SkyDekker 1,465 #451 December 23, 2015 turtlespeed*********So now the KY governor thinks he can overrule state law: http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/12/23/460790418/per-governors-order-kentucky-marriage-licenses-no-longer-need-clerks-name Ah, so do you not think it is a good compromise? Or is the liberal way of thinking appalled that it tried and was not able to force compliance of its wishes, in that, her name, specifically, is no longer associated with a document that represents something that goes against her religious beliefs? Violating the law enacted by the state legislature is a "compromise"? If the legislature amended the law, that would be a compromise. If Obama made a decree that violated law enacted by Congress, would you call that a compromise? Why don't we ever see this kind of pushback from you guys when Obama does the equivalent? Or did you forget that he simply won't enforce the immigration laws as they stand? Why don't we see you commenting about how people should just follow the law in this case? The answer apareth to lieeth withinth. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 221 #452 December 23, 2015 normiss Kentucky apparently. If a clerk no longer certifies documents, what is their purpose? There are many more documents that need certification. Surely one of these can be deemed unnecessary for certification. Wasn't it you that said government should stay out of marriage anyway. Now you get your wish and complain about it some more. I guess there really is no making a liberal happy.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 221 #453 December 23, 2015 SkyDekker ************So now the KY governor thinks he can overrule state law: http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/12/23/460790418/per-governors-order-kentucky-marriage-licenses-no-longer-need-clerks-name Ah, so do you not think it is a good compromise? Or is the liberal way of thinking appalled that it tried and was not able to force compliance of its wishes, in that, her name, specifically, is no longer associated with a document that represents something that goes against her religious beliefs? Violating the law enacted by the state legislature is a "compromise"? If the legislature amended the law, that would be a compromise. If Obama made a decree that violated law enacted by Congress, would you call that a compromise? Why don't we ever see this kind of pushback from you guys when Obama does the equivalent? Or did you forget that he simply won't enforce the immigration laws as they stand? Why don't we see you commenting about how people should just follow the law in this case? The answer apareth to lieeth withinth. I'm simply drawing y'alls attention to the obvious hypocrisy here. It's okay to compromise the law when it is immigration and gun rights, but any adjustment in the need to have your name printed on a document . . . oh, you can't do THAT. YOUR BIAS IS SHOWING.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #454 December 23, 2015 QuoteI'm simply drawing y'alls attention to the obvious hypocrisy here. Right....everybody else's hypocrisy.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stumpy 284 #455 December 23, 2015 Actually I don't have too much of a problem with the governors ruling. The sooner it makes religious bigots like Kim Davis unable to affect other people's rights, the better.Never try to eat more than you can lift Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Stumpy 284 #456 December 23, 2015 Ugh hate editing on phone, sorry about disconnect. If the legislature would quickly ratify this, all the better.Never try to eat more than you can lift Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,500 #457 December 23, 2015 QuoteAh, so do you not think it is a good compromise? Processes in government are important. Things don't just need to be done, they need to be done properly and legally. QuoteOr is the liberal way of thinking appalled that it tried and was not able to force compliance of its wishes, in that, her name, specifically, is no longer associated with a document that represents something that goes against her religious beliefs? She's not being forced to do anything but her fucking job. She wanted it, she has to do it. If she doesn't want to do it, she knows where the door is. I wonder what level of sympathy you'd have for a Muslim working at a butchers who refused to handle anything with pig in it. How do you think that would go down?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 806 #458 December 23, 2015 Incorrect sir. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 806 #459 December 23, 2015 I also don't think a Governor should think he has the legal authority to change state laws at his discretion. "Governor Bevin’s executive action has added to the cloud of uncertainty that hangs over marriage licensing in Kentucky. The requirement that the county clerk’s name appear on marriage licenses is prescribed by Kentucky law and is not subject to unilateral change by the governor — conceded by the previous administration in court filings" While the new Governor has frozen hiring and some spending, I wonder how much they will spend fighting this in court, again, all the way up to the Supremes even. Again. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,373 #460 December 23, 2015 Hi normiss, Quote Incorrect sir. You beat me to it. Guess it is all about being three times zones ahead of me. But you probably should not have bothered because the 'non-liberals' like turtle really have little use for the facts. If he had wanted, he could have found the information that you found before he posted. But . . . . . . Jerry Baumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 2,216 #461 December 23, 2015 turtlespeed***So now the KY governor thinks he can overrule state law: http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/12/23/460790418/per-governors-order-kentucky-marriage-licenses-no-longer-need-clerks-name Ah, so do you not think it is a good compromise? Or is the liberal way of thinking appalled that it tried and was not able to force compliance of its wishes, in that, her name, specifically, is no longer associated with a document that represents something that goes against her religious beliefs? Yup, let it go. As long as licenses are issued only bad can come from rubbing people's faces into it and demanding a named signature. When you win the war you need to be a little graceful to the losers. It will not serve anyone well to be small in victory.Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,008 #462 December 23, 2015 >Ah, so do you not think it is a good compromise? What's wrong with obeying the law? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 221 #463 December 23, 2015 gowlerk******So now the KY governor thinks he can overrule state law: http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2015/12/23/460790418/per-governors-order-kentucky-marriage-licenses-no-longer-need-clerks-name Ah, so do you not think it is a good compromise? Or is the liberal way of thinking appalled that it tried and was not able to force compliance of its wishes, in that, her name, specifically, is no longer associated with a document that represents something that goes against her religious beliefs? Yup, let it go. As long as licenses are issued only bad can come from rubbing people's faces into it and demanding a named signature. When you win the war you need to be a little graceful to the losers. It will not serve anyone well to be small in victory. I'm not sure I agree with the last part. The first part was kinda what my point is. At the moment it is a great stop gap until the issue can be sorted out legally.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 221 #464 December 23, 2015 billvon>Ah, so do you not think it is a good compromise? What's wrong with obeying the law?You tell me.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,008 #465 December 23, 2015 >You tell me. Tell you what? Are you suggesting you would disobey drug laws as well? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 221 #466 December 23, 2015 billvon>You tell me. Tell you what? Are you suggesting you would disobey drug laws as well? How about these guys disobeying the law?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #467 December 23, 2015 Not really sure I am understanding your point. You have always maintained that you feel that everybody should follow the law, regardless if they agree with said law. Now this is no longer the case because other people don't think the same way you do? Or have you simply found something where you don't agree with the law and you don't have the same opinion anymore? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 221 #468 December 23, 2015 SkyDekkerNot really sure I am understanding your point. You have always maintained that you feel that everybody should follow the law, regardless if they agree with said law. Now this is no longer the case because other people don't think the same way you do? Or have you simply found something where you don't agree with the law and you don't have the same opinion anymore? The idea I am pointing out is that all the left leaning people here were very much Ok for the law to not be enforced when it fits their view. Now all y'all are voicing the need to enforce this law. I think it is a compromise until the law can be changed. I think the bitch should be in jail. I have always said that. Funny though watching the bias show.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,008 #469 December 23, 2015 >You have always maintained that you feel that everybody should follow the >law, regardless if they agree with said law. Right. Except for him, of course. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #470 December 23, 2015 QuoteThe idea I am pointing out is that all the left leaning people here were very much Ok for the law to not be enforced when it fits their view. Now all y'all are voicing the need to enforce this law. Except that is not what happened. You suggested a compromise. The reaction you are getting is because previously you have stated that you are not in favour of compromises and people should just follow the law. When I say I hate beer and then suggest we go and drink beer, people will likely respond wondering why I now want to drink beer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,008 #471 December 23, 2015 >How about these guys disobeying the law? "Sanctuary Cities Ignore ICE Orders to Free 9,295 Criminal Aliens" Again, what about them? Do you feel they should break the law too? Or are your causes the only causes where the law should be broken? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 2,216 #472 December 23, 2015 QuoteAt the moment it is a great stop gap until the issue can be sorted out legally. Yes. The Governor of Kentucky is just looking for a way out of a political dilemma. The fight for the right of gays to marry is over. The swamp has been drained, why do people need to pretend they are still up to their asses in alligators?Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,008 #473 December 23, 2015 >The swamp has been drained, why do people need to pretend they are still >up to their asses in alligators? There are some people who aren't happy unless they can be seen as victims of said alligators. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 221 #474 December 23, 2015 billvon >The swamp has been drained, why do people need to pretend they are still >up to their asses in alligators? There are some people who aren't happy unless they can be seen as victims of said alligators. Especially the parade throwing people.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,500 #475 December 23, 2015 QuoteEspecially the parade throwing people. What have you got against small town America?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
