2 Mississippi Police Officers Fatally Shot

[wmw999 2,545]

I find it interesting the number of people who think that (generally others) should do whatever the cops ask, are violently suspicious of whatever the government does (see the Texas vs. Jade Helm thread)

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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wmw999

I find it interesting the number of people who think that (generally others) should do whatever the cops ask, are violently suspicious of whatever the government does (see the Texas vs. Jade Helm thread)

Wendy P.

Well that's.......................... different....

General Ripper is coming for them.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKR32ImWYzw

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billvon

>It shouldn't take a 'special' person to be able to just be decent at heart and
>do the job as intended.

I think it takes a special person to be able to be decent at heart and do a good job while in an environment of:

-the public you deal with on a daily basis, most of whom are very unhappy to see you
-the criminals you deal with, who often would rather see you dead
-the colleagues you work with, some of whom abuse their position and encourage you to do the same

Not everyone can be a good cop, and I appreciate the ones who do a good job in a tough environment.

I'm good with this

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wmw999

I find it interesting the number of people who think that (generally others) should do whatever the cops ask, are violently suspicious of whatever the government does (see the Texas vs. Jade Helm thread)

That's one sided. I'd think there's a deeper correlation than that, you can turn that argument on any issue frankly since most people trust some things in government and not others in government - it pretty much is the entire populace that fits that description.

Perhaps one group tends to trust individuals in government service more than they trust agencies or missions of government. The other group tends to trust the agencies or missions as a philosophy but has more difficult time trusting individuals that execute those tasks.

pretty simple to generalize people by social philosophy into those that trust groups over individuals vs individuals over groups

this is different than how people vote though - they tend to "choose" to trust those people and agencies that fit their personal biases and not those people and agencies that are opposed to their personal preferences....no kidding (clearly we have no posters in SC that think their team is all goodness and light and anything remotely the other team is pure evil incarnate)

we can leave out those that only trust themselves and no one else whether in solo or group form - they likely comprise the nutbags from the other two groups....or perhaps they are the only sane ones????

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[Anvilbrother 0]

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I do draw the line when they cross a line and stop protecting and serving and start treating every one of their "contacts" the same way as they do a scumbag... then they are the scumbags.

Do you treat your awareness and self preservation on every traffic stop as its a person who just shot someone, until till you find out it's just soccer mom, or treat every stop as its soccer mom walking up with your hands in your pockets thinking about that fishing trip tomorrow and end up getting shot in the face by the serial killer who just wants to get away?

Command presence is the "scumbag" part your talking about and it works to keep everything safer for all. I have seen small females making arrests and the guys do everything they say because they show a strong forward attitude towards the person. I have seen big guys with a quiet voice and a non alpha attitude get handled by people because they know they can take them and it ends up being a fight instead of compliance.

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[SkyDekker 1,465]

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Do you treat your awareness and self preservation on every traffic stop as its a person who just shot someone, until till you find out it's just soccer mom, or treat every stop as its soccer mom walking up with your hands in your pockets thinking about that fishing trip tomorrow and end up getting shot in the face by the serial killer who just wants to get away?

I think neither is the correct answer. Not pre-juding the situation and following your training is probably a better answer.

After that life is like skydiving. You can do everything right and still die.

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SkyDekker

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Do you treat your awareness and self preservation on every traffic stop as its a person who just shot someone, until till you find out it's just soccer mom, or treat every stop as its soccer mom walking up with your hands in your pockets thinking about that fishing trip tomorrow and end up getting shot in the face by the serial killer who just wants to get away?

I think neither is the correct answer. Not pre-juding the situation and following your training is probably a better answer.

After that life is like skydiving. You can do everything right and still die.

That is what is so unfair . . . The right people rarely get that outcome.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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Do you treat your awareness and self preservation on every traffic stop as its a person who just shot someone, until till you find out it's just soccer mom, or treat every stop as its soccer mom walking up with your hands in your pockets thinking about that fishing trip tomorrow and end up getting shot in the face by the serial killer who just wants to get away?

