Planned Parenthood and the term "slippery slope" .

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tkhayes

My claim was simply the level of paradox and hypocrisy that actually exists.

About the same level of paradox and hypocrisy as when the pro-choice movement fails to protest the criminalization of prostitution and drugs.

These "movements" focus strictly on abortion and shouldn't be expected to address every human rights issue. Now maybe you don't like the name "pro-life," but that's your problem - nobody cares.

Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

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tkhayes

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The real elephant in the room is the 53 plus million people who, like us, could have been here discussing this issue. But were instead , terminated.

or the other way to look at it is the 53 million abortions done since Roe v Wade make this OBVIOUSLY a medically necessary procedure for some ~53M women. High in demand, with women exercising their free right to do so. hooray for freedom and rights.

By your analogy, just because people do it, it is medically necessary.

How many people have ever injected heroin?
Does that make it medically necessary?

One wonders why this issue is so important to you to justify. Well, likely more than one.
But for the sake of argument we will leave it at one.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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name a source for your claim that pro-life people do not protest the criminalization of prostitution and drugs.

I am all for and always have been for the legalization of prostitution and almost all drugs.

i can wait.

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By your analogy, just because people do it, it is medically necessary.

I made no such claim, but the sheer numbers do tend to indicate that
A) there are a lot of them and
B) it is in fact a medical procedure and to your other point
C) injecting heroin for recreational use in NOT in fact a medical procedure,

but thanks so much for bolstering and making my point.

And I am making the point because it is a further argument for women's rights (medically necessary regardless fo whether you think it is or not, just like my choice to get a hip replacement is my right and medically necessary whether or not you think it is) and a further 'dis'-argument to the hypocrisy of people that pretend to be pro-life, when really they just believe what they believe with little basis in fact or reality. As do most Christians and right-wing types.

not much fact, lots of emotions, and lots of hypocrisy. Yes I mean you. in general.

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tkhayes

I am all for and always have been for the legalization of prostitution and almost all drugs.

i can wait.

And every pro-lifer that I've met has been against world hunger and donated time and/or money to the cause.

...and just for the record, I'm pro choice but spend my time advocating the choice for life - so wtf are you gonna do about that?

Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

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I asked for a source, I meant something other than you

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wtf are you talking about?

Just admit that you made another asinine comparison.

Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

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Hey, you just tried to tie abortion prostitution and drugs into a thought. And I'm the one with asinine comparisons?

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tkhayes

Hey, you just tried to tie abortion prostitution and drugs into a thought. And I'm the one with asinine comparisons?

Exactly, my objective was to show how asinine it was to tie abortion and world hunger into a thought...I'm glad you get it now. You're not as dumb as I thought.

Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

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tkhayes

By your analogy, just because people do it, it is medically necessary.

I made no such claim, but the sheer numbers do tend to indicate that
>>>>?? huh ?? Do you ever even read what you write?

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or the other way to look at it is the 53 million abortions done since Roe v Wade make this OBVIOUSLY a medically necessary procedure for some ~53M women.

C) injecting heroin for recreational use in NOT in fact a medical procedure,
>>>>and I repeat, by what you said, since there are so many people doing it, and so many instances occur, it is now, at least by your argument, a medically necessary procedure.

but thanks so much for bolstering and making my point.
>>>>and thank you for clarifying my original rebut to your silly statement that because there were so many fine that it is OBVIOUSLY a medical necessity.

not much fact, lots of emotions, and lots of hypocrisy. Yes I mean you. in general.
>>>> it seems to me that I am the one looking at this with an analytical eye, and not the one working on emotional fuel. I know my past is clear. That is one way I can look at this objectively.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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Wait, aren't you bitching in another thread about how some posters talk to you?

Yet your comments here.....

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And your one warning. Cut it out.

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billvon

And your one warning. Cut it out.

I appreciate the back up.

To be fair, though, I am guilty, at least as guilty as the next guy, of being a hypocrite.

I don't find him to be that far out of line.

I can see where you might see it that way.

Just putting that out there. It's all supposed to be friendly banter. I don't think he did, or at least I credit him for not being directly or maliciously insulting.

