Phil1111 1,149 #2101 March 13, 2018 rifleman******There are cases of people using AR15's for self defense, that doesn't speak to how that's a preferable weapon to a hand gun. My friends who are hard core 2A all say they would never go for the AR over a handgun in a home defense situation. OR...............http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/midwest/ct-woman-stops-intruder-with-medieval-combat-skills-sword-20151010-story.html In the highly unlikely event that I ever feel the need of a firearm for home defense, it will be a 12 gauge shotgun. Couldn't agree more. You don't have to aim particularly accurately, there's less chance of ammunition overpenetrating and, in the case of a pump action, just the sound of racking the slide attracts people's undivided attention. Everyone is forgetting the real reason to use a shotgun for home defense. It precludes surgeons success in sewing up the chest cavity. I precludes the intruder testifying that he had surrendered, was merely asking for directions, etc. when he was shot. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 235 #2102 March 13, 2018 JerryBaumchen Hi rifleman, Quote just the sound of racking the slide attracts people's undivided attention. My son is a criminal defense attorney. He & I were talking about home protection weapons a year or so ago. He said that every criminal there is, stops dead in their tracks when they hear that noise. And they have no doubt as to what it is. Jerry Baumchen That sound means a gunshot wound that looks something like shredded hamburger. It let's you know that there's a big round in the chamber waiting for you if you go any farther."I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bob_Church 7 #2103 March 13, 2018 JerryBaumchen Hi rifleman, Quote just the sound of racking the slide attracts people's undivided attention. My son is a criminal defense attorney. He & I were talking about home protection weapons a year or so ago. He said that every criminal there is, stops dead in their tracks when they hear that noise. And they have no doubt as to what it is. Jerry Baumchen That Klu Klux sound. It's downright famous. In Ohio prisons, I'm told, the hostage type personnel use 12 gauge shotguns. One really big advantage is that you can do incredible damage to the person you're trying to hurt without punching through the wall and killing someone else. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #2104 March 14, 2018 Arming teachers is clearly a great idea! http://www.ksbw.com/article/seaside-high-teacher-accidentally-fires-gun-in-class/19426017 Teacher and a cop....lol Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #2105 March 14, 2018 SkyDekkerArming teachers is clearly a great idea! http://www.ksbw.com/article/seaside-high-teacher-accidentally-fires-gun-in-class/19426017 Teacher and a cop....lol Should have let the 1st grade teacher handle it. Or the lunch lady. Outcome would have been much better.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 1,149 #2106 March 14, 2018 SkyDekkerArming teachers is clearly a great idea! http://www.ksbw.com/article/seaside-high-teacher-accidentally-fires-gun-in-class/19426017 Teacher and a cop....lol It is stunning that a live round would ever be chambered in a class on gun safety. Inert plastic rounds are used and available for such instruction. Third grader shoots cops gun at school: http://www.policemag.com/channel/patrol/news/2018/02/06/minnesota-3rd-grader-fires-officer-s-holstered-gun-at-school.aspx Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 235 #2107 March 14, 2018 Phil1111***Arming teachers is clearly a great idea! http://www.ksbw.com/article/seaside-high-teacher-accidentally-fires-gun-in-class/19426017 Teacher and a cop....lol It is stunning that a live round would ever be chambered in a class on gun safety. Inert plastic rounds are used and available for such instruction. Third grader shoots cops gun at school: http://www.policemag.com/channel/patrol/news/2018/02/06/minnesota-3rd-grader-fires-officer-s-holstered-gun-at-school.aspx Idiot."I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #2108 March 14, 2018 Phil1111***Arming teachers is clearly a great idea! http://www.ksbw.com/article/seaside-high-teacher-accidentally-fires-gun-in-class/19426017 Teacher and a cop....lol It is stunning that a live round would ever be chambered in a class on gun safety. Inert plastic rounds are used and available for such instruction. Third grader shoots cops gun at school: http://www.policemag.com/channel/patrol/news/2018/02/06/minnesota-3rd-grader-fires-officer-s-holstered-gun-at-school.aspx Its stunning school children have to stage walkouts to try and get adults to prevent massacres in their classrooms. