Cop Slams Pregnant Woman To Ground When She Says She Doesn’t Have to Show ID

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cvfd1399

What department is that if you don't mind me asking?

San Jose.

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cvfd1399

"Special duty". Not knowing what that means exactly if it's a paid detail or not, but those are paid by a private company requesting the officer to the department, and added to their salary so taxes can be deducted for them, but are not paid for by tax payers which can look real deceiving if you did not know.

It seems that amount still goes in the total earned, and so affects retirement compensation. Spiking in the final year before retirement has be commonplace.

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Exactly, from where I am talking in Baton Rouge to there is a 53% increase in cost of living. Cant compare salaries without talking about that, it makes the numbers ridiculous without bringing it up. Look at the average salary on Google. The range is 35k-85k from start to retirement for cops in the U.S.

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No it doesn't at least here. It shows up on your taxes, but does not equate into what you or your department have contributed or what you are able to draw for your top 3 years. It's base, scheduled overtime, holidays, and emergency pay such as hurricanes, that's it.

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Reich Wing

The opposite of libtard

All of the positive changes that have happened in US society have come about through the practical application of LIBERAL politics.
The practical application of Liberal politics are responsible for women's suffrage.
The practical application of Liberal politics are responsible for the end of the legal structure that prevented unmarried adult women from owning property in their own names.
The practical application of Liberal politics are responsible for the end of the legal structure that prevented unmarried adult women from having their own credit history.
The practical application of Liberal politics are responsible for the end of the Jim Crow laws, poll taxes, and the establishment of civil rights for minorities.

The practical application of Conservative politics has caused 29 states to NOT implement Medicare for the poorest citizens in those states. Florida and Texas are prime examples of this. Florida is trying to get the Feds to cover the costs for the uninsured people who are still using emergency rooms as their primary source of health care. The feds are telling Florida to go to hell. Texas's business leaders aren't real happy with Perry's moronic decision to follow much the same pattern of stupidity. The business owners and property tax payers in Texas are picking up the costs for the uninsured people who are still using emergency rooms as their primary source of health care. The feds are telling Texas to go to hell, just like they are Florida.
Absolutely 100% correct decisions by the feds. If a state chooses NOT to participate in the FEDERALLY funded expansion of Medicare, those states can pick up the costs incurred by their bad decision making.

I can come up with plenty of examples of how the practical application of Conservative politics has led to disaster. The great financial crash of 2007-2012 is directly attributable to the practical application of Conservative politics.

Conservatives despise government. If you despise something, you certainly cannot be trusted to run it well. Voting for people who hate that which they want to run is really idiotic. Most people are really dumb when it comes to figuring out what politics would actually be of assistance to them in their daily lives, and what politics are seriously detrimental to them in their daily lives.

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cvfd1399

Nope but I have a CCW permit. It doesn't matter to me as I never open carry.

Your fooling yourself if you think all cops should know everything in the WEST for their state much less stay 100% up to date.

Your fooling yourself if you think that strawman isn't obvious.

Once again, since you obviously just missed it, it's not about knowing everything, it's about knowing the regulations regarding interactions they have with the public every day. Honestly, knowing what you can demand of someone who isn't subject to reasonable suspicion is a pretty fucking fundamental part of being a street cop, IMO.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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I'm not saying your wrong, I'm just saying it's impossible for everyone to even know simple things like that the DAY it happens, or especially if it's a weekend. They change some little BS law that deals with tint or whatever, it may be a week or so before everyone knows. For that matter there is no official "this has changed". That exists in the entire BRPD or EBRSO. Its usually word of mouth, or when someone calls the shift commander who will look it up at the substation.

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cvfd1399

I'm not saying your wrong, I'm just saying it's impossible for everyone to even know simple things like that the DAY it happens, or especially if it's a weekend. They change some little BS law that deals with tint or whatever, it may be a week or so before everyone knows. For that matter there is no official "this has changed". That exists in the entire BRPD or EBRSO. Its usually word of mouth, or when someone calls the shift commander who will look it up at the substation.

So what relevance does some 'little BS law about tint' really have with your original comment about cops being afraid to use force while catching criminals?

I think if a cop stops and thinks about whether he's allowed to physically assault someone over window tint instead of just going ahead and doing it, that is on balance a good thing.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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To me that sounds like a failure in your command, not making sure that reasonably relevant changes are highlighted and discussed. Not every little change (you'd never stop reading), but the relevant ones, yeah.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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Those are two separate comments your trying to tie together now. That was a one off to bill, and you damn well know had nothing to do with what you and I were discussing.

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wmw999

To me that sounds like a failure in your command, not making sure that reasonably relevant changes are highlighted and discussed. Not every little change (you'd never stop reading), but the relevant ones, yeah.

Wendy P.

It's not my command I don't work there.

[billvon 3,006]

>"Special duty". Not knowing what that means exactly if it's a paid detail or not, but
>those are paid by a private company requesting the officer to the department, and
>added to their salary so taxes can be deducted for them, but are not paid for by tax
>payers which can look real deceiving if you did not know.

