turtlespeed 220 #26 August 2, 2015 JerryBaumchenHi skypuppy, QuoteI hope they get charged. My son is an attorney with a corporate law firm in Portland; they have 40-45 lawyers on staff. He is going to ask the managing partners if he can defend some of these people pro bono. He has 6 yrs experience as a prosecutor / criminal defense attorney. There are a number of other lawyers at his firm wanting to also do a pro bono defense; but since they have no courtroom experience, they are asking him if he will brief/assist them if & when they go to court. I did raise him to think for himself. Jerry Baumchen Sorry Jerry, but I hope he loses spectacularly and they either go to jail or are fined into bankruptcy.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #27 August 2, 2015 turtlespeed***Hi skypuppy, QuoteI hope they get charged. My son is an attorney with a corporate law firm in Portland; they have 40-45 lawyers on staff. He is going to ask the managing partners if he can defend some of these people pro bono. He has 6 yrs experience as a prosecutor / criminal defense attorney. There are a number of other lawyers at his firm wanting to also do a pro bono defense; but since they have no courtroom experience, they are asking him if he will brief/assist them if & when they go to court. I did raise him to think for himself. Jerry Baumchen Sorry Jerry, but I hope he loses spectacularly and they either go to jail or are fined into bankruptcy. Sorry Clint.... but I see you are just not a fan of the OTHER parts of the constitution.... funny about how many compassionate conservatives seem to have a severe hypocrisy built into what it is they have that they are calling patriotism. The constitution has a few more components than just the 2nd amendment..... I have always take to heart that oath I once took to support it.... ALL OF IT. I may not agree with the actions of those who protest but I certainly love their right to voice their opposition to corporatism.... I do believe that is our right as Americans. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #28 August 2, 2015 It's an excellent thought. And a great way to get some publicity and some experience for the others. Despite how I personally feel, they do deserve a defense. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #29 August 2, 2015 lawrocket It's an excellent thought. And a great way to get some publicity and some experience for the others. Despite how I personally feel, they do deserve a defense. In for one "right" ... in for them all..... some do seem to forget about that all too frequently. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 220 #30 August 2, 2015 Amazon******Hi skypuppy, QuoteI hope they get charged. My son is an attorney with a corporate law firm in Portland; they have 40-45 lawyers on staff. He is going to ask the managing partners if he can defend some of these people pro bono. He has 6 yrs experience as a prosecutor / criminal defense attorney. There are a number of other lawyers at his firm wanting to also do a pro bono defense; but since they have no courtroom experience, they are asking him if he will brief/assist them if & when they go to court. I did raise him to think for himself. Jerry Baumchen Sorry Jerry, but I hope he loses spectacularly and they either go to jail or are fined into bankruptcy. Sorry Clint.... but I see you are just not a fan of the OTHER parts of the constitution.... funny about how many compassionate conservatives seem to have a severe hypocrisy built into what it is they have that they are calling patriotism. The constitution has a few more components than just the 2nd amendment..... I have always take to heart that oath I once took to support it.... ALL OF IT. I may not agree with the actions of those who protest but I certainly love their right to voice their opposition to corporatism.... I do believe that is our right as Americans. That's funny, you condemn Christy for a partial bridge closing, but applaud this. Your bias is showing. I don't remember anywhere in the constitution where it says we must defend illegal activities. I get the whole "civil disobedience" thing, but that doesn't relenquish them from following the law. If they choose to break the law, they choose to accept the consequences of breaking those laws. I still wonder if they are aware of just how much petroleum that was used for them to accomplish this act of defiance? Or if they had the intelligence to even comprehend the irony.