jakee 1,489 #601 September 8, 2015 rushmc***>So...you can't prove it. Of course he can't. Indeed, he is relying on other's ignorance in his claims. Anyone who watches more than the edited section of the video that he was fed knows that Planned Parenthood was doing exactly what they claimed they were doing - providing fetal tissue to other organizations for research and therapeutic purposes. Well you just proved you did not watch them Prove it. Tell us exactly what they said that backs up your claim.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #602 September 8, 2015 >Prove it. Tell us exactly what they said that backs up your claim. Well, he didn't watch them either. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 800 #604 September 21, 2015 That's excellent! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
headoverheels 333 #605 September 21, 2015 I expect that those numbers are by numbers of patient visits, not by dollars spent. i.e., I expect that abortions comprise 3% of the visits, and more than 3% of the funds spent. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #606 September 21, 2015 I thought Obamacare provided basic health care for everyone. Now you tell me it's PPH?Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #607 September 21, 2015 airdvr I thought Obamacare provided basic health care for everyone. Now you tell me it's PPH? You do not grasp the reality of many womens lives. Underpaid... overworked... and affordable healthcare is still lacking for many who do not have shit Obamacare was RmoneyCare and is great for the insurance industry..... well at least the companies that actually PROVIDED payment when you needed services. The insurance companies did everything they could to give people bogus plans.... and still are behind the idiocy of Cruz et al to get rid of it so they can go back to selling shit that will not cover people. PP on the other hand actually takes care of that whole PLANNING a family thing.. and womens healthcare that is substandard in most places compared to what you as a man can get.And lets not forget that a hell of a lot of women... live in POVERTY... if you ain't lived it.... I guess you just do not grasp it. http://www.nwlc.org/our-issues/poverty-%2526-income-support/data-on-poverty-%2526-income Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #608 September 21, 2015 Lmao what! Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #609 September 21, 2015 Amazon ***I thought Obamacare provided basic health care for everyone. Now you tell me it's PPH? You do not grasp the reality of many womens lives. Underpaid... overworked... and affordable healthcare is still lacking for many who do not have shit Obamacare was RmoneyCare and is great for the insurance industry..... well at least the companies that actually PROVIDED payment when you needed services. The insurance companies did everything they could to give people bogus plans.... and still are behind the idiocy of Cruz et al to get rid of it so they can go back to selling shit that will not cover people. PP on the other hand actually takes care of that whole PLANNING a family thing.. and womens healthcare that is substandard in most places compared to what you as a man can get.And lets not forget that a hell of a lot of women... live in POVERTY... if you ain't lived it.... I guess you just do not grasp it. http://www.nwlc.org/our-issues/poverty-%2526-income-support/data-on-poverty-%2526-income Wait. If you don't have shit and you live in POVERTY you get healthcare PROVIDED for free. Been that way for a long time. Men and women. Try again.Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #610 September 21, 2015 airdvr ******I thought Obamacare provided basic health care for everyone. Now you tell me it's PPH? You do not grasp the reality of many womens lives. Underpaid... overworked... and affordable healthcare is still lacking for many who do not have shit Obamacare was RmoneyCare and is great for the insurance industry..... well at least the companies that actually PROVIDED payment when you needed services. The insurance companies did everything they could to give people bogus plans.... and still are behind the idiocy of Cruz et al to get rid of it so they can go back to selling shit that will not cover people. PP on the other hand actually takes care of that whole PLANNING a family thing.. and womens healthcare that is substandard in most places compared to what you as a man can get.And lets not forget that a hell of a lot of women... live in POVERTY... if you ain't lived it.... I guess you just do not grasp it. http://www.nwlc.org/our-issues/poverty-%2526-income-support/data-on-poverty-%2526-income Wait. If you don't have shit and you live in POVERTY you get healthcare PROVIDED for free. Been that way for a long time. Men and women. Try again. Have you ever tried using that "free" healthcare that you tout as being so great????Control freaks wanna control. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #611 September 21, 2015 Amazon *********I thought Obamacare provided basic health care for everyone. Now you tell me it's PPH? You do not grasp the reality of many womens lives. Underpaid... overworked... and affordable healthcare is still lacking for many who do not have shit Obamacare was RmoneyCare and is great for the insurance industry..... well at least the companies that actually PROVIDED payment when you needed services. The insurance companies did everything they could to give people bogus plans.... and still are behind the idiocy of Cruz et al to get rid of it so they can go back to selling shit that will not cover people. PP on the other hand actually takes care of that whole PLANNING a family thing.. and womens healthcare that is substandard in most places compared to what you as a man can get.And lets not forget that a hell of a lot of women... live in POVERTY... if you ain't lived it.... I guess you just do not grasp it. http://www.nwlc.org/our-issues/poverty-%2526-income-support/data-on-poverty-%2526-income Wait. If you don't have shit and you live in POVERTY you get healthcare PROVIDED for free. Been that way for a long time. Men and women. Try again. Have you ever tried using that "free" healthcare that you tout as being so great????Control freaks wanna control. So you're saying the FREE healthcare provided by PPH sucks. Got it. To be clear, I don't have a real problem with abortions to a point. I think it gets pretty sketchy in the second trimester. If you are going to have an abortion exercise your rights and get it done...quickly before the controversy begins. However, if your point is PPH is providing free healthcare my point is it already exists. You needn't have redundant systems the taxpayers must support. Understand? Or are you just parroting the party line?Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 220 #612 September 21, 2015 Amazon *********I thought Obamacare provided basic health care for everyone. Now you tell me it's PPH? You do not grasp the reality of many womens lives. Underpaid... overworked... and affordable healthcare is still lacking for many who do not have shit Obamacare was RmoneyCare and is great for the insurance industry..... well at least the companies that actually PROVIDED payment when you needed services. The insurance companies did everything they could to give people bogus plans.... and still are behind the idiocy of Cruz et al to get rid of it so they can go back to selling shit that will not cover people. PP on the other hand actually takes care of that whole PLANNING a family thing.. and womens healthcare that is substandard in most places compared to what you as a man can get.And lets not forget that a hell of a lot of women... live in POVERTY... if you ain't lived it.... I guess you just do not grasp it. http://www.nwlc.org/our-issues/poverty-%2526-income-support/data-on-poverty-%2526-income Wait. If you don't have shit and you live in POVERTY you get healthcare PROVIDED for free. Been that way for a long time. Men and women. Try again. Have you ever tried using that "free" healthcare that you tout as being so great????Looks like the lions share is single mothers . . . Maybe a little personal responsibility is in order, don't you think? Or for some reason, do you think there shouldn't be any responsibility for individuals? Control freaks wanna control.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #613 September 21, 2015 I'm sorry.. Not enough coffee into my dumming it down processor yet. PP actually fills the gap between what the publicly provided free healthcare at the ER provides and what women in poverty actually need. I hope you and your fellow travellers find yourself in need of that kind of healthcare sometime in your life so you can really understand the issue that all of you are so dismissive of. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 800 #614 September 21, 2015 The timing is the critical element, maybe that's why most places, PPH included, do not perform abortions outside the first trimester. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #615 September 21, 2015 AmazonI'm sorry.. Not enough coffee into my dumming it down processor yet. PP actually fills the gap between what the publicly provided free healthcare at the ER provides and what women in poverty actually need. I hope you and your fellow travellers find yourself in need of that kind of healthcare sometime in your life so you can really understand the issue that all of you are so dismissive of. Ok wishing someone ill health and luck in obtaining healthcare and payment has to be a PA at this point. Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyMarko 1 #616 September 21, 2015 Amazon***I thought Obamacare provided basic health care for everyone. Now you tell me it's PPH? You do not grasp the reality of many womens lives. Underpaid... overworked... and affordable healthcare is still lacking for many who do not have shit That sounds like my life. But I'm a man. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #617 September 21, 2015 JohnnyMarko******I thought Obamacare provided basic health care for everyone. Now you tell me it's PPH? You do not grasp the reality of many womens lives. Underpaid... overworked... and affordable healthcare is still lacking for many who do not have shit That sounds like my life. But I'm a man. Statistically... more women and children fall under the poverty line than do men... but in our society that seems to be just peachy keen. