Open Carry laws apply equally to everyone, don't they?

[funjumper101 15]

As shown in this video, the answer is, not in this day and age.

Can any of the LEO apologists explain the difference in treatment of the individuals?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKGZnB41_e4

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[Anvilbrother 0]

They both deserve to be put on the asphalt. Open carry of a pistol is stupid but I agree with the right. Open carry of a rifle as you walk in public in 2015 black or white is a pants on head retard move. It wasn't about race, but they made you drink the cool aid. Next topic.

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[turtlespeed 221]

*** It wasn't about race, but they made you drink the cool aid. Next topic.

Which is why he read it, and why it was made.

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[rhaig 0]

looks like that sheriff's dept needs some additional training.

However, both of these fall under the heading of "just because it's legal, doesn't mean it's a good idea".

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funjumper101

As shown in this video, the answer is, not in this day and age.

Can any of the LEO apologists explain the difference in treatment of the individuals?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKGZnB41_e4

Daily updated links to factual info about police misconduct available at this site -

http://www.reddit.com/r/Bad_Cop_No_Donut/

I think it is from the principle that 'guns don't kill people - negroes do.'

[funjumper101 15]

Anvilbrother

They both deserve to be put on the asphalt. Open carry of a pistol is stupid but I agree with the right. Open carry of a rifle as you walk in public in 2015 black or white is a pants on head retard move. It wasn't about race, but they made you drink the cool aid. Next topic.

It wasn't about race?

What rational thought processes brings you to that conclusionn?

Same gun, different skin color, massively different treatment of the individuals.

Can you explain what factors besides skin color led to the extreme variation in behavior by the LEOs involved?

[piisfish 140]

different LEO too.
The first one looks like a decent cop with enough self-confidence.
The second one looks more like a fat donut muncher looking for some superhero action.

scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM

[JohnnyMarko 1]

I have a question. Why open carry a rifle?

[rhaig 0]

two different departments. Likely two different levels of training and awareness.

Aside from that the only thing I can see is that the second man had the rifle in a position that could be more easily deployed for immediate use.

What's interesting is that in this open carry display
http://www.dallasnews.com/news/metro/20140820-huey-p.-newton-gun-club-leads-open-carry-rally-in-south-dallas.ece
Some of the members are clearly violating TX law in the way they are carrying the firearms. They are clearly brandishing. But if your all police are bad mentality holds true, they would have been shot at.

This is a difference in awareness of open carry laws and training in response.

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Rob

[Amazon 7]

JohnnyMarko

I have a question. Why open carry a rifle?

Some men like exposing their guns in public to show how manly they are.

[jakee 1,500]

rhaig

What's interesting is that in this open carry display
http://www.dallasnews.com/news/metro/20140820-huey-p.-newton-gun-club-leads-open-carry-rally-in-south-dallas.ece
Some of the members are clearly violating TX law in the way they are carrying the firearms. They are clearly brandishing. But if your all police are bad mentality holds true, they would have been shot at.

Or maybe even the worst of the power tripping, ill trained, unworthy donut munchers that pollute the ranks of the police would realise that opening fire on an organised protest of gun holders was a bad call.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[rhaig 0]

JohnnyMarko

I have a question. Why open carry a rifle?

some people thing just because it's legal, they should do it. It's hard to fix stupid.

Some people think that by doing this, they're helping people be less afraid of guns. There has been so much hype about the evil black rifles that are killing machines, that people are afraid of guns. They should be afraid of actions, not objects. While I understand the point of these types of open carriers, and at some level agree with them, it's an execution issue. The way they're executing on this idea isn't accomplishing their goal.

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Rob

[rhaig 0]

jakee

Or maybe even the worst of the power tripping, ill trained, unworthy donut munchers that pollute the ranks of the police would realise that opening fire on an organised protest of gun holders was a bad call.

so not all police are bad. Are at least not all stupid. :)

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Rob

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rhaig

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Or maybe even the worst of the power tripping, ill trained, unworthy donut munchers that pollute the ranks of the police would realise that opening fire on an organised protest of gun holders was a bad call.

so not all police are bad. Are at least not all stupid. :)

If we are going to entrust our lives to LEO with special powers....... perhaps the selection process needs to be a tad more stringent...... with frequent checks for those who let those special powers go to their heads which should be an automatic disqualifier.