You said:
"Good luck getting better cops to put up with today's bullshit while getting paid peanuts. That's how you got here, pay 25k starting salary that tops out at 49k 30 years from now. "

So it looks like in reality they make more like $78K to over $200K in some areas. So yes, I'd expect you should be able to get cops who can be bothered to keep up to date on the law (which is, of course, their job) and not beat and kill innocent people for that. Heck, the cops I know who make towards the lower end of that range are pretty well versed on the laws that apply to them - and have yet to accidentally beat someone to death.

But in any case, if you do find that $78K isn't enough, offer them more. There are plenty of good ex-military in the US who would jump at the chance to make $100K a year to be a cop.

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cvfd1399

Those are two separate comments your trying to tie together now. That was a one off to bill, and you damn well know had nothing to do with what you and I were discussing.

Uh, no, our discussion is a direct result of that comment. The only reason we're having a discussion is because I replied specifically to that comment.

Maybe you want to go back and re-evaluate your responses in that context.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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Please tell me the cost of living difference in Baton Rouge vs San Jose. Then insert those two salaries, and reevaluate your comment. As stated above cherry picking salaries without taking this into account is deceitful.

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You think salaries and cost of living has always been high ever since San Jose existed? These generally go up together over time, and what you said makes no sense. We are comparing salaries and cost of living which is basically purchasing power, and as long as they are equal in a certain area which in both of my examples they are your buying power is the same, and using that 75k starting salary to try and say cops are paid too much isn't being truthful when the average as I have shown is around 35k.

High cost of living-high salary~low cost of living-low salary.

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when the average as I have shown is around 35k.

Shown? Where?

BTW, anything further to our conversation? Did you want to amend any statements since you lost track of what we were talking about to begin with?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Police_Officer/Salary

Sorry forgot to add it in post #30 besides like you told me before stop being lazy and Google for yourself isn't that what you said????

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cvfd1399

http://www.payscale.com/research/US/Job=Police_Officer/Salary

Sorry forgot to add it in post #30 besides like you told me before stop being lazy and Google for yourself isn't that what you said????

No, I said follow the specific links from the specific story in the OP. That way there's no room for confusion or misinterpretation with people looking at random different stuff. I also did not say I had shown anything when I clearly hadn't.

Oh, and talking of misinterpretation, where in that link does it say the average starting cop salary is $35k? I see something quite different.

And again, do you want to amend any of your statements from our earlier conversation now that you know what it was we were talking about, or do you accept that I was right all along? Just wondering.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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I think you are the one that needs to go re-read your not making any sense, your the one that asked me to show you where I got that number from. It was in that link and it showed average staring salary to be ~35k for the US. Stop being lazy and find it for yourself within that site, like you said before, and that's all I have to say about that.

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cvfd1399

I think you are the one that needs to go re-read your not making any sense, your the one that asked me to show you where I got that number from. It was in that link and it showed average staring salary to be ~35k for the US. Stop being lazy and find it for yourself within that site, like you said before, and that's all I have to say about that.

Ok Forest... if you say so

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cvfd1399

I think you are the one that needs to go re-read your not making any sense

Ok, so you still don't think it's a good thing for cops to stop and think about whether they're allowed to assault people over 'bullshit little laws' that they're not even sure exist?

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your the one that asked me to show you where I got that number from. It was in that link and it showed average staring salary to be ~35k for the US.

Yes, I did ask you to show me where in that link you got the 35k figure. From what I can see under national entry level average you are out by about 20%

What were you looking at?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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jakee

***I think you are the one that needs to go re-read your not making any sense

Ok, so you still don't think it's a good thing for cops to stop and think about whether they're allowed to assault people over 'bullshit little laws' that they're not even sure exist?

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your the one that asked me to show you where I got that number from. It was in that link and it showed average staring salary to be ~35k for the US.

Yes, I did ask you to show me where in that link you got the 35k figure. From what I can see under national entry level average you are out by about 20%

What were you looking at?

Yes I think it's a good idea that they know their job I never fucking said that or hinted towards it, your putting words in my mouth just to stir the shit pot like usual. The only thing I said was your never going to be 100% on a law that can be changed by another group of people, and has no automatic accountable notification to the people who use them.

Ok 30k then from that link hell I was giving you 5k towards the omg they are overpaid category which is what most most states give as hazard pay on top of their local salary. It makes my case even stronger.

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cvfd1399

Yes I think it's a good idea that they know their job I never fucking said that or hinted towards it, your putting words in my mouth just to stir the shit pot like usual. The only thing I said was your never going to be 100% on a law that can be changed by another group of people, and has no automatic accountable notification to the people who use them.

Ok, so then you do agree with me, and you don't think that being busted for assaulting non-criminals will make the police less likely to make the effort to catch real criminals?

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Ok 30k then from that link hell I was giving you 5k towards the omg they are overpaid category which is what most most states give as hazard pay on top of their local salary. It makes my case even stronger.

Where do you get 30k from that link? From what it tells me you're going in the wrong direction.

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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Bzzt your projecting like kallend. 30k is right there the average starting salary just look....

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Right where? Attached is what I'm looking at, what are you looking at?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?