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,446 #618 September 22, 2015 Destitute people get to go to the ER and walk the bill. I believe that constitutes what you define as "free health care." There are charity clinics out there; at least in Houston, where I'm familiar with the environment, it's not fast to get in there, if you can at all. There are more people than slots. PP provides some care for free, and some of it using Obamacare insurance, or any other insurance. I believe the point of insurance is to help pay for necessary care; preferably before it's an emergency, or some expensive development (like serious gum disease when regular hygienist tooth cleaning would have prevented it). But hey, it's OK as long as there are some gratuitous bashes in there. I've used Planned Parenthood; I've gotten birth control and Pap smears there in the past. I'd go again; the care was just fine. Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #619 September 28, 2015 Stephen Colbert has a lot of fun with Jon Kyl's statements: http://gawker.com/5791100/watch-stephen-colberts-defense-of-planned-parenthood "There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreeece 2 #620 September 28, 2015 wmw999Destitute people get to go to the ER and walk the bill. I believe that constitutes what you define as "free health care." The medicaid expansion has been a life saver - we are so very grateful. It couldn't have come at a better time for my fiancée. She was once a modestly productive member of society as a veterinarian assistant and then a homemaker. She ran into hard times after her divorce and found it hard to hold a job- which was uncharacteristic of her. We weren't sure what was wrong. At times I would be a bit hard on her...seemed like she was being lazy and had a lack of motivation - at times I thought maybe she was taking our "comfortable" lifestyle for granted - but I also noticed some coordination problems as well....turns out she had terminal brain cancer. Anyway, she had a persistent ear infection and qualified for the medicaid expansion because of her inability to hold a job. Personally, I was a bit embarrassed - I never asked the gov for assistance except for some student loans...I felt like shit that I couldn't take care of her without it. She was diagnosed with a rare anaplastic astrocytoma grade 3 brain tumor and Molina has been absolutely wonderful in covering the expense...we are so grateful. They have covered nearly $200,000 of medical bills for the first two weeks of emergency/inpatient care and diagnosis, plus 6 weeks of radiation and $20,000 for 42 initial generic temodar chemo pills. They also just paid $2200 for 5 more maintenace chemo pills per month and $1700 for a prophylactic antibiotic - tho we had to wait awhile to get that one approved. We did however receive a bill for $120 for 2 weeks of 30 channels of basic hospital cable and telephone that we didn't request. (never understood that one - I get 200 channels + phone and internet for less than that per month...) We also received a bill for $400 which was the difference that the insurance decided not to pay. They also decided not to pay for $800 of physical/speech/occupational therapy...Not a bad deal tho, IMO. Also, in Michigan, the medicaid expansion requires people to pay co-pays and even premiums(?) after the first 6 months, but I'm guessing that the terminally ill get a pass on that. wmw999There are charity clinics out there; at least in Houston, where I'm familiar with the environment, it's not fast to get in there, if you can at all. There are more people than slots. Prior to the medicaid expansion, my fiancée was on a local "sliding scale" program where the majority of people paid $10 per visit and $10 for birth control. It wasn't the best care but there are certainly other options than Planned Parenthood. I know Texas doesn't currently have a medicaid expansion program, but surely they have programs for women other than PP, right?Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tonyhays 86 #621 September 28, 2015 http://m.smh.com.au/nsw/telephone-abortions-with-no-facetoface-doctor-consult-now-available-20150924-gju9a2.html Imagine the outrage if this happened in the U.S.“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.” Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 220 #622 September 28, 2015 tonyhayshttp://m.smh.com.au/nsw/telephone-abortions-with-no-facetoface-doctor-consult-now-available-20150924-gju9a2.html Imagine the outrage if this happened in the U.S. I think that is wonderful, no one likes Australians anyway. I'm so happy that people have better access to being able to kill other humans. Who needs guns. I wonder, what ever happened to personal responsibility, do you think?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #623 September 28, 2015 turtlespeed I'm so happy that people have better access to being able to kill other humans. Who needs guns. Especially when swimming pools are so much more effective.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 220 #624 September 28, 2015 kallend*** I'm so happy that people have better access to being able to kill other humans. Who needs guns. Especially when swimming pools are so much more effective. Meh, what's a little suction and pull between friends.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tonyhays 86 #625 September 28, 2015 QuoteI wonder, what ever happened to personal responsibility, do you think? I'm all for personal responsibility. However, accidents happen. People fuck up. Women should have kids when they are both financially & mentally ready, not when some old white dudes in the government decide when.“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.” Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
