More mass shootings

[winsor 236]

billvon

>I am no more comfortable with someone coming at me with a machete than a Mauser

I don't know about you, but if someone is 300 yards away in a high rise hotel, and I am on the ground (say at a concert) I am WAY more comfortable with a homicidal guy with a machete than with a Mauser.

Good point.

I suppose I would prefer someone with a rapid fire poodle shooter in a hotel than, say, a millionaire with a pilot's license flying one of his airplanes laden with extra fuel into said concert. That or applying a little knowledge of chemistry that he luckily did not appear to have.

Given the tally effected by malevolent assholes using aircraft compared to firearms, he picked the route that would do less damage but get more attention. Denying him access to firearms could well have increased the carnage.

Don't get me wrong, I'd rather he choked on a chicken bone before he got to that point. Nevertheless, it is the miscreant more than the means chosen to be evil that should be the focus.

[normiss 801]

Except that we allow nutters access to and ownership of military grade weapons.
I cannot support any reasoning for that.
Semi auto hand guns are more than enough already.
That and a pump shotgun are plenty to defend home and a family.

[Phil1111 1,149]

winsor

***>I am no more comfortable with someone coming at me with a machete than a Mauser

I don't know about you, but if someone is 300 yards away in a high rise hotel, and I am on the ground (say at a concert) I am WAY more comfortable with a homicidal guy with a machete than with a Mauser.

Good point.

I suppose I would prefer someone with a rapid fire poodle shooter in a hotel than, say, a millionaire with a pilot's license flying one of his airplanes laden with extra fuel into said concert. That or applying a little knowledge of chemistry that he luckily did not appear to have.

Given the tally effected by malevolent assholes using aircraft compared to firearms, he picked the route that would do less damage but get more attention. Denying him access to firearms could well have increased the carnage.

Don't get me wrong, I'd rather he choked on a chicken bone before he got to that point. Nevertheless, it is the miscreant more than the means chosen to be evil that should be the focus.

I agree. Thankfully the MO of Tim McVeigh has not been repeated. There were reports to the effect that there was 10-20 lbs of tannerite in the Vegas shooters car on the Vegas strip. This shooter clearly had the financial wherewithal to put together a large weapon that he could have parked next to the crowd. tannerite is a version of what McVeigh used and has about the same detonation velocity.

[billvon 2,991]

>I suppose I would prefer someone with a rapid fire poodle shooter in a hotel than, say, a
>millionaire with a pilot's license flying one of his airplanes laden with extra fuel into said
>concert.

That's true. Given that, it might make sense to require licensing for pilots, including medical exams which would could detect any overtly suicidal tendencies or medical conditions leading to such a tendency. It might also make sense to require registration and tracking of aircraft, along with restricting access to a flight line so that unauthorized people could not gain access to aircraft. Might even make sense to require transponders in controlled airspaces so that air traffic control could determine when an aircraft deviated from its flight plan (and/or determine that a new skin return that did NOT have a transponder on might be a threat.) You might create a government agency tasked with investigating such incidents with an eye towards preventing them in the future.

By Jove, you might be on to something here . . . .

>Denying him access to firearms could well have increased the carnage.

Literally true. Similarly, passing a law against drunk driving might convince potential drunk drivers to steal light aircraft to get home rather than drive, leading to far more deaths. However, on the balance, drunk driving laws seem to work.

[winsor 236]

billvon

>I suppose I would prefer someone with a rapid fire poodle shooter in a hotel than, say, a
>millionaire with a pilot's license flying one of his airplanes laden with extra fuel into said
>concert.

That's true. Given that, it might make sense to require licensing for pilots, including medical exams which would could detect any overtly suicidal tendencies or medical conditions leading to such a tendency. It might also make sense to require registration and tracking of aircraft, along with restricting access to a flight line so that unauthorized people could not gain access to aircraft. Might even make sense to require transponders in controlled airspaces so that air traffic control could determine when an aircraft deviated from its flight plan (and/or determine that a new skin return that did NOT have a transponder on might be a threat.) You might create a government agency tasked with investigating such incidents with an eye towards preventing them in the future.

