turtlespeed 220 #351 August 18, 2015 promise5It's SC why would I tell anyone to shut up? Unless of course it was a personal attack on someone else. But even then I think it's a more " grow the heck up" type of thing. As far as pming others again where did I tell anyone to go talk to so and so? I didn't. You are trying to do the equivalent of making a waterfall turn around and go back upstream. As far as they are concerned, they are the be all end all and what they think is what it is, we just haven't realized it yet. We - they - we - they . . . You can't tell someone who approves of killing babies, no matter what the age is, that they are morally corrupt, they simply cannot make the connection. It's like trying to explain retardation vs autism to a retarded child.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #352 August 18, 2015 >Gotta call the unborn baby fetus to sell it to yourself huh.. I call it that because that's what it is. But that term isn't emotional enough for you - so you call it a baby, because that meets your political goals. Orwell would be proud. Some suggestions if you have trouble getting enough outrage with the words "fetus" or "baby:" beautiful unique snowflake "that could be you" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 801 #353 August 18, 2015 Then grow the heck up and accept there are people the world over with differing views. Leave them be to live their life the way they chose. Seems to be something most religious people refuse to do. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #354 August 18, 2015 >it is not up to the doctor - he's a consultant and a service provider only, not a >decision maker. the 'decision' can only lie with the woman or those legally >obligated to care for her In most cases, yes. However, he has an obligation to do no harm - and thus will sometimes refuse to perform a procedure that will endanger the woman excessively. Outside that case, however, I agree with your sentiment above. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,523 #355 August 18, 2015 promise5 ...But this is also about the ILLEGAL practice of selling human body parts. That's against the law. Correct. But the only people who were willing to break the law were the people who made the video. The PP rep made it clear that selling was illegal. In case you haven't figured it out, the entire video was a sham. An "agent provocateur" attempt to portray PP as law breaking, fetal tissue selling 'evil-doers'."There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
promise5 17 #356 August 18, 2015 Yes selling is illegal so let's call it something different. Sorry but it's selling. They don't donate, they want money for each "part" or "piece" they get and they want to get the most money they can. Even to the point of changing procedures so they can even get more.No matter how slowly you say oranges it never sounds like gullible. Believe me I tried. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #357 August 18, 2015 If the only way you can make your case is to fabricate evidence and lie about it, then you don't have a very good case to begin with.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #358 August 18, 2015 >People also have opinions that when you reach a certain age you're no longer >useful to society so those people should be assisted to die. Yes, people have that opinion. The only person whose opinion should matter is the person whose body it is. >Or if you want the dog and it gets pregnant you should be as to kill the puppies >either as soon as they're born or how about half deliver them and then kill >them? Should be ok with everyone. Do I think it's OK? No. Does animal control do this on occasion to prevent overcrowding of shelters? Yes. >But this is also about the ILLEGAL practice of selling human body parts. >That's against the law. It's not illegal. (That's a good thing; it is why you and your children don't have to worry about polio.) It's illegal to PROFIT from it - and Planned Parenthood didn't. >So you don't have a problem with a pregnant woman drinking or smoking or >doing drugs ? I do. I also have a problem with abortion. I'd try to talk friends of mine out of doing all those things. But in the end it's their choice, not mine. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
promise5 17 #359 August 18, 2015 I accept that people have different views then I do and it has nothing to do with religion. But this is SC and this is a forum to express them. No offense intended.No matter how slowly you say oranges it never sounds like gullible. Believe me I tried. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
promise5 17 #360 August 18, 2015 So PP doesn't make a profit ??No matter how slowly you say oranges it never sounds like gullible. Believe me I tried. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #361 August 18, 2015 >Sorry but it's selling. They don't donate, they want money for each "part" or >"piece" they get and they want to get the most money they can. >Even to the point of changing procedures so they can even get more. You've been duped by a very carefully edited video. Here's the parts of the video that you DIDN'T see: ============= "This is not a new revenue stream the affiliates are looking at. This is a way to offer the patient the service that they want. Do good for the medical community." "Our goal, like I said, is to give patients the option without impacting our bottom line. The messaging is this should not be seen as a new revenue stream, because that's not what it is." "Affiliates are not looking to make money by doing this. They're looking to serve their patients and just make it not impact their bottom line." ============== Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #362 August 18, 2015 >So PP doesn't make a profit ?? Not on this. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 801 #363 August 18, 2015 A LOT of the anti-abortion folks are religious, apologies for grouping you with them if that's not your take. It's a legal procedure we have accepted as a society. You don't have to have one if you disagree. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Elisha 1 #364 August 18, 2015 normissThen grow the heck up and accept there are people the world over with differing views. Leave them be to live their life the way they chose. Seems to be something most religious people refuse to do. It's "just religious people." http://www.secularprolife.org/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
promise5 17 #365 August 18, 2015 Not religious but I have faith which is very different. But on the thought that society finds is acceptable, that doesn't mean it is. And it's a group in society that does, I'm part of this society and I don't. Same as others.No matter how slowly you say oranges it never sounds like gullible. Believe me I tried. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 220 #366 August 18, 2015 billvon>Sorry but it's selling. They don't donate, they want money for each "part" or >"piece" they get and they want to get the most money they can. >Even to the point of changing procedures so they can even get more. You've been duped by a very carefully edited video. Here's the parts of the video that you DIDN'T see: ============= "This is not a new revenue stream the affiliates are looking at. This is a way to offer the patient the service that they want. Do good for the medical community." "Our goal, like I said, is to give patients the option without impacting our bottom line. The messaging is this should not be seen as a new revenue stream, because that's not what it is." "Affiliates are not looking to make money by doing this. They're looking to serve their patients and just make it not impact their bottom line." ============== I put the check in the mail. A handshake is just as good as a contract. I'll just put the tip in. Sounds just the same to me. ETA: trust me, I'm a police officer. Trust me, I'm a doctor and smoking isn't bad for you.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #367 August 18, 2015 billvon>I do. I also have a problem with abortion. I'd try to talk friends of mine out of doing all those things. But in the end it's their choice, not mine. + + + + + + ^ Nicely stated. (typically, when one is willing to support another when they are making a decision that one personally disagrees with - I think that's when we really achieve an appreciation of individualism. it's a balance - 1 - coming up short would be to force another to carry to term 2 - overshooting would be to force people to pay for another's abortion) ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 801 #368 August 18, 2015 That. Is. A. Very. Disturbing group. Very. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #369 August 18, 2015 >Sounds just the same to me. "A man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 220 #370 August 18, 2015 billvon>Sounds just the same to me. "A man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest." Are you telling on yourself?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #371 August 18, 2015 No. Your the duped one with talking points Again "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #372 August 18, 2015 promise5Not religious but I have faith which is very different. But on the thought that society finds is acceptable, that doesn't mean it is. And it's a group in society that does, I'm part of this society and I don't. Same as others. +1"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #373 August 18, 2015 turtlespeed***>Sounds just the same to me. "A man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest." Are you telling on yourself? Yes he is It is called projecting"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
promise5 17 #374 August 18, 2015 Not impact their bottom line? So they want to make a profit and thus is one way they do it. If they're making a profit they sure don't need our tax money.No matter how slowly you say oranges it never sounds like gullible. Believe me I tried. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 801 #375 August 18, 2015 The Supremes have ruled, it's an accepted procedure in our society. Deal with it. There are a number of things some of us will never agree on, doesn't make it wrong for someone else to chose to do those things you don't like. We have to accept people for how they are, not how we want them to be. There are plenty of things I don't like or agree with. I don't do those things. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