At least I hope not.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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normiss

Wait, aren't you bitching in another thread about how some posters talk to you?

No.

Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

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PP files lawsuit: http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/01/pp-files-lawsuit-over-secretly-filmed-videos.html

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

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http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/02/03/video-shows-planned-parenthood-accounting-tricks-to-hide-profits-from-baby-parts-sales/

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A new video released by the Center for Medical Progress (CMP) appears to show how Planned Parenthood uses accounting gimmicks to hide profits created through the sale of body parts of aborted babies.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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A new video released by the Center for Medical Progress (CMP) appears to show how Planned Parenthood uses accounting gimmicks to hide profits created through the sale of body parts of aborted babies.

Sure, they lied last time and very carefully edited the video to alter the intent of PP. But THIS time they are going to be totally honest. Trust them.

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billvon

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A new video released by the Center for Medical Progress (CMP) appears to show how Planned Parenthood uses accounting gimmicks to hide profits created through the sale of body parts of aborted babies.

Sure, they lied last time and very carefully edited the video to alter the intent of PP. But THIS time they are going to be totally honest. Trust them.

the lie is that the videos were edited
THAT has been proven and is fact

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[normiss 800]

Maybe they'll get some more charges tacked on too.

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the lie is that the videos were edited
THAT has been proven and is fact

So you are claiming that CMP did not edit those videos before releasing them?

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billvon

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the lie is that the videos were edited
THAT has been proven and is fact

So you are claiming that CMP did not edit those videos before releasing them?

Read the report I linked in this thread
THAT is what I am claiming

YOU are inferring that they alerted the content to mislead (like NBC did with the Zimmerman audio)
That did not happen

I will bring it back up just for you

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Forensic Analysis: Planned Parenthood Videos Are ‘Authentic’

The Coalfire Systems report is at the end of the following link


http://dailysignal.com/2015/09/29/forensic-analysis-planned-parenthood-videos-are-authentic/

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[billvon 2,991]

>YOU are inferring that they alerted the content to mislead

Did you mean "altered?" If so, they EDITED the content to mislead. From factcheck.org:

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Several Republican presidential candidates have claimed that Planned Parenthood is “profiting” from abortions. But the full, unedited video they cite as evidence shows a Planned Parenthood executive repeatedly saying its clinics want to cover their costs, not make money, when donating fetal tissue from abortions for scientific research.

. . .

Nucatola’s comment, though, isn’t evidence that Planned Parenthood or its affiliates are selling “body parts” or fetal tissue for profit. The full video shows that after Nucatola mentions the $30 to $100, she describes how those amounts would be reimbursement for expenses related to handling and transportation of the tissues. Nucatola talks about “space issues” and whether shipping would be involved.
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There was a reason they had to lie, forge documents and carefully edit the video to make it look like Planned Parenthood was profiting from selling fetal tissue - because if they had not done so, and just presented the unedited facts, it would be clear they were not.

You've already lost this one pretty conclusively. I am surprised you keep bringing it up.

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You might be the only one.

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*yawn*

So another set of videos are released shortly after the state of Texas clears PP of any wrongdoing yet indicts the makers of the original videos. Anything to keep the republican base riled up and take the attention off of the clowns running for the republican nomination.

“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.”

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rushmc

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the lie is that the videos were edited
THAT has been proven and is fact

So you are claiming that CMP did not edit those videos before releasing them?

Read the report I linked in this thread
THAT is what I am claiming

YOU are inferring that they alerted the content to mislead (like NBC did with the Zimmerman audio)
That did not happen

I will bring it back up just for you

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Forensic Analysis: Planned Parenthood Videos Are ‘Authentic’

The Coalfire Systems report is at the end of the following link


http://dailysignal.com/2015/09/29/forensic-analysis-planned-parenthood-videos-are-authentic/

And there is another report that claims differently

http://ppfa.pr-optout.com/ViewAttachment.aspx?EID=mr9WXYw4u2IxYnni1dBRVk3HDyuhhkPMnFMCvK5fVC8%3d

So, with two opposing reports it clearly isn't a fact, nor has it been proven. Nor is it a lie that the videos have been edited. Even your linked report admits the files have been edited, they just claim the portions left out weren't relevant.