More mass shootings

[RonD1120 62]

Now that's funny! I don't care who you are. ~Larry the Cable Guy

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[DJL 235]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cN3rzi7dZVQ

"I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

[kallend 2,027]

5 dead in a northern California shooting.

Business as usual in the US of A.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[gowlerk 2,194]

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/11/14/564117257/at-least-3-reported-dead-after-shooting-at-school-other-locations-in-california


Another one. Christian, Muslim, Jew, or Atheist? We don't know yet. Don't know if the weapons were legal or not. Who is keeping score anyway? But who cares? Not I said the NRA spokesman! It's too soon to talk about guns.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[billvon 2,991]

>Another one. Christian, Muslim, Jew, or Atheist? We don't know yet.

But it's fairly important, so that Trump will know how to respond.

non-Muslim - "Nothing can be done. Thoughts and prayers. Too soon to discuss it. Too bad more people didn't have guns. Don't politicize! These things happen." (after a long delay, days to weeks)

Muslim - "America must WAKE UP and take action to save ourselves and our families! TRAVEL BAN NOW!" (sent out within minutes.)

[normiss 801]

Nobody cares.

Buy moar guns! The left is trying to take them away from us!
BUT MY RIGHTS!!!
Fuck those dead people.

[kallend 2,027]

billvon

"Nothing can be done. Thoughts and prayers. Too soon to discuss it.

This is the 390th mass shooting in the USA this year, on day 318.

If it's necessary to wait a week after each one before discussing the issues then the issues will never be discussed.

Clever clever clever.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[kallend 2,027]

normiss

Nobody cares.

So it seems.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[kallend 2,027]

gowlerk

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/11/14/564117257/at-least-3-reported-dead-after-shooting-at-school-other-locations-in-california


Another one. Christian, Muslim, Jew, or Atheist? We don't know yet. Don't know if the weapons were legal or not. Who is keeping score anyway? But who cares? Not I said the NRA spokesman! It's too soon to talk about guns.

"A signed court order following Neal’s arrest in January for attacking his neighbor shows he was ordered on April 1 to surrender all firearms.

Johnston said deputies were familiar with the gunman.

“We have a history with him,” Johnston said. “He was out on bail for assault with a deadly weapon that occurred in January. He was not law enforcement friendly.”

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

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MORE GUNS FOR EVERYONE!!

[rushmc 23]

kallend

5 dead in a northern California shooting.

Business as usual in the US of A.

And the Very laws that you propose and push would have made no difference yet again

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[DJL 235]

rushmc

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5 dead in a northern California shooting.

Business as usual in the US of A.

And the Very laws that you propose and push would have made no difference yet again

Wait a minute, I thought the last guy (Texas) wouldn't have been able to shoot anyone if the laws were enforced. What's the deal?

"I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

[jakee 1,490]

DJL

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5 dead in a northern California shooting.

Business as usual in the US of A.

And the Very laws that you propose and push would have made no difference yet again

Wait a minute, I thought the last guy (Texas) wouldn't have been able to shoot anyone if the laws were enforced. What's the deal?
To be fair, ‘if the laws were enforced’ is a different proposition to ‘if there were different laws’. Unless it was a law to make sure the law was followed

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

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This is part of the problem - human beings being what they are there's always a chance of error when humans are in the system of enforcement. Someone will make a mistake somewhere and things like this can happen as a result.

Remove the extremely time-consuming (and difficult) enforcement part of the system and replace it with something automatic and simple and you'd see mistakes like this disappear.

[kallend 2,027]

jakee

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5 dead in a northern California shooting.

Business as usual in the US of A.

And the Very laws that you propose and push would have made no difference yet again

Wait a minute, I thought the last guy (Texas) wouldn't have been able to shoot anyone if the laws were enforced. What's the deal?
To be fair, ‘if the laws were enforced’ is a different proposition to ‘if there were different laws’. Unless it was a law to make sure the law was followed

Like this?

www.latimes.com/politics/washington/la-na-pol-essential-washington-updates-gop-democratic-senators-back-bill-to-1510847400-htmlstory.html

We also have laws prohibiting felons from owning guns, but no (federal) laws imposing checks on all gun sales.

In fact we have a LOT of loopholes that have been deliberately engineered into the so-called "system" at the behest of the gun lobby.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[tkhayes 348]

^^^ Bingo. we build shitty laws deliberately and then go "See? It didn't work!"

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tkhayes

^^^ Bingo. we build shitty laws deliberately and then go "See? It didn't work!"

My brother is a felon who did two years for a gun related crime. He has an arsenal. Most people who aren't into guns have no idea how those who do like guns think, and of course the sheer number of guns. This obviously isn't anything like automobiles, in fact I can't think of anything it is like. But it's going to take some new and realistic thinking to do anything about gun violence. I confess that I have no idea what would work, but it seems obvious to me why the current laws don't. They just aren't realistic. Gun foes don't understand the reality of guns or how gun proponents think. And just to be clear, I don't mean that to be a criticism of gun owners, just what I think the reality of the situation is.

