More mass shootings

[wmw999 2,447]

You were giving "Sons of Anarchy" as an example. Since I don't watch much TV (including news; I like radio and papers better), I may not be right in thinking it's fiction.

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[Bob_Church 7]

billvon

>Seriously? Are you proposing stopping and frisking everyone who is outside their residence?

As many people as possible in public.

>If that is what you are putting on the table it is an impossible task.

So you are all for stop-and-frisk the blacks, but to expand beyond that would be impossible.

About what I expected.

There would be exceptions. Anyone who can somehow prove that they've never said "can't they do ANYTHING to stop the gun violence would be issued a pass."
But seriously, how difficult would it be to develop a wand that could detect a firearm that someone has concealed under their clothes? Between the metal (I know, but most of them) and the traces of gun powder, even gun oil, would it be practical to make such a device? Something that takes the frisk out of stop and frisk unless the wand returns a positive on you, preferably with very few false positives.

[normiss 800]

Sure I would.
I don't adjust my clothing in fear of what might happen if I were to dress "incorrectly".
I have in the past without issues - most convenient exit for gas on my home for years.
I've also had zero issues in any inner city neighborhoods throughout my life so far.

[normiss 800]

Entirely fiction, with a number of inaccuracies throughout the series.
Mostly social behavior errors, but a number of technical ones as well.
They really had some major mistakes regarding 1% club behavior.
"Or so I'm told"

[normiss 800]

Maryland seems to have some good gun legislation in place that has so far withstood court reviews.
Maybe we can start there?

[DJL 235]

RonD1120

***I have a few hoodies, they work very well for cooler weather.
Rather normal outerwear in the northeast as well.

Speaking of getting smarter.....

As do I. Would you wear yours on Orange Blossom Trail in Orlando late at night? I wouldn't, it would be stupid.

I've lived in many parts of the US and a hoodie has never been more than something to wear when it's a little cooler out by people from all walks of life.

I'm at a loss of words to think that you feel any article of clothing justifies being searched by the police, that's...mind blowing.

"I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

[RonD1120 62]

Did you learn how to spot the thugs in the inner city?

Do you have a dress code at work? I'll bet you do even it is business casual. The reason is that styles of dress convey a message, mostly relating to the character of the individual or quality of work.

Wendy asked me if I objected to a woman dressing like a hussy. Of course not but I wouldn't hire her unless I owned a bar.

How you dress is important, like it or not.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[RonD1120 62]

DJL

******I have a few hoodies, they work very well for cooler weather.
Rather normal outerwear in the northeast as well.

Speaking of getting smarter.....

As do I. Would you wear yours on Orange Blossom Trail in Orlando late at night? I wouldn't, it would be stupid.

I've lived in many parts of the US and a hoodie has never been something more than something to wear when it's a little cooler out by people from all walks of life.

I'm at a loss of words to think that you feel any article of clothing justifies being searched by the police, that's...mind blowing.

As I said, profiling is not just dress. It is also how you act.

You realize all this discussion started with me saying stop and frisk would not bother me. Look how far you lefties get off the track.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[RonD1120 62]

Gotta run, we have some home ministry to attend to. I am going to wear my U.S. Secret Service jacket. It is getting cool in the mountains.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[normiss 800]

I did Ron, they look like humans.
Like ALL humans for that matter.

There is no dress code for public wear.

Unlike you, some of us do our best to not pre-judge people.
Like a broad brush of lefties for example.
Most of us are pretty much right down the middle.
You're still way off base as usual.

[billvon 2,991]

>Did you learn how to spot the thugs in the inner city?

By how they act. Not by what they look like.

>Do you have a dress code at work?

We have people wearing suits and people wearing board shorts and sandals. If you decided that those choices "sent a message" about those people, you wouldn't last long here. (But then again, we invent stuff here; we're results, not image, driven.)

[normiss 800]

It's still awkward for me to see coworkers in the board shorts and flip flops.
I barely adapted to wearing jeans instead of slacks for the engineering staff!

[Stumpy 284]

billvon

>Did you learn how to spot the thugs in the inner city?

By how they act. Not by what they look like.

>Do you have a dress code at work?

We have people wearing suits and people wearing board shorts and sandals. If you decided that those choices "sent a message" about those people, you wouldn't last long here. (But then again, we invent stuff here; we're results, not image, driven.)

i recently spent quite a lot of time at Google offices. Its amazing I survived with all the hoody wearing thugs there.

Never try to eat more than you can lift

[gowlerk 2,191]

This guy. A real thug.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[billvon 2,991]

>i recently spent quite a lot of time at Google offices. Its amazing I survived with all
>the hoody wearing thugs there.

Heck, that's nothing. At a Chicago Nationals one year they gave everyone hoodies - AND it was sort of cold out at night. After 4-way ended it was like some kind of bizarre hoody thug party. I barely escaped with my life, especially after I ran into Eliana Rodriguez wearing a hoodie AND sweatpants in a dark hallway.