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 235 #2109 March 14, 2018 SkyDekker******Arming teachers is clearly a great idea! http://www.ksbw.com/article/seaside-high-teacher-accidentally-fires-gun-in-class/19426017 Teacher and a cop....lol It is stunning that a live round would ever be chambered in a class on gun safety. Inert plastic rounds are used and available for such instruction. Third grader shoots cops gun at school: http://www.policemag.com/channel/patrol/news/2018/02/06/minnesota-3rd-grader-fires-officer-s-holstered-gun-at-school.aspx Its stunning school children have to stage walkouts to try and get adults to prevent massacres in their classrooms. I heard this asshole on the radio this morning, John Reid of WRVA, saying that the kids are doing it just so they get out of school for 17 minutes."I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #2110 March 14, 2018 >Arming teachers is clearly a great idea! The lesson here is clear - we need to start arming students to prevent a recurrence of this near-tragedy. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 235 #2111 March 20, 2018 billvon>Arming teachers is clearly a great idea! The lesson here is clear - we need to start arming students to prevent a recurrence of this near-tragedy. We obviously didn't arm the teachers and students quickly enough, however in the meantime there was a record setting speed at which legislation was put forth banning animals from being put in overhead luggage areas. Maryland high school on lockdown after shooting Reuters Staff (Reuters) - A Maryland high school was on lockdown following a shooting on Tuesday morning, the local school district said in a statement, but the incident has since been “contained.” https://www.reuters.com/article/us-maryland-shooting/maryland-high-school-on-lockdown-after-shooting-idUSKBN1GW1LA"I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #2112 March 20, 2018 Tagging on here. Listen to what the governor of Kentucky has to say. http://www.kentuckynewera.com/multimedia/video/news/youtube_c2674705-960f-52ed-b8d8-9d2c34d514e4.htmlLook for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nolhtairt 0 #2113 March 20, 2018 Apparently, the Florida school did have enough info on Nicolas Cruz to have him forcibly committed via the Baker Act, multiple times... but chose not to. Nice going. Have fun with the ensuing lawsuits. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 235 #2114 March 20, 2018 nolhtairt Apparently, the Florida school did have enough info on Nicolas Cruz to have him forcibly committed via the Baker Act, multiple times... but chose not to. Nice going. Have fun with the ensuing lawsuits. Not going to happen. You don't want to make mandatory action part of any evaluation. They made the wrong decision and people lost their lives. It's terrible and they'll have to live with that."I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #2115 March 20, 2018 SkyDekker******Arming teachers is clearly a great idea! http://www.ksbw.com/article/seaside-high-teacher-accidentally-fires-gun-in-class/19426017 Teacher and a cop....lol It is stunning that a live round would ever be chambered in a class on gun safety. Inert plastic rounds are used and available for such instruction. Third grader shoots cops gun at school: http://www.policemag.com/channel/patrol/news/2018/02/06/minnesota-3rd-grader-fires-officer-s-holstered-gun-at-school.aspx Its stunning school children have to stage walkouts to try and get adults to prevent massacres in their classrooms. No, what is amazing is the parents of these children are allowing the idiot media and gun control zealots to use their children!!!"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #2116 March 20, 2018 SkyDekkerArming teachers is clearly a great idea! http://www.ksbw.com/article/seaside-high-teacher-accidentally-fires-gun-in-class/19426017 Teacher and a cop....lol Now it is again clear that someone should be armed and protecting these kids in school. Todays example! http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/03/20/shooting-at-great-mills-high-school-in-maryland-school-confirms.html QuoteA gunman who shot and wounded two students at Great Mills High School in Maryland was killed Tuesday after engaging an armed school resource officer, an official said. The shooter was the only fatality. A female student was critically injured and a male student was also shot but is in stable condition at a hospital, authorities said. "Our school resource officer was alerted to the event. he pursued the shooter, engaged the shooter, fired a round at the shooter," St. Mary's County Sheriff Tim Cameron said. "The shooter fired a round as well. In the hours and days to come, we'll be able to determine if our school resource officer's round struck the shooter." "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 235 #2117 March 20, 2018 QuoteNo, what is