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Bob_Church

[ But it's going to take some new and realistic thinking to do anything about gun violence.

I have come to the conclusion that nothing that remotely limits the access or use of firearms will ever be acceptable to the gun rights side - nothing. It will have to be forced on them.

I posted a while ago that the NRA is a great example of this. They're great at seemingly giving up concessions on limitations that are either unenforceable or make little to no difference in the overall scheme of gun violence while simultaneously getting huge political returns.

I completely agree with your statement that I have no clue how people who like guns think. I posted a solution that would stop public mass murders entirely, while allowing people to own whatever type of and number of guns they wanted, while also being allowed the ability to use them for hunting, home defense or target shooting. The only limitation is that you wouldn't be able to use them in an unvetted public space...

That was the ONLY limitation. You wouldn't be able to fire your gun in a mall, or school - it just wouldn't work. That would stop events like these almost completely.

One of the only 2 responses I got - 'I wouldn't agree to anything that stops me from being able to shoot whenever and wherever I want'. Think about that...
That shows me that there is no real limitation that can ever be acceptable - if people want the ability to shoot whenever and wherever they want (even if it's insane to have that right) then there is no chance of a real compromise solution.

[Bob_Church 7]

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***[ But it's going to take some new and realistic thinking to do anything about gun violence.

I have come to the conclusion that nothing that remotely limits the access or use of firearms will ever be acceptable to the gun rights side - nothing. It will have to be forced on them.

I posted a while ago that the NRA is a great example of this. They're great at seemingly giving up concessions on limitations that are either unenforceable or make little to no difference in the overall scheme of gun violence while simultaneously getting huge political returns.

I completely agree with your statement that I have no clue how people who like guns think. I posted a solution that would stop public mass murders entirely, while allowing people to own whatever type of and number of guns they wanted, while also being allowed the ability to use them for hunting, home defense or target shooting. The only limitation is that you wouldn't be able to use them in an unvetted public space...

That was the ONLY limitation. You wouldn't be able to fire your gun in a mall, or school - it just wouldn't work. That would stop events like these almost completely.

One of the only 2 responses I got - 'I wouldn't agree to anything that stops me from being able to shoot whenever and wherever I want'. Think about that...
That shows me that there is no real limitation that can ever be acceptable - if people want the ability to shoot whenever and wherever they want (even if it's insane to have that right) then there is no chance of a real compromise solution.

I agree with you, except that I think it's even worse. Pretend for a moment that the Second Amendment doesn't exist and for that matter neither does the NRA. You still have over 300 million guns, many of them in the hands of people who will fight to keep them. Remember, "cold dead fingers." Unlike a car in the garage there are guns in the dresser drawer under the sweaters, guns on shelves in the closet and in the glove box. Cars are difficult to hide and more importantly very few if any people have a deeply seated aversion to registering their car. What can you do about guns, even with the (for arguments sake) ability to pass any law you want? I can assure you that if you tried to just take guns you'd have a war on your hands.

[tkhayes 348]

I disagree that we can’t do something about 300 million guns. It will take time. Probably a generation. But it can be done. Buyback programs, crushing guns that are used in crimes, and along with sensible purchasing laws, we can curtail the future sales someone

In 1959 at the moon was just a dream. 10 years later we walked on it

[Bob_Church 7]

tkhayes

I disagree that we can’t do something about 300 million guns

I would disagree with that statement too. But as I've said, I believe it's going to take some new thinking.

[Bob_Church 7]

"posted a while ago that the NRA is a great example of this. They're great at seemingly giving up concessions on limitations that are either unenforceable or make little to no difference in the overall scheme of gun violence while simultaneously getting huge political returns. "

But for real power, think of this. The companies churning out guns as though they were cell phones and selling them while most of us no little or nothing about them. I suspect that the NRA is really working for them.

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tkhayes

I disagree that we can’t do something about 300 million guns. It will take time. Probably a generation. t

Longer, I think. Which is part of the problem - we're not very good as a society at really thinking long term.

[DJL 235]

It'll be 100 years before Americans lose their erections over firearms. Slowly we'll see more restriction and by about 2200 we'll be in the same boat as the rest of the world.

I hold no illusion that I'll live out my life with a difference in the quantity of gun related murders and mass shootings.

"I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

[billvon 2,991]

>The companies churning out guns as though they were cell phones and selling
>them while most of us no little or nothing about them. I suspect that the NRA is
>really working for them.

And vice versa. One company donated $1 for every gun sold to the NRA for a while, and gun companies as a whole contribute tens of millions to the NRA. They know that gun sales go up when people are made fearful of new regulations - and thus the NRA has become one of the most effective promulgators of fear in the media today.