By Jove, you might be on to something here . . . .

You realize, of course, that the individual in question, a licensed pilot and aircraft owner, had all the requisites to fly his plane from KLAS to the concert venue before anyone could do anything about it.

Thus, all the layers of bureaucracy and regulation to which you refer were definitively moot.

[billvon 2,991]

Yes, no system is going to be 100% effective. Still, the system we do have in effect has managed to keep the incidence of airplane-centric mass murder to insignificant numbers compared to gun deaths, so something works there.

[yoink 321]

billvon

Yes, no system is going to be 100% effective.

Even though it's probably good for 95% of cases It might not work in every possible conceivable scenario. Fuck it. We'll do nothing. That'll probably help, right?


That's a perfectly sane response...

[mr2mk1g 10]

winsor

***>I suppose I would prefer someone with a rapid fire poodle shooter in a hotel than, say, a
>millionaire with a pilot's license flying one of his airplanes laden with extra fuel into said
>concert.

That's true. Given that, it might make sense to require licensing for pilots, including medical exams which would could detect any overtly suicidal tendencies or medical conditions leading to such a tendency. It might also make sense to require registration and tracking of aircraft, along with restricting access to a flight line so that unauthorized people could not gain access to aircraft. Might even make sense to require transponders in controlled airspaces so that air traffic control could determine when an aircraft deviated from its flight plan (and/or determine that a new skin return that did NOT have a transponder on might be a threat.) You might create a government agency tasked with investigating such incidents with an eye towards preventing them in the future.

By Jove, you might be on to something here . . . .

You realize, of course, that the individual in question, a licensed pilot and aircraft owner, had all the requisites to fly his plane from KLAS to the concert venue before anyone could do anything about it.

Thus, all the layers of bureaucracy and regulation to which you refer were definitively moot.

All I see is yet more evidence that what motivates these people is not simple a desire to kill as many people as possible but to shoot as many peop me as possible. Time and again it appears it's the killing with firearms that gives them their hard on.

[RonD1120 62]

Although my experience is limited to the psychiatric field, I know of no medical exam that would detect overt suicidal/homicidal ideation.

Psychiatric assessment relies on the individual's willingness to divulge his suicidal/homicidal ideation.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[Phil1111 1,149]

RonD1120

Although my experience is limited to the psychiatric field, I know of no medical exam that would detect overt suicidal/homicidal ideation.

Psychiatric assessment relies on the individual's willingness to divulge his suicidal/homicidal ideation.

OH!..great...
Psychologists march through NY to call for Trump's removal
http://thehill.com/homenews/news/355490-psychologists-march-through-ny-to-call-for-trumps-removal

"Trump’s underlying fear that he is worthless and weak by how intensely he resists and retaliated against any criticism,”

and "He has no empathy."

As you are undoubtedly aware those are the same psychological characteristics of many mass murders.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

RonD1120

***>What do we do and what do we say that has captured your attention?

Who is "we?"

Quote from Skydekker: "christians who live in the mountains"

Determined by him: " are criminals who like to rape women and beat their children"

I am a Christian, live in the north GA mountains, surrounded by immigrant Christians, mostly from FL, and well to do locals.

That isn't what I determined, that is what I gave as an example.

[RonD1120 62]

Phil1111

***Although my experience is limited to the psychiatric field, I know of no medical exam that would detect overt suicidal/homicidal ideation.

Psychiatric assessment relies on the individual's willingness to divulge his suicidal/homicidal ideation.

OH!..great...
Psychologists march through NY to call for Trump's removal
http://thehill.com/homenews/news/355490-psychologists-march-through-ny-to-call-for-trumps-removal

"Trump’s underlying fear that he is worthless and weak by how intensely he resists and retaliated against any criticism,”

and "He has no empathy."