[Boomerdog 0]

We have open and concealed carry in Virginia. I've seen men and women open carry. At times, I carry concealed and only concealed. I fail to see the utility of open carry. First it tells a potential assailant what you are carrying, second it scares the shit out of a lot of people and third, it's also perceived as flaunting or a deliberate act of "See what I can do, it's legal and there's nothing you can do nah nah nah." Too many You Tube videos of cops confronting open carry idiots. The cops want to flex their muscles and the idiots want to confront with the law or is it the other way around. Whatever, it's STUPID.

Conceal, be humble, be quiet. Be nice to everyone, know the law. Speak softly, use large caliber, many rounds! Use as a last resort.

[piisfish 140]

JohnnyMarko

I have a question. Why open carry a rifle?

because it is much easier to carry them open rather than concealed

scissors beat paper, paper beat rock, rock beat wingsuit - KarlM

[rhaig 0]

Boomerdog

We have open and concealed carry in Virginia. I've seen men and women open carry. At times, I carry concealed and only concealed. I fail to see the utility of open carry. First it tells a potential assailant what you are carrying, second it scares the shit out of a lot of people and third, it's also perceived as flaunting or a deliberate act of "See what I can do, it's legal and there's nothing you can do nah nah nah." Too many You Tube videos of cops confronting open carry idiots. The cops want to flex their muscles and the idiots want to confront with the law or is it the other way around. Whatever, it's STUPID.

Conceal, be humble, be quiet. Be nice to everyone, know the law. Speak softly, use large caliber, many rounds! Use as a last resort.

They're in the process of passing licensed open carry here in TX. To me it's a matter of convenience. I sometimes concealed carry under a jacket or long shirt. Less worry about accidental exposure now. That's the only reason I can see the utility of open carry. Convenience.

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Boomerdog

We have open and concealed carry in Virginia. I've seen men and women open carry. At times, I carry concealed and only concealed. I fail to see the utility of open carry. First it tells a potential assailant what you are carrying, second it scares the shit out of a lot of people and third, it's also perceived as flaunting or a deliberate act of "See what I can do, it's legal and there's nothing you can do nah nah nah." Too many You Tube videos of cops confronting open carry idiots. The cops want to flex their muscles and the idiots want to confront with the law or is it the other way around. Whatever, it's STUPID.

Conceal, be humble, be quiet. Be nice to everyone, know the law. Speak softly, use large caliber, many rounds! Use as a last resort.

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[rehmwa 2]

Amazon

***We have open and concealed carry in Virginia. I've seen men and women open carry. At times, I carry concealed and only concealed. I fail to see the utility of open carry. First it tells a potential assailant what you are carrying, second it scares the shit out of a lot of people and third, it's also perceived as flaunting or a deliberate act of "See what I can do, it's legal and there's nothing you can do nah nah nah." Too many You Tube videos of cops confronting open carry idiots. The cops want to flex their muscles and the idiots want to confront with the law or is it the other way around. Whatever, it's STUPID.

Conceal, be humble, be quiet. Be nice to everyone, know the law. Speak softly, use large caliber, many rounds! Use as a last resort.

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I'd like to note there's a parallel to Freedom of Speech also. See the red highlight....is it analogous in terms of good vs asshole ways to exercise rights?

2nd - Sure, you have a right to carry that way and be an ass to all these people. But it's stupid and no one likes you now. In fact whatever message you are trying to say---you are having the opposite affect. Even so, we still have to protect your rights - please try to not ruin it for everyone else. Be careful someone doesn't over react and hurts a bunch of people.

1st - Sure, you have a right to be provocative and wildly insulting way and be an ass to all these people. But it's stupid and no one likes you now. In fact whatever message you are trying to say---you are having the opposite affect. Even so, we still have to protect your rights - please try to not ruin it for everyone else. Be careful someone doesn't over react and hurts a bunch of people.

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[Boomerdog 0]

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1st - Sure, you have a right to be provocative and wildly insulting way and be an ass to all these people. But it's stupid and no one likes you now. In fact whatever message you are trying to say---you are having the opposite affect. Even so, we still have to protect your rights - please try to not ruin it for everyone else. Be careful someone doesn't over react and hurts a bunch of people.