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #31 August 2, 2015 turtlespeed*********Hi skypuppy, QuoteI hope they get charged. My son is an attorney with a corporate law firm in Portland; they have 40-45 lawyers on staff. He is going to ask the managing partners if he can defend some of these people pro bono. He has 6 yrs experience as a prosecutor / criminal defense attorney. There are a number of other lawyers at his firm wanting to also do a pro bono defense; but since they have no courtroom experience, they are asking him if he will brief/assist them if & when they go to court. I did raise him to think for himself. Jerry Baumchen Sorry Jerry, but I hope he loses spectacularly and they either go to jail or are fined into bankruptcy. Sorry Clint.... but I see you are just not a fan of the OTHER parts of the constitution.... funny about how many compassionate conservatives seem to have a severe hypocrisy built into what it is they have that they are calling patriotism. The constitution has a few more components than just the 2nd amendment..... I have always take to heart that oath I once took to support it.... ALL OF IT. I may not agree with the actions of those who protest but I certainly love their right to voice their opposition to corporatism.... I do believe that is our right as Americans. That's funny, you condemn Christy for a partial bridge closing, but applaud this. Your bias is showing. >> your misunderstanding of reality is flawed yet again<< I don't remember anywhere in the constitution where it says we must defend illegal activities. I get the whole "civil disobedience" thing, but that doesn't relenquish them from following the law. If they choose to break the law, they choose to accept the consequences of breaking those laws. I still wonder if they are aware of just how much petroleum that was used for them to accomplish this act of defiance? Or if they had the intelligence to even comprehend the irony. Considering who the people are... I bet they do understand... as do I where plastic comes from... whereas the People of Walmart probably do not understand nor give a shit Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 220 #32 August 2, 2015 Amazon************Hi skypuppy, QuoteI hope they get charged. My son is an attorney with a corporate law firm in Portland; they have 40-45 lawyers on staff. He is going to ask the managing partners if he can defend some of these people pro bono. He has 6 yrs experience as a prosecutor / criminal defense attorney. There are a number of other lawyers at his firm wanting to also do a pro bono defense; but since they have no courtroom experience, they are asking him if he will brief/assist them if & when they go to court. I did raise him to think for himself. Jerry Baumchen Sorry Jerry, but I hope he loses spectacularly and they either go to jail or are fined into bankruptcy. Sorry Clint.... but I see you are just not a fan of the OTHER parts of the constitution.... funny about how many compassionate conservatives seem to have a severe hypocrisy built into what it is they have that they are calling patriotism. The constitution has a few more components than just the 2nd amendment..... I have always take to heart that oath I once took to support it.... ALL OF IT. I may not agree with the actions of those who protest but I certainly love their right to voice their opposition to corporatism.... I do believe that is our right as Americans. That's funny, you condemn Christy for a partial bridge closing, but applaud this. Your bias is showing. >> your misunderstanding of reality is flawed yet again<< I don't remember anywhere in the constitution where it says we must defend illegal activities. I get the whole "civil disobedience" thing, but that doesn't relenquish them from following the law. If they choose to break the law, they choose to accept the consequences of breaking those laws. I still wonder if they are aware of just how much petroleum that was used for them to accomplish this act of defiance? Or if they had the intelligence to even comprehend the irony. Considering who the people are... I bet they do understand... as do I where plastic comes from... whereas the People of Walmart probably do not understand nor give a shit I'll restate the important pieces of my last post . . . The ones you have no defense for . . . QuoteI don't remember anywhere in the constitution where it says we must defend illegal activities. I get the whole "civil disobedience" thing, but that doesn't relenquish them from following the law. If they choose to break the law, they choose to accept the consequences of breaking those laws.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #33 August 3, 2015 turtlespeed*********Hi skypuppy, QuoteI hope they get charged. My son is an attorney with a corporate law firm in Portland; they have 40-45 lawyers on staff. He is going to ask the managing partners if he can defend some of these people pro bono. He has 6 yrs experience as a prosecutor / criminal defense attorney. There are a number of other lawyers at his firm wanting to also do a pro bono defense; but since they have no courtroom experience, they are asking him if he will brief/assist them if & when they go to court. I did raise him to think for himself. Jerry Baumchen Sorry Jerry, but I hope he loses spectacularly and they either go to jail or are fined into bankruptcy. Sorry Clint.... but I see you are just not a fan of the OTHER parts of the constitution.... funny about how many compassionate conservatives seem to have a severe hypocrisy built into what it is they have that they are calling patriotism. The constitution has a few more components than just the 2nd amendment..... I have always take to heart that oath I once took to support it.... ALL OF IT. I may not agree with the actions of those who protest but I certainly love their right to voice their opposition to corporatism.... I do believe