city, municipal lawn watering uses reclaimed water."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #31 May 4, 2015 Quote It's always been safe to drink water from any source in the house. As family dogs everywhere will gladly attest. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rhaig 0 #32 May 4, 2015 maybe they should quit letting so much of their water run into the pacific http://www.forbes.com/sites/ashoka/2015/04/15/why-does-california-let-billions-of-gallons-of-fresh-water-flow-straight-into-the-ocean/-- Rob Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Elisha 1 #33 May 4, 2015 Can we get the topic back to the are where 80% is consumed (being Ag), mmmkay? Thanks. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #34 May 4, 2015 JerryBaumchen Hi Jeanne, Quote water from Oregon south to California Here is one thought: http://www.latimes.com/opinion/topoftheticket/la-na-tt-shatner-boldly-goes-after-water-20150423-story.html Back in the late 60's a former supervisor of mine worked for the BLM in their Denver office. At that time they had actual drawings of a pipe going from the mouth of the Columbia River to California. Also back in the late 60's, the late Sen. Mark Hatfield ( R-Or ) gave a speech about water being the next major problem in the west. He was nearly boo'ed out of the room. Jerry Baumchen PS) Psst, wanna buy a golf course in Arizona? Nope Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #35 May 4, 2015 ElishaCan we get the topic back to the are where 80% is consumed (being Ag), mmmkay? Thanks. You know, I hear that 80% is consumed by Ag! What's with that? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Elisha 1 #36 May 4, 2015 Andy9o8 ***Can we get the topic back to the are where 80% is consumed (being Ag), mmmkay? Thanks. You know, I hear that 80% is consumed by Ag! What's with that? And ya know...I was hoping we can discussion solutions to reduce that Ag usage. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #37 May 4, 2015 Elisha ******Can we get the topic back to the are where 80% is consumed (being Ag), mmmkay? Thanks. You know, I hear that 80% is consumed by Ag! What's with that? And ya know...I was hoping we can discussion solutions to reduce that Ag usage. Why do you guys keep talking about silver?"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,072 #38 May 4, 2015 >You know, I hear that 80% is consumed by Ag! What's with that? Al Gore uses most of our water? I knew it! (Well, I figured it was Obama, but Al Gore will be an acceptable SC substitute for our ire.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,072 #39 May 4, 2015 >4) (by far the simplest) charge for water. Have thirty gallons per person per month >provided free (for drinking and washing) and then charge what it costs beyond that. You still haven't said what problem you have with the "liberal" idea of charging what a product is worth. (Rather than the "conservative" idea of having the government subsidize water collection and distribution.) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,072 #40 May 4, 2015 >Can we get the topic back to the are where 80% is consumed (being Ag), mmmkay? Thanks. Here's my solution to that - Cut all farms to 1 acre-foot of water per year from the original water agreements. (Enough for most crops.) Some crops take more water than that. Almonds, for example, take 3-4 acre-feet of water per acre per year. For those crops, provide salt water for cheap (or even for free if the farmers squawk too loudly.) It takes half an acre of solar evaporators to provide 3 acre-feet of fresh water per year. These are the simplest things you can imagine - basically a flat black metal plate with a plastic cover over them. Water evaporates from the metal plate and condenses as fresh water on the plastic cover. So farmers can still grow almonds to their heart's content - but will have to put up desalinators if they want to do so. Fortunately they will have the three critical ingredients to do so - salt water, land and sunlight. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #41 May 4, 2015 But you're OK with the government subsidizing Tesla...Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,072 #42 May 4, 2015 >But you're OK with the government subsidizing Tesla... Guess that makes me a conservative. Things change fast around here. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
headoverheels 333 #43 May 4, 2015 Maybe I can re-fill my pool with Oregon beer. The pool has been empty for 3 years, while I was doing other renovations. Or I can just fill it and pay whatever water fine shows up, and consider it part of my remodeling expense. Empty pools are considered more of a liability hazard than filled ones -- I had one potential lender pass on doing a refi with an empty pool. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,072 #44 May 5, 2015 >Maybe I can re-fill my pool with Oregon beer. Cover it with a pool cover and paint it with a picture of a volleyball court full of Swedish bikini models. It will fool Google Earth and suspicious lenders - and cause spontaneous parties (and kegs of Old Milwaukee) to show up in your yard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
headoverheels 333 #45 May 5, 2015 billvon>Maybe I can re-fill my pool with Oregon beer. Cover it with a pool cover and paint it with a picture of a volleyball court full of Swedish bikini models. It will fool Google Earth and suspicious lenders - and cause spontaneous parties (and kegs of Old Milwaukee) to show up in your yard. We already barbequed Spuds MacKenzie. Our meters are read every two months. I'll probably fill the pool halfway the week before they read the meter, and the rest the week after. Spread over 4 months, it is a lot less water than most people put on their lawns (I don't have any lawn, and do very little outside watering). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,439 #46 May 5, 2015 Hi bill, Quote Things change fast around here. Who's on 1st? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTcRRaXV-fg Jerry Baumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,106 #47 May 5, 2015 Andy9o8QuoteQuit being obtuse. Please stop quoting my wife. She can speak for herself. I'm sure she's right but is she a-cutie?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #48 May 5, 2015 kallend***QuoteQuit being obtuse. Please stop quoting my wife. She can speak for herself. I'm sure she's right but is she a-cutie? you are such a square when you go off on tangents like that (I'm rooting for at least 3 more obvious posts along these lines) ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #49 May 5, 2015 rehmwa******QuoteQuit being obtuse. Please stop quoting my wife. She can speak for herself. I'm sure she's right but is she a-cutie? you are such a square when you go off on tangents like that (I'm rooting for at least 3 more obvious posts along these lines) Depends on the angle at which you approach this. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
champu 1 #50 May 5, 2015 Andy9o8*********QuoteQuit being obtuse. Please stop quoting my wife. She can speak for herself. I'm sure she's right but is she a-cutie? you are such a square when you go off on tangents like that (I'm rooting for at least 3 more obvious posts along these lines) Depends on the angle at which you approach this. I'll take care of the secant one, now we just need a third person to strike a chord and Bill will be happy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