[Blacksmith311 0]

You guys make fun, and none of you who are social justice warriors will admit it, but you can actually pretty accurately judge someone based on things like their appearance, location, actions, and history of the location and crime. For instance stopping cyclists out after midnight on bicycles wearing dark clothing(hoodies with long sleeves in the 90 degree summer) carrying a backpack when you have been having a rash of thefts usually leads to results.

Its not racism or whatever you like to call it, if historically it is accurate despite your lefts attempt to cause white guilt on the american public.

I am not saying pull down on anyone or violate anyone's rights, but increased attention and proper use of policy on the above is just doing their jobs.

[wolfriverjoe 1,523]

RonD1120

billvon, you have to profile the suspects and then find the perp.

In my case the scenario would go something like this:

LEO: Sir, stop and keep your hands where I can see them.
Me: Yes sir.
LEO: Are you carrying a weapon?
Me: Yes sir, I have a CC permit.
LEO: Where is it?
Me: I would ID the weapon and its location.
LEO: Let me see your ID and permit.
Me: Yes sir. Then I would comply.
LEO: Examining my credentials, he would hand them back and say, have a nice day Mr. Schott.

Wow. If nothing else, this description of a "stop and frisk" defines "white privilege."

Being called "sir", being treated respectfully, not getting 'proned out' (or shot) after telling the cop you are armed, all that.

And the above is simply fantasy. The idea that the cop wouldn't take the weapon (at least during the interaction, in California they tend to keep it), the idea that the cop wouldn't run the id, carry permit, serial number of the gun, fully search the subject, all of that is completely unreal.

"There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy

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[billvon 2,991]

> but you can actually pretty accurately judge someone based on things like their
> appearance, location, actions, and history of the location and crime.

You just hit the nail on the head. Their actions - and their history - define whether they are thugs or not. (And yes, if they are in the area of a crime, the odds of them participating in that crime go up too.)

NOT what they wear, their skin color or whether or not they look like Ron.

[normiss 800]

Not in FL it's not.

I've simply been asked to not reach for it while the cop returns to his car.
I'm pretty sure the CWP comes back on the ID check anyway - not that it's required for carrying a weapon your car though.

[Blacksmith311 0]

Right but didn't the US courts already agree that reasonable suspicion for a police contact based on a person being in a criminal area and for the lack of other words "looking the part" was legal? And that allows police to make a legal contact with someone, and in doing so can do a brief search for obvious weapons? If I'm not wrong on that then isn't profiling basically legal as long as it can be explained in court as to why x,y,z lined up?

[RonD1120 62]

wolfriverjoe

***billvon, you have to profile the suspects and then find the perp.

In my case the scenario would go something like this:

LEO: Sir, stop and keep your hands where I can see them.
Me: Yes sir.
LEO: Are you carrying a weapon?
Me: Yes sir, I have a CC permit.
LEO: Where is it?
Me: I would ID the weapon and its location.
LEO: Let me see your ID and permit.
Me: Yes sir. Then I would comply.
LEO: Examining my credentials, he would hand them back and say, have a nice day Mr. Schott.

Wow. If nothing else, this description of a "stop and frisk" defines "white privilege."

Being called "sir", being treated respectfully, not getting 'proned out' (or shot) after telling the cop you are armed, all that.

And the above is simply fantasy. The idea that the cop wouldn't take the weapon (at least during the interaction, in California they tend to keep it), the idea that the cop wouldn't run the id, carry permit, serial number of the gun, fully search the subject, all of that is completely unreal.

It is real here in the north GA mountains.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[RonD1120 62]

billvon

>Did you learn how to spot the thugs in the inner city?

By how they act. Not by what they look like.

>Do you have a dress code at work?

We have people wearing suits and people wearing board shorts and sandals. If you decided that those choices "sent a message" about those people, you wouldn't last long here. (But then again, we invent stuff here; we're results, not image, driven.)

Remember billvon you brought up wearing hoodies. It was your fantasy of a thug. I was in favor of stop and frisk. You added hoodie because it automatically conjures a stereotype. Your argument is against the stereotype without taking into account how that stereotype was formed.

And, when you work the streets as I did you become image driven for survival.

You just work in a laid back safe environment. You are blessed, not everyone is so lucky.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[kallend 2,027]

Clearly a thug.

Even worse - shades too.

He even has more than one.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[yoink 321]

RonD1120

Remember billvon you brought up wearing hoodies. It was your fantasy of a thug. I was in favor of stop and frisk. You added hoodie because it automatically conjures a stereotype.

Actually, I brought up the hoodie and I can't help but notice you very successfully used it to dodge the two actual questions I asked you... honestly, it was a clever piece of misdirection.

But let's go back to the original post - you posited a scenario where you, personally, were stopped while legally carrying a concealed weapon, were questioned politely by the officer and then simply let on your way.

I had two questions... if you were frisked AFTER answering as you did, would you be OK with it happening? And second, do you think the same situation (question and release) would / should happen if you were black and wearing a hoodie - (all other things being equal in your scenario).

You see, I think you didn't answer because you know the answer to both is 'no'.

[Stumpy 284]

Pertinent. Waiting periods really do reduce shootings.

http://m.pnas.org/content/early/2017/10/11/1619896114

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