Planned Parenthood and the term "slippery slope" .

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Amazon

************On record as PRO CHOICE LIBERTARIAN right here.

I am pro life too
I chose life
I chose to be gay!

Imagine if mom chose differently.

If I have to be put in some box, I'd say I am pro innocent murder.

That was the norm before 1972... The realities of unwanted pregnancies of unwed mothers has changed. Back then it was not readily available and it was certainly not safe.
>>then it's a good thing medicine has progressed so that if it is a necessary procedure, it can be performed safely.

Back Alley coat hanger abortions did happen before 1972 but the mortality rate for women was pretty high.... I guess they deserved death because they were not innocent virgins huh.
>> everyone know that, most have even seen Dirty Dancing

Ever wonder what the numbers are or have been for the well to do PRO-BIRTH Crowd when their precious baby girl managed to embarrass daddy and mommy with a pregnancy and a solution to that is quickly found so the family is not embarrassed at their church.

>>No, I never did, nor do I care.
If it's not an absolutely necessary procedure, or she was forced, then you should be responsible for your own actions. You know, that whole personal responsibility thing.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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turtlespeed

***************On record as PRO CHOICE LIBERTARIAN right here.

I am pro life too
I chose life
I chose to be gay!

Imagine if mom chose differently.

If I have to be put in some box, I'd say I am pro innocent murder.

That was the norm before 1972... The realities of unwanted pregnancies of unwed mothers has changed. Back then it was not readily available and it was certainly not safe.
>>then it's a good thing medicine has progressed so that if it is a necessary procedure, it can be performed safely.

Back Alley coat hanger abortions did happen before 1972 but the mortality rate for women was pretty high.... I guess they deserved death because they were not innocent virgins huh.
>> everyone know that, most have even seen Dirty Dancing

Ever wonder what the numbers are or have been for the well to do PRO-BIRTH Crowd when their precious baby girl managed to embarrass daddy and mommy with a pregnancy and a solution to that is quickly found so the family is not embarrassed at their church.

>>No, I never did, nor do I care.
If it's not an absolutely necessary procedure, or she was forced, then you should be responsible for your own actions. You know, that whole personal responsibility thing.



So you are good dictating what other human beings do with their bodies.....???? That does not sound very Patriotic American of you.... the FF fought for the rights of self determinations.. I guess that did not extend to the other 51% of the population... I tend to be very libertarian... a REAL one not the FAUX ones with a thin veneer of supposed libertarian.... but control freak christian GOP thru and thru in their core

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Amazon

******************On record as PRO CHOICE LIBERTARIAN right here.

I am pro life too
I chose life
I chose to be gay!

Imagine if mom chose differently.

If I have to be put in some box, I'd say I am pro innocent murder.

That was the norm before 1972... The realities of unwanted pregnancies of unwed mothers has changed. Back then it was not readily available and it was certainly not safe.
>>then it's a good thing medicine has progressed so that if it is a necessary procedure, it can be performed safely.

Back Alley coat hanger abortions did happen before 1972 but the mortality rate for women was pretty high.... I guess they deserved death because they were not innocent virgins huh.
>> everyone know that, most have even seen Dirty Dancing

Ever wonder what the numbers are or have been for the well to do PRO-BIRTH Crowd when their precious baby girl managed to embarrass daddy and mommy with a pregnancy and a solution to that is quickly found so the family is not embarrassed at their church.

>>No, I never did, nor do I care.
If it's not an absolutely necessary procedure, or she was forced, then you should be responsible for your own actions. You know, that whole personal responsibility thing.



So you are good dictating what other human beings do with their bodies.....???? That does not sound very Patriotic American of you.... the FF fought for the rights of self determinations.. I guess that did not extend to the other 51% of the population... I tend to be very libertarian... a REAL one not the FAUX ones with a thin veneer of supposed libertarian.... but control freak christian GOP thru and thru in their core

Are you ok with people being given the right for self termination at any point without proper counseling?

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

[wmw999 2,444]

Everyone has the right to self termination. It's only against the law in some jurisdictions to fail

In the case of abortion, one has to balance the rights of the already-born mother against those of the fetus (that's the word). It's a continuum, and one hopes that most decisions are made by responsible people. However, just like everything else in life (guns, driving, drinking, parenthood) it's not always.

People can disagree on the lines where society should step in on all of these. But all of them hold the potential or likelihood of damage to people both born and unborn.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[grue 1]

turtlespeed

Are you ok with people being given the right for self termination at any point without proper counseling?

I am!

cavete terrae.

[Anvilbrother 0]

http://youtu.be/_sW48l1Fpcg Dave Attell joke.

Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along,

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grue

***
Are you ok with people being given the right for self termination at any point without proper counseling?

I am!

So as long as you are of the age of majority, it should be allowed, without question.
Planned livelihood can market and make it seem more attractive to suicide.

That, and all your tissue is up for grabs, but only after planned livelihood decides how they can make more money maximizing dividends off of your death and may even compensate your estate, but that last part is disputed, and must be false because the left disputes it.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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grue

***
Are you ok with people being given the right for self termination at any point without proper counseling?

I am!