NOT taking that bait. You and I might agree that manners and common sense and civility should prevail in our interactions and discourse with one another but there is no constitutional guarantee against being insulted. Rarely a days go by I don't read something or say something that does not insult me. That does not give me the reason to act out and put few small high speed holes into the dumb son of a bitch...in fact, it's a criminal act and my skydiving days will be over for good. I wouldn't like that, I'm enjoying the sport way too much.

Let me give a you a current example du jour. Professor Saida Grunby, about to be appointed as an Assistant Professor at Boston University. She has referred to me and White Males like me as a "problem population." Insulting? Very? Hurtful that I take it personal? Not on your life. I'll give Ms Grunby all the room she needs to spew her screed all over kingdom come, I don't really care. But I'm not lost on history and I do recall that about 70-80 years ago, a little Austrian Corporal identified another group of people as a "problem population" was highly successful in murdering six million of them. Herr Hitler wrote about it, talked about it, the world ignored him, and he acted it out. Ms Grundy and her ilk are free to talk some trash but should they decide to act out against the current "problem population" there's a problem. Unlike that problem population of the past, the one of today is armed...armed to the teeth. So at the risk of sounding like an internet commando of which I certainly am not, let me be clear. Call me all the names you like, but come the day someone decides and acts to put me in some railroad car to ship me off to some "re-education camp" is the day I begin hunting those fascist sons of bitches down and leave a trail of dead bodies in my wake.

In the meantime, call me all the shit you like...just don't act out because it won't end bad for me!

Now returning to quiet and humble...and maybe I'm armed!

[Anvilbrother 0]

The fact that for the first encounter it starts after the officer is out of the vechicle, where as for the second one we see all the details. Who knows if the first cop did not do the same thing, but we only got to see the part where he has the scene stabilized and started asking questions.

The fact that its clearly two DIFFERENT departments meaning two DIFFERENT areas. If your a white dude walking in a low crime redneck white neighborhood where everyone had guns, and knows each other you might get the first encounter. If your in the worst part of ______city where cops have had threats, gang wars, cops shot like in NY, and MS, etc you are going to get the second encounter.

For your race bait shit to work here you are going to need the same cop doing the same thing in the same area around the same time to be shown on video.

youtube this term "open carry arrested" Majority of these people arrested are white.

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Boomerdog

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1st - Sure, you have a right to be provocative and wildly insulting way and be an ass to all these people. But it's stupid and no one likes you now. In fact whatever message you are trying to say---you are having the opposite affect. Even so, we still have to protect your rights - please try to not ruin it for everyone else. Be careful someone doesn't over react and hurts a bunch of people.

NOT taking that bait. You and I might agree that manners and common sense and civility should prevail in our interactions and discourse with one another but there is no constitutional guarantee against being insulted.

I think you overlooked the "Even so, we still have to protect your rights" comment

I understand - most people here think that having a personal opinion on stuff automatically infers a desire to legislate - I'm not one of them

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[Boomerdog 0]

I did NOT miss the "Even so..." I just don't give a rat's ass.
Call me all the name you like...just don't act out in violence.

[rehmwa 2]

Boomerdog

I did NOT miss the "Even so..." I just don't give a rat's ass.
Call me all the name you like...just don't act out in violence.

are you upset? I'm a little used to agreeing with some people on this site, but not to have them lambast me for agreeing with them

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[champu 1]

While I agree the hypothesis likely has merit, there is simply too much variability in police responses for these two encounters to prove anything. There is also too much variability in responses to consider conducting a statistically significant number of trials anything but insane.

I'm white and I wouldn't carry an AR-15 over my shoulder in the city in SoCal where I live for a number of reasons, not the least of which because I'd guess there's about a 5-10% chance that legal or not I would get shot by responding police. It would depend on the department and what the freaked out person who called 911 told the dispatcher.

Plus, as has been noted, the editing is suspect. This is not to say the black guy wasn't treated more harshly, but simply to say that's exactly how I'd expect it to be edited if the response wasn't as disparate as the authors would have liked.