I think neither is the correct answer.

ahhh, so profiling

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[Anvilbrother 0]

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Not pre-juding the situation and following your training is probably a better answer.

That's is the exact thing they train you to do. From the time you call in a stop until the person drives away you are trained to be prepared for the worst. By parking correctly you position the engine block or tire rim to provide cover in case of a gunfight. Positioning the car at an angle also provides a barrier in case a vehicle hits the unit it goes away from you and not forward. By asking the person to show their hands, step out, or putting your light on them you illuminate the compartment. By approaching at an angle you are able to see the person and their hands from a distance compare to walking right up beside the drivers window. By using a clipboard on your steering wheel to hold the license and paperwork you are able to stay heads up and monitor the occupants. By allowing the driver to drive away first you eliminate a drive by as you leave. There are dozens of other things you, and it has nothing to do with the race ethnicity or other details about the occupants or about being a dick. It's about keeping that crazy fool from surprising you and shooting you in the face, but is instead misunderstood as being a scumbag by people like Amazon, or some other person who got a ticket in the past and is butthurt about the police.

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[wmw999 2,545]

Yeah, that was more of a cheap shot for effect than a thoughtful post, wasn't it? Way to return me to where I prefer my world to be, with actual content.... That said, I largely agree

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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wmw999

Yeah, that was more of a cheap shot for effect than a thoughtful post, wasn't it? Way to return me to where I prefer my world to be, with actual content.... That said, I largely agree

Wendy P.

Could it be that you are just tired of the shit?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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Anvilbrother

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Not pre-juding the situation and following your training is probably a better answer.

That's is the exact thing they train you to do. From the time you call in a stop until the person drives away you are trained to be prepared for the worst. By parking correctly you position the engine block or tire rim to provide cover in case of a gunfight. Positioning the car at an angle also provides a barrier in case a vehicle hits the unit it goes away from you and not forward. By asking the person to show their hands, step out, or putting your light on them you illuminate the compartment. By approaching at an angle you are able to see the person and their hands from a distance compare to walking right up beside the drivers window. By using a clipboard on your steering wheel to hold the license and paperwork you are able to stay heads up and monitor the occupants. By allowing the driver to drive away first you eliminate a drive by as you leave. There are dozens of other things you, and it has nothing to do with the race ethnicity or other details about the occupants or about being a dick. It's about keeping that crazy fool from surprising you and shooting you in the face, but is instead misunderstood as being a scumbag by people like Amazon, or some other person who got a ticket in the past and is butthurt about the police.

Interesting diatribe...... but wrong yet again. If that is the only frame of reference you have... you need a wider range of experience.

And the its not about race is laughable..... Nope no racial profiling anywhere...... nothing to see here.. move along.

Obviously you have no issue with that all too common practice.... why is that???

Hell I bet you never seen that... right?

[Driver1 0]

No shortage of dumbasses out there with foot in mouth disease...

http://www.myfoxmemphis.com/story/29031841/woman-fired-for-celebrating-murders-of-2-miss-officers

There will be no addressing the customers as "Bitches", "Morons" or "Retards"!

[Anvilbrother 0]

Whatever, obviously somewhere along the line you were talked down to by a male officer and it has triggered you your whole life, living every day applying those same feelings to all cops. I get it.

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Anvilbrother

Whatever, obviously somewhere along the line you were talked down to by a male officer and it has triggered you your whole life, living every day applying those same feelings to all cops. I get it.

Nope.. guess again there little fella

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Amazon

***Whatever, obviously somewhere along the line you were talked down to by a male officer and it has triggered you your whole life, living every day applying those same feelings to all cops. I get it.

Nope.. guess again there little fella

Little? I'd hedge a bet he's bigger than you.

There will be no addressing the customers as "Bitches", "Morons" or "Retards"!