I have voted YES in Oregon and then later when I moved to Washington they had a similar measure on the ballot. When someone is terminally ill... in pain.... and zip for quality of life... I would prefer to be over and done and pass on.

I have watched friends linger.. it is a horrid thing to happen to a person that was once vibrant and alive... slipping slowly away.

[Coreeece 2]

gowlerk

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Human tissue is used in research all the time. You and your kind are merely trying to spin an ordinary non issue to try and make it support your narrow moral beliefs.

...your kind? what the fuck is that supposed to mean?

to date I have been ambivalent on this issue, choosing to not take a side because abortion, as a choice, is deeply personal and i don't have to live with that choice.

however, these videos and the implications make me physically ill.

your callous response to the OP leads me to believe that the videos have not affected you at all.

I can only hope that this is not the case.

In this case "your kind" was meant to refer to those who want to force their view upon others and to make others comply with what is essentially their religious view. A little like Taliban.

Well, in this case...if you haven't already noticed, abortion is legal and nobody is forcing their view upon others to make them comply...

Also, it's just as ignorant to think of this as just a religious issue as it is to think that all conservatives are christian...

This is about influence. I prefer a society that celebrates and promotes life. I can tolerated a society that promotes choice, but I cannot tolerate a society that promotes abortion.

What bothers me most are the late term abortions...as if a "mother's choice" is what gives significance to life. One mother mourns the loss of her 22 week pregnancy...maybe she even has a funeral, while another aborts her 28 week old without shedding a tear - the body parts then sold in a callous business transaction.

gowlerk

That fact that something is unpleasant to watch does not make it wrong.

What makes it wrong is the part about getting rid of another life to fix a personal problem caused by your mistake...you can rationalize it any way you want...you can even legalize it.

Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

[Coreeece 2]

grue

Pregnancy is nothing more than hosting a parasite, and getting rid of that parasite can be the best life choice for a lot of people.

Please don't project your progenetic shortcomings onto the rest of humanity.

Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

[Coreeece 2]

kallend

"I do not believe that just because you're opposed to abortion, that that makes you pro-life. In fact, I think in many cases, your morality is deeply lacking if all you want is a child born but not a child fed, not a child educated, not a child housed. And why would I think that you don't? Because you don't want any tax money to go there. That's not pro-life. That's pro-birth. We need a much broader conversation on what the morality of pro-life is."; Sister Joan Chittister, Benedictine order.

Now that's pretty low...stealing a straw man from a little old nun.

Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

[Coreeece 2]

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Ever wonder what the numbers are or have been for the well to do PRO-BIRTH Crowd when their precious baby girl managed to embarrass daddy and mommy with a pregnancy and a solution to that is quickly found so the family is not embarrassed at their church.

"Ever wonder why people that know the least know it the loudest?"

Ever wonder how many young women actually wanted to have the baby, but killed it out of fear and/or ignorance of her options/resources - lack of counseling?

Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour

[wmw999 2,444]

That's an honest and heartfelt point of view; I can appreciate it. When I was nineteen, I honestly thought that abortion should be legal until the day before birth. I was wrong, and ignorant, and defensive.

I don't see abortion as being promoted by much of anyone within the norm. Really. It's legal, but it's disapproved of, and difficult in many places. Of course there are people who promote it, but there are people who join gangs, people who think cheating on their spouse is OK, people who think that some minorities, foreigners, or religions don't need to be considered as being equal -- you get the point.

As long as contraception and education are the easiest option, people will be better armed to make good decisions.

But just in case people think it's always piss poor planning, I've had normally-reliable birth control fail, and at least one friend also. It's not always "just keep your legs closed." In both cases I know for sure, the couples were married, and just didn't feel ready to have a child. Peoples' stories are just about always more complex than we think they are.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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Coreeece

***Ever wonder what the numbers are or have been for the well to do PRO-BIRTH Crowd when their precious baby girl managed to embarrass daddy and mommy with a pregnancy and a solution to that is quickly found so the family is not embarrassed at their church.

"Ever wonder why people that know the least know it the loudest?"

Ever wonder how many young women actually wanted to have the baby, but killed it out of fear and/or ignorance of her options/resources - lack of counseling?

Usually it is a total lack of support of any kind as the sister said. She knows thee state of this country... and now much a child is cherished once it is born.

Parenting is supposed to be a team sport.. yet we as a people are failing at that as well. Options..... really????? many in the Pro birth crowd want to see the child born at any cost... to the mother... but they are not willing to help at any cost once it is born.

I had a friend.... who really hated abortion... because in her mind.. there was a lack of good white babies she might possibly adopt.


If you listened to that statement as I did... I decided I no longer needed a friend of her kind anywhere near me.

[normiss 798]

Sounds pretty much like my ex-wife and I.
We decided on an abortion.
A number of years before we had 3 beautiful children.
It wasn't the time nor place for us to bring a child into the world when we got pregnant the first time.
I still stand by that decision to this day.

