DanG 1 #176 October 16, 2015 Here. I don't lie, it would be unethical. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #177 October 16, 2015 DanGQuoteNo rights Period So, legally you think people should be allowed to buy a kitten at a pet store and torture it to death? How about dog fighting? Should that be illegal? How about bull riding Greased pig contexts Calf roping Why would you want to treat kittens that way? They are so cute"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #178 October 16, 2015 >Protctions maybe Yes, the law protects their rights, just as it does yours. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #179 October 16, 2015 Sorry. You are wrong"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #180 October 16, 2015 QuoteHow about bull riding Greased pig contexts Calf roping How about you answer my questions first? You always bitch that kallend won't answer a direct question. How about it? - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #181 October 16, 2015 DanGQuoteHow about bull riding Greased pig contexts Calf roping How about you answer my questions first? You always bitch that kallend won't answer a direct question. How about it? As soon as you tell me when you stopped beating your wife"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #182 October 16, 2015 QuoteAs soon as you tell me when you stopped beating your wife Typical. I'm not asking if you want to torture kittens or fight dogs. I'm asking if you think it should be legal. It is a simple yes or no question. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Southsidedvr 0 #183 October 16, 2015 If it is the same Daniel I am thinking of he is/was missing an arm, so its gonna be tough to beat her, and that was low. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #184 October 16, 2015 To answer your ridiculous question, refer to post 169"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,489 #185 October 16, 2015 rushmcTo answer your ridiculous question, refer to post 169 Your post 169 was about morality. Dan's question is about legality. It was a simple yes or no question, why don't you answer it?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #186 October 16, 2015 DanGQuoteAs soon as you tell me when you stopped beating your wife Typical. I'm not asking if you want to torture kittens or fight dogs. I'm asking if you think it should be legal. It is a simple yes or no question. He is just trolling, he won't answer a direct question. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #187 October 16, 2015 jakee***To answer your ridiculous question, refer to post 169 Your post 169 was about morality. Dan's question is about legality. It was a simple yes or no question, why don't you answer it? Nothing about legality And what i think about it is VERY obvious. I think anyone who would torcher any animal is sick. Killing an animal humanly is another topic"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #188 October 16, 2015 SkyDekker *** Quote As soon as you tell me when you stopped beating your wife Typical. I'm not asking if you want to torture kittens or fight dogs. I'm asking if you think it should be legal. It is a simple yes or no question. He is just trolling, he won't answer a direct question. after the question you posed this is hilarious"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,489 #189 October 16, 2015 rushmcNothing about legality Exactly, you've said nothing about legality, which is why you haven't yet answered the question. Which was, in case you've forgotten "So, legally you think people should be allowed to buy a kitten at a pet store and torture it to death?" Simple yes or no question. QuoteAnd what i think about it is VERY obvious. I think anyone who would torcher any animal is sick. Sure, they're sick. But should they be prosecuted?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #190 October 16, 2015 QuoteHe is just trolling, he won't answer a direct question. I don't think he's trolling. I think believes that animals should have no legal protections, and people should be legally allowed to do anything they want to them. I suspect he'll never come out and say that because he realizes how bad it sounds. I also suspect he's worried about the slippery slope, where if he admits that kitten torture should be illegal, Obama's going to make everyone be vegans. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #191 October 16, 2015 DanGQuoteHe is just trolling, he won't answer a direct question. I don't think he's trolling. I think believes that animals should have no legal protections, and people should be legally allowed to do anything they want to them. I suspect he'll never come out and say that because he realizes how bad it sounds. I also suspect he's worried about the slippery slope, where if he admits that kitten torture should be illegal, Obama's going to make everyone be vegans. Let me put it this way It already IS a slippery slope That said No, I do not think sick people who would torture a kitten should be charged I know that is not where we are today We have created laws because most people shudder at the thought of doing anything like this and we have to do something (we think) But I also think society will take care of this if known That said I do not think they should be allowed to own, have or be near any animals either I also think what they do should be done to them (but I know this is not possible) This all said does not mean that animals have rights If they did, we could not euthanize them now could we because they would have a right to life. Correct?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #192 October 16, 2015 rushmc***QuoteHe is just trolling, he won't answer a direct question. I don't think he's trolling. I think believes that animals should have no legal protections, and people should be legally allowed to do anything they want to them. I suspect he'll never come out and say that because he realizes how bad it sounds. I also suspect he's worried about the slippery slope, where if he admits that kitten torture should be illegal, Obama's going to make everyone be vegans. Let me put it this way It already IS a slippery slope That said No, I do not think sick people who would torture a kitten should be charged I know that is not where we are today We have created laws because most people shudder at the thought of doing anything like this and we have to do something (we think) But I also think society will take care of this if known That said I do not think they should be allowed to own, have or be near any animals either I also think what they do should be done to them (but I know this is not possible) This all said does not mean that animals have rights If they did, we could not euthanize them now could we because they would have a right to life. Correct? Holy fuck, logic is not a strong point..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,489 #193 October 16, 2015 Quote But I also think society will take care of this if known How? Quote That said I do not think they should be allowed to own, have or be near any animals either You're proposing a restraining order from animals? How would that work? And what would happen to someone who breached it if you can't prosecute them? Quote This all said does not mean that animals have rights If they did, we could not euthanize them now could we because they would have a right to life. Correct? No, not correct. Again, when people say "animals have rights" they don't mean* "animals have all the same rights as humans". * A very few people do, but they are far from the norm.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #194 October 16, 2015 QuoteNo, I do not think sick people who would torture a kitten should be charged Finally. I'm very glad that the rest of the country ddisagrees with you. Unfortunately, in many places cops, judges, and prosecutors think like you do, and won't bother charging an animal abuser. QuoteWe have created laws because most people shudder at the thought of doing anything like this and we have to do something (we think) But I also think society will take care of this if known Um, yeah. Society takes care of these things by passing laws against it. That's what laws are for. QuoteI also think what they do should be done to them (but I know this is not possible) That's sick. Revenge is not justice. QuoteThis all said does not mean that animals have rights Yeah, it kind of does. QuoteIf they did, we could not euthanize them now could we because they would have a right to life. Correct? Nope. No one has said that animals have the same rights as people. They have the right to be treated humanely. Euthanasia can be the most humane thing. In fact, some states are starting to recognize that people have the right to be relieved from pain just like animals do. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #195 October 16, 2015 Animals do not have rights"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DanG 1 #196 October 16, 2015 The sky is green. - Dan G Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #197 October 16, 2015 Animals do not have rights"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #198 October 16, 2015 DanGThe sky is green. Your down is up"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,489 #199 October 16, 2015 rushmc Animals do not have rights Wow, thanks for that vivid and insightful explanation of your positionSo why shouldn't someone be legally allowed to own animals (or be near them) if they're an animal abuser? What could justify such a huge restriction on a person's rights if the animals don't have any rights to protect? And how would society deal with animal abusers without the law doing it? And seriously, are you just posting drunk all the time, 'cos really this is starting to feel like one of those round in circles, 10 beers deep, forget your train of thought so just restate your initial position more forcefully kinda arguments...Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #200 October 16, 2015 Drunk?? Get some help"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