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wmw999

Yeah, that was more of a cheap shot for effect than a thoughtful post, wasn't it? Way to return me to where I prefer my world to be, with actual content.... That said, I largely agree

I just know you are better than that - for one of your elk.

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

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Driver1

Little? I'd hedge a bet he's bigger than you.

save your money

You can't be drunk all day if you don't start early!

[normiss 858]

A LOT of my religious friends seem to easily throw condescension, racism, judgement, name calling, attacks, and labels on others yet seem to be quite offended when the favor is returned.
I'm actually very disappointed in discovering how many people I know that are church people but are also the most bigoted racists I know.
I just find it confusing.

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After that life is like skydiving. You can do everything right and still die.

When I train guys that is one of the first things I tell them, and they better learn to accept it. Use the training to make it harder for someone to get you, by using proper tactics.

I also tell them if they think they are walking the line of death everyday, they aren't. The job mainly consists of writing reports and dealing with a wide variety of people. Hours and hours of boredom and routine, interrupted by moments of sheer terror.

BUT........
When things go bad, they go bad quick, an they go bad..........well, bad. The majority of deadly encounters are in the dark, within three feet, within 3 seconds. And they better be prepared for it.

I almost haven't made it home a couple of times, each time my training and instincts saved my ass. But all it takes is once.

Sometimes instincts and training aren't enough and you have what happened in Mississippi.

"Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

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wmw999

I find it interesting the number of people who think that (generally others) should do whatever the cops ask, are violently suspicious of whatever the government does (see the Texas vs. Jade Helm thread)

Wendy P.

Violently suspicious????

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Driver1

******Whatever, obviously somewhere along the line you were talked down to by a male officer and it has triggered you your whole life, living every day applying those same feelings to all cops. I get it.

Nope.. guess again there little fella

Little? I'd hedge a bet he's bigger than you.

Never try to eat more than you can lift

[skycop 0]

There is unrest in the forest
There is trouble with the trees
For the maples want more sunlight
And the oaks ignore their pleas

The trouble with the maples
(And they're quite convinced they're right)
They say the oaks are just too lofty
And they grab up all the light
But the oaks can't help their feelings
If they like the way they're made
And they wonder why the maples
Can't be happy in their shade

There is trouble in the forest
And the creatures all have fled
As the maples scream 'Oppression!'
And the oaks just shake their heads

So the maples formed a union
And demanded equal rights
'The oaks are just too greedy
We will make them give us light'
Now there's no more oak oppression
For they passed a noble law
And the trees are all kept equal
By hatchet, axe and saw

"Just 'cause I'm simple, don't mean I'm stewpid!"

[kallend 2,107]

Amazon

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Not pre-juding the situation and following your training is probably a better answer.

That's is the exact thing they train you to do. From the time you call in a stop until the person drives away you are trained to be prepared for the worst. By parking correctly you position the engine block or tire rim to provide cover in case of a gunfight. Positioning the car at an angle also provides a barrier in case a vehicle hits the unit it goes away from you and not forward. By asking the person to show their hands, step out, or putting your light on them you illuminate the compartment. By approaching at an angle you are able to see the person and their hands from a distance compare to walking right up beside the drivers window. By using a clipboard on your steering wheel to hold the license and paperwork you are able to stay heads up and monitor the occupants. By allowing the driver to drive away first you eliminate a drive by as you leave. There are dozens of other things you, and it has nothing to do with the race ethnicity or other details about the occupants or about being a dick. It's about keeping that crazy fool from surprising you and shooting you in the face, but is instead misunderstood as being a scumbag by people like Amazon, or some other person who got a ticket in the past and is butthurt about the police.

Interesting diatribe...... but wrong yet again. If that is the only frame of reference you have... you need a wider range of experience.

And the its not about race is laughable..... Nope no racial profiling anywhere...... nothing to see here.. move along.



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Driver1

***Nope.. guess again there little fella

Little? I'd hedge a bet he's bigger than you.

Hedging your bet would, indeed, be a good idea in this case.