[Driver1 0]

wmw999

Everyone has the right to self termination. It's only against the law in some jurisdictions to fail

In the case of abortion, one has to balance the rights of the already-born mother against those of the fetus (that's the word). It's a continuum, and one hopes that most decisions are made by responsible people. However, just like everything else in life (guns, driving, drinking, parenthood) it's not always.

People can disagree on the lines where society should step in on all of these. But all of them hold the potential or likelihood of damage to people both born and unborn.

Wendy P.

The only thing we have against suicide, is life insurance companies will not pay out in that case.

There will be no addressing the customers as "Bitches", "Morons" or "Retards"!

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Driver1

***Everyone has the right to self termination. It's only against the law in some jurisdictions to fail

In the case of abortion, one has to balance the rights of the already-born mother against those of the fetus (that's the word). It's a continuum, and one hopes that most decisions are made by responsible people. However, just like everything else in life (guns, driving, drinking, parenthood) it's not always.

People can disagree on the lines where society should step in on all of these. But all of them hold the potential or likelihood of damage to people both born and unborn.

Wendy P.

The only thing we have against suicide, is life insurance companies will not pay out in that case.

What annoys me is this kind of crap...

http://www.bing.com/search?q=terri+schiavo&qs=OS&pq=terry+shiavo&sc=8-12&sp=1&cvid=866ff7f956664b40a9fae34a15ca38dc&FORM=QBLH


Someone is gone.... no chance of returning so they decide to use extraordinary measures to keep the vegetable alive to enrich the doctors and care facilities and bankrupt peoples families. When it's time to go.... IT IS TIME TO GO.

[Driver1 0]

Amazon

******Everyone has the right to self termination. It's only against the law in some jurisdictions to fail

In the case of abortion, one has to balance the rights of the already-born mother against those of the fetus (that's the word). It's a continuum, and one hopes that most decisions are made by responsible people. However, just like everything else in life (guns, driving, drinking, parenthood) it's not always.

People can disagree on the lines where society should step in on all of these. But all of them hold the potential or likelihood of damage to people both born and unborn.

Wendy P.

The only thing we have against suicide, is life insurance companies will not pay out in that case.

What annoys me is this kind of crap...

http://www.bing.com/search?q=terri+schiavo&qs=OS&pq=terry+shiavo&sc=8-12&sp=1&cvid=866ff7f956664b40a9fae34a15ca38dc&FORM=QBLH


Someone is gone.... no chance of returning so they decide to use extraordinary measures to keep the vegetable alive to enrich the doctors and care facilities and bankrupt peoples families. When it's time to go.... IT IS TIME TO GO.

All the more reason to have a living will and DNR orders set up. Terri was still young and had no idea she would be incapacitated so early. You never know.

There will be no addressing the customers as "Bitches", "Morons" or "Retards"!

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Driver1

*********Everyone has the right to self termination. It's only against the law in some jurisdictions to fail

In the case of abortion, one has to balance the rights of the already-born mother against those of the fetus (that's the word). It's a continuum, and one hopes that most decisions are made by responsible people. However, just like everything else in life (guns, driving, drinking, parenthood) it's not always.

People can disagree on the lines where society should step in on all of these. But all of them hold the potential or likelihood of damage to people both born and unborn.

Wendy P.

The only thing we have against suicide, is life insurance companies will not pay out in that case.

What annoys me is this kind of crap...

http://www.bing.com/search?q=terri+schiavo&qs=OS&pq=terry+shiavo&sc=8-12&sp=1&cvid=866ff7f956664b40a9fae34a15ca38dc&FORM=QBLH


Someone is gone.... no chance of returning so they decide to use extraordinary measures to keep the vegetable alive to enrich the doctors and care facilities and bankrupt peoples families. When it's time to go.... IT IS TIME TO GO.

All the more reason to have a living will and DNR orders set up. Terri was still young and had no idea she would be incapacitated so early. You never know.

Hey LOOK....... we agree on something... who knew

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Coreeece

*** Pregnancy is nothing more than hosting a parasite, and getting rid of that parasite can be the best life choice for a lot of people.

Please don't project your progenetic shortcomings onto the rest of humanity.

There's not much to really dispute. It's the classic definition of parasite.

cavete terrae.

[JerryBaumchen 1,362]

Hi Driver,

Quote

The only thing we have against suicide, is life insurance companies will not pay out in that case.

Many years ago, a good friend sold life insurance. He once told me that the policies would pay out after a 3-yr wait.

My group policy at work would pay out the the next day.

Jerry Baumchen

[kallend 2,026]

For you:

...

The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[normiss 798]

Speaking of which, I noticed last week that Bobby Kristina died.
Again.

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normiss

Speaking of which, I noticed last week that Bobby Kristina died.
Again.

And the fun and games started immediately right after that to see who in the family profits the most from what she inherited from her mother.

This show will be playing out for a long time

[normiss 798]

I don't understand how an aunt has claim to anything...but I expect you're right!
Some of the ugliest human behavior is shown after the loss of a family member.