that is our right as Americans. That's funny, you condemn Christy for a partial bridge closing, but applaud this. Your bias is showing. I don't remember anywhere in the constitution where it says we must defend illegal activities. I get the whole "civil disobedience" thing, but that doesn't relenquish them from following the law. If they choose to break the law, they choose to accept the consequences of breaking those laws. I still wonder if they are aware of just how much petroleum that was used for them to accomplish this act of defiance? Or if they had the intelligence to even comprehend the irony. Might seem of, but I see a huge difference between what the oil slicks (that's what I call groups of kayakers, considering what their equipment is made out of) did and what Christie did. The difference is that one of them is using state police powers as a government to interfere with commerce just because he and/or his people wanted to be an asshole. The other are private citizens out to interfere with commerce because they want to be assholes. When one brings the force of government I do have a much larger issue with it. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skypuppy 1 #34 August 3, 2015 Amazon******Hi skypuppy, QuoteI hope they get charged. My son is an attorney with a corporate law firm in Portland; they have 40-45 lawyers on staff. He is going to ask the managing partners if he can defend some of these people pro bono. He has 6 yrs experience as a prosecutor / criminal defense attorney. There are a number of other lawyers at his firm wanting to also do a pro bono defense; but since they have no courtroom experience, they are asking him if he will brief/assist them if & when they go to court. I did raise him to think for himself. Jerry Baumchen Sorry Jerry, but I hope he loses spectacularly and they either go to jail or are fined into bankruptcy. Sorry Clint.... but I see you are just not a fan of the OTHER parts of the constitution.... funny about how many compassionate conservatives seem to have a severe hypocrisy built into what it is they have that they are calling patriotism. The constitution has a few more components than just the 2nd amendment..... I have always take to heart that oath I once took to support it.... ALL OF IT. I may not agree with the actions of those who protest but I certainly love their right to voice their opposition to corporatism.... I do believe that is our right as Americans. I get the right to free speech, and the right to association, etc. but they don't have the right to block legal commerce, as far as my reading goes. And I would have them charged individually and as a group for it.If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skypuppy 1 #35 August 3, 2015 JerryBaumchenHi skypuppy, QuoteI hope they get charged. My son is an attorney with a corporate law firm in Portland; they have 40-45 lawyers on staff. He is going to ask the managing partners if he can defend some of these people pro bono. He has 6 yrs experience as a prosecutor / criminal defense attorney. There are a number of other lawyers at his firm wanting to also do a pro bono defense; but since they have no courtroom experience, they are asking him if he will brief/assist them if & when they go to court. I did raise him to think for himself. Jerry Baumchen If I had a corporate law firm, I'd probably consider that corporations depend on the rule of law to do business. So if someone in my law firm wanted to represent law breakers pro bono, I'd probably say no. But that's just me... Not that they shouldn't have a defense. But they should have consequences for their actions, and paying for that defence is part of it.If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #36 August 3, 2015 skypuppy*********Hi skypuppy, QuoteI hope they get charged. My son is an attorney with a corporate law firm in Portland; they have 40-45 lawyers on staff. He is going to ask the managing partners if he can defend some of these people pro bono. He has 6 yrs experience as a prosecutor / criminal defense attorney. There are a number of other lawyers at his firm wanting to also do a pro bono defense; but since they have no courtroom experience, they are asking him if he will brief/assist them if & when they go to court. I did raise him to think for himself. Jerry Baumchen Sorry Jerry, but I hope he loses spectacularly and they either go to jail or are fined into bankruptcy. Sorry Clint.... but I see you are just not a fan of the OTHER parts of the constitution.... funny about how many compassionate conservatives seem to have a severe hypocrisy built into what it is they have that they are calling patriotism. The constitution has a few more components than just the 2nd amendment..... I have always take to heart that oath I once took to support it.... ALL OF IT. I may not agree with the actions of those who protest but I certainly love their right to voice their opposition to corporatism.... I do believe that is our right as Americans. I get the right to free speech, and the right to association, etc. but they don't have the right to block legal commerce, as far as my reading goes. And I would have them charged individually and as a group for it. The have the right to protest. And they have the responsibility to pay for whatever it cost for them to protest. If it's $10k per hour, then so be it. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #37 August 3, 2015 lawrocket************Hi skypuppy, QuoteI hope they get charged. My son is an attorney with a corporate law firm in Portland; they have 40-45 lawyers on staff. He is going to ask the managing partners if he can defend some of these people pro bono. He has 6 yrs experience as a prosecutor / criminal defense attorney. There are a number of other lawyers at his firm wanting to also do a pro bono defense; but since they have no courtroom experience, they are asking him if he will brief/assist them if & when they go to court. I did raise him to think for himself. Jerry Baumchen Sorry Jerry, but I hope he loses spectacularly and they either go to jail or are fined into bankruptcy. Sorry Clint.... but I see you are just not a fan of the OTHER parts of the constitution.... funny about how many compassionate conservatives seem to have a severe hypocrisy built into what it is they have that they are calling patriotism. The constitution has a few more components than just the 2nd amendment..... I have always take to heart that oath I once took to support it.... ALL OF IT. I may not agree with the actions of those who protest but I certainly love their right to voice their opposition to corporatism.... I do believe that is our right as Americans. I get the right to free speech, and the right to association, etc. but they don't have the right to block legal commerce, as far as my reading goes. And I would have them charged individually and as a group for it. The have the right to protest. And they have the responsibility to pay for whatever it cost for them to protest. If it's $10k per hour, then so be it. Yup ....... and have every right to a defense in a court of law with competent representation. But the corporations ( by way of their owners desires ) do have a tendency to pile on to get their way since they paid people to write the laws the way they want them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skypuppy 1 #38 August 3, 2015 Amazon***************Hi skypuppy, QuoteI hope they get charged. My son is an attorney with a corporate law firm in Portland; they have 40-45 lawyers on staff. He is going to ask the managing partners if he can defend some of these people pro bono. He has 6 yrs experience as a prosecutor / criminal defense attorney. There are a number of other lawyers at his firm wanting to also do a pro bono defense; but since they have no courtroom experience, they are asking him if he will brief/assist them if & when they go to court. I did raise him to think for himself. Jerry Baumchen Sorry Jerry, but I hope he loses spectacularly and they either go to jail or are fined into bankruptcy. Sorry Clint.... but I see you are just not a fan of the OTHER parts of the constitution.... funny about how many compassionate conservatives seem to have a severe hypocrisy built into what it is they have that they are calling patriotism. The constitution has a few more components than just the 2nd amendment..... I have always take to heart that oath I once took to support it.... ALL OF IT. I may not agree with the actions of those who protest but I certainly love their right to voice their opposition to corporatism.... I do believe that is our right as Americans. I get the right to free speech, and the right to association, etc. but they don't have the right to block legal commerce, as far as my reading goes. And I would have them charged individually and as a group for it. The have the right to protest. And they have the responsibility to pay for whatever it cost for them to protest. If it's $10k per hour, then so be it. Yup ....... and have every right to a defense in a court of law with competent representation. But the corporations ( by way of their owners desires ) do have a tendency to pile on to get their way since they paid people to write the laws the way they want them. again, no question that they have the right to a defense. That doesn't mean they should get their defense for free. Mind you, that doesn't stop their lawyers, if they go to court and win, from asking for some lawyer's fees from the other side - but they should have to make their case based on the law. And even if they win, if they can't prove entitlement by law, they shouldn't get costs. In my mind, that would mean they would have to prove malicious prosecution or something... Since this isn't a lawsuit, but a prosecution for law-breaking in that they were restricting commerce illegally. If they don't win, they definitely shouldn't be entitled to costs...If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,362 #39 August 4, 2015 Hi sky, QuoteThat doesn't mean they should get their defense for free. That would be taking away my son's rights. If he wants to do it for free, he is, and should be, able to do it for free. Quotefrom asking for some lawyer's fees from the other side If they defend them pro bono, there would not be 'some lawyer's fees.' Jerry Baumchen PS) Not directed at you; but there are a whole bunch of people who post on here who would be VERY uncomfortable living in Portland, OR. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #40 August 4, 2015 JerryBaumchenHi sky, QuoteThat doesn't mean they should get their defense for free. That would be taking away my son's rights. If he wants to do it for free, he is, and should be, able to do it for free. ***from asking for some lawyer's fees from the other side If they defend them pro bono, there would not be 'some lawyer's fees.' Jerry Baumchen PS) Not directed at you; but there are a whole bunch of people who post on here who would be VERY uncomfortable living in Portland, OR.Truer words have never been spoken. in here. They would lose their minds in less than a week with all the damn LIBRULS.... because.....'Murica Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #41 August 4, 2015 JerryBaumchenHi sky, QuoteThat doesn't mean they should get their defense for free. That would be taking away my son's rights. If he wants to do it for free, he is, and should be, able to do it for free. ***from asking for some lawyer's fees from the other side If they defend them pro bono, there would not be 'some lawyer's fees.' Jerry Baumchen PS) Not directed at you; but there are a whole bunch of people who post on here who would be VERY uncomfortable living in Portland, OR. Im chilling in Mendocino right now. Digging it. No neighbors. Woods. Peace. People doing their own thing. Reminds me of Portland. I love it there. Mainly people who mind their own business. Then there are the kayakers... My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,362 #42 August 12, 2015 Hi folks, An update: http://www.kgw.com/story/news/2015/08/12/coast-guard-charges-5--shell-oil-protest--st-johns-bridge/31550187/?csp=nbcnews Jerry Baumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,990 #43 August 12, 2015 >Some of the people hanging off of nylon ropes in nylon tents and slings and >people in their petroleum based kayaks . . . . Reminds me of Tea Partyers with their "stop socialism" and "the answer is lower taxes. Next question?" signs . . . parading on a publicly owned and maintained street. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Anvilbrother 0 #44 August 12, 2015 Perfect Postes r made from an iPad or iPhone. Spelling and gramhair mistakes guaranteed move along, Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #45 August 12, 2015 billvon>Some of the people hanging off of nylon ropes in nylon tents and slings and >people in their petroleum based kayaks . . . . Reminds me of Tea Partyers with their "stop socialism" and "the answer is lower taxes. Next question?" signs . . . parading on a publicly owned and maintained street. While getting their "socialist" government checks while blithering about small gubmint Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #46 August 12, 2015 billvon>Some of the people hanging off of nylon ropes in nylon tents and slings and >people in their petroleum based kayaks . . . . Reminds me of Tea Partyers with their "stop socialism" and "the answer is lower taxes. Next question?" signs . . . parading on a publicly owned and maintained street. Exactly. People want what they've got but don't want anyone else to get it. For the tea partiers, they have no problem with socialism so long as it all goes to them and nobody else. For the watermelons, they want oil for their uses but others don't get it for theirs. It's sanctimoniousness. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skypuppy 1 #47 August 13, 2015 JerryBaumchenHi folks, An update: http://www.kgw.com/story/news/2015/08/12/coast-guard-charges-5--shell-oil-protest--st-johns-bridge/31550187/?csp=nbcnews Jerry Baumchen I don't know if the fines are high enough. Or could they be sued civilly if found guilty?If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead. Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,362 #48 August 13, 2015 Hi sky, QuoteOr could they be sued civilly if found guilty? The owners of the Finneca could possibly file for damages; i. e., the money that they lost due to the stoppage/protest. Guilty or Not Guilty does not enter into the equation. Jerry Baumchen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #49 August 13, 2015 Hi Jerry. Your son is doing a noble thing, in the finest tradition of the citizen lawyer. All the naysayers can eat my shorts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 220 #50 August 13, 2015 Andy9o8Hi Jerry. Your son is doing a noble thing, in the finest tradition of the citizen lawyer. All the naysayers can eat my shorts. Hi Bart, I agree whole heartedly with the gesture, the effort, and the heart behind the action. I just hope he loses, and in a very overwhelming way. I also hope the loss doesn't hurt his career. The work, though, is his choice. I also hope the cases help people become more aware of how much the "environmentalists" doing the protesting were the hypocrites. I look at it like y'all look at Ron, here. He happily receives his social security check while complaining that the government is giving handouts. It hypocritical like an action movie actor being anti gun.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