As you are undoubtedly aware those are the same psychological characteristics of many mass murders.

In this country such individuals cannot be treated before they commit violence unless they voluntarily seek treatment. You can't lock someone up just because they appear to be sociopathic, psychopathic or empathic lack empathy.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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Although my experience is limited to the psychiatric field,

Oh, are you psychiatrist? When did you get that degree? Last time you were a counsellor.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

RonD1120

******Although my experience is limited to the psychiatric field, I know of no medical exam that would detect overt suicidal/homicidal ideation.

Psychiatric assessment relies on the individual's willingness to divulge his suicidal/homicidal ideation.

OH!..great...
Psychologists march through NY to call for Trump's removal
http://thehill.com/homenews/news/355490-psychologists-march-through-ny-to-call-for-trumps-removal

"Trump’s underlying fear that he is worthless and weak by how intensely he resists and retaliated against any criticism,”

and "He has no empathy."

As you are undoubtedly aware those are the same psychological characteristics of many mass murders.

In this country such individuals cannot be treated before they commit violence unless they voluntarily seek treatment. You can't lock someone up just because they appear to be sociopathic, psychopathic or empathic.

You can if they are brown. You even get a presidential pardon if the courts happen to disagree.

[Phil1111 1,149]

SkyDekker

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Although my experience is limited to the psychiatric field,

Oh, are you psychiatrist? When did you get that degree? Last time you were a counsellor.

A councilor is in the psychiatric field.

[RonD1120 62]

SkyDekker

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Although my experience is limited to the psychiatric field,

Oh, are you psychiatrist? When did you get that degree? Last time you were a counsellor.

I used to do psychiatric assessments for a psych hospital and provide a provisional diagnosis. My master's qualified me for that position.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[normiss 801]

Last I saw, police can and do still Baker Act people.

[RonD1120 62]

That is true. However, they must witness behavior that indicates the individual is a threat to themselves or someone else. They cannot simply assume aberrant behavior.

The Baker Act is a FL law. Other states have similar laws but I do not think the statute is universal.

ETA: It has been my experience that LEOs are reluctant to enforce the Baker Act because of the lengthy paper work. Things may have changed by now.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[yoink 321]

Here's today's report of an attack in Germany... A country that that doesn't allow everyone to own an arsenal.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-41705587

"Man arrested after knife attack in Munich... 4 lightly injured"

[normiss 801]

I'd happily take surgery and stitches over cremation, any day.

[yoink 321]

Much easier to outrun a knife than a bullet too...

[DJL 235]

RonD1120

***

Quote

Although my experience is limited to the psychiatric field,

Oh, are you psychiatrist? When did you get that degree? Last time you were a counsellor.

I used to do psychiatric assessments for a psych hospital and provide a provisional diagnosis. My master's qualified me for that position.

Your words from the Weinstein thread: "Only in the world of the "touchy/feely" liberals. I was taught that "sticks and stones can break my bones but words can never hurt me."

That goes along with being personally responsible. Nowadays most are looking for someone or something to blame. That is social weakness IMO."

Did you diagnose people as being Liberals?

"I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

[RonD1120 62]

No, profiled them.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[rushmc 23]

normiss

Except that we allow nutters access to and ownership of military grade weapons.
I cannot support any reasoning for that.
Semi auto hand guns are more than enough already.
That and a pump shotgun are plenty to defend home and a family.

Your post is a perfect example of a liberal who wants to push his views on everyone else because?

Because he thinks himself to be so correct he can't understand how anyone could possibly disagree with him.


And you sensationalizing your post by using the terms "military grade weapons" is laughable at best.

But hey! You do make me laugh! Often!

In any event. Thank you for the perfect example of liberal hubris.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kallend 2,027]

Good case for background checks on all gun sales:

www.latimes.com/science/sciencenow/la-sci-sn-gun-show-deaths-20171023-story.html

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