amazing is the parents of these children are allowing the idiot media and gun control zealots to use their children!!! http://time.com/5165577/student-anthony-borges-hero-shot-5-times/ Hey Rush, out of curiosity what have you done to deserve voicing your opinion on a school shooter? I know you think they're too young and inexperienced to have a voice but how about the ones who were actually there? How about the ones who actually got shot and lived? I know we won't hear from the ones who actually died but what do you think they'd have to say?"I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #2118 March 20, 2018 >Hey Rush, out of curiosity what have you done to deserve voicing your opinion on a >school shooter? He saw something on Hannity! >I know we won't hear from the ones who actually died but what do you think they'd have to say? How about - They're not qualified to have an opinion! Dying doesn't make you any smarter. The democrats killed them to have a better story. They're not really dead; it's all a false flag operation. They're all just actors. RushMC isn't the only right winger to be attacking these kids. The approved right-wing story is that these kids are hapless, ignorant victims of an evil media telling them what to say; without that evil influence they would have been fine with the deaths of their friends and would already have gotten over it. But that's not the worst that's been said about the victims of the shooting. Some other right wing commentary: Carlee Soto, who lost her sister in the shooting, is a "crisis actor" who goes to all shootings and is paid to cry on camera - including at Sandy Hook and Florida. A rep out of GOP congressman Shawn Harrison's office said that all the survivors were actually actors “that travel to various crisis when they happen." Leslie Gibson, a Maine republican candidate for the House, attacked Emma Gonzalez, a woman who survived the Florida shooting - he said there was “nothing about this skinhead lesbian” that impressed him. He also said David Hogg, another survivor, was a "bald-faced liar." Conservative media talking head David Clarke had this to say: "The well ORGANIZED effort by Florida school students demanding gun control has GEORGE SOROS’ FINGERPRINTS all over it. It is similar to how he hijacked and exploited black people’s emotion regarding police use of force incidents into the COP HATING Black Lives Matter movement." If there is a bright spot to all of this, it's that the victims are taking it well. Emma Gonzales had this to say about all the attacks on them - “It’s actually really funny to us, last night we kept showing the pictures to each other of the actors that we’re supposed to be and could not stop laughing — it was nice, we haven’t had such a good laugh in what feels like years. It just shows how weak the other side’s argument is, like they have to attack the messengers since the message is airtight. Also I’m thankful that there are people out there finding my doppelgänger for me, always wanted to have a party with a room full of people who look like me.” Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #2119 March 20, 2018 billvon>Hey Rush, out of curiosity what have you done to deserve voicing your opinion on a >school shooter? He saw something on Hannity! >I know we won't hear from the ones who actually died but what do you think they'd have to say? How about - They're not qualified to have an opinion! Dying doesn't make you any smarter. The democrats killed them to have a better story. They're not really dead; it's all a false flag operation. They're all just actors. RushMC isn't the only right winger to be attacking these kids. The approved right-wing story is that these kids are hapless, ignorant victims of an evil media telling them what to say; without that evil influence they would have been fine with the deaths of their friends and would already have gotten over it. But that's not the worst that's been said about the victims of the shooting. Some other right wing commentary: Carlee Soto, who lost her sister in the shooting, is a "crisis actor" who goes to all shootings and is paid to cry on camera - including at Sandy Hook and Florida. A rep out of GOP congressman Shawn Harrison's office said that all the survivors were actually actors “that travel to various crisis when they happen." Leslie Gibson, a Maine republican candidate for the House, attacked Emma Gonzalez, a woman who survived the Florida shooting - he said there was “nothing about this skinhead lesbian” that impressed him. He also said David Hogg, another survivor, was a "bald-faced liar." Conservative media talking head David Clarke had this to say: "The well ORGANIZED effort by Florida school students demanding gun control has GEORGE SOROS’ FINGERPRINTS all over it. It is similar to how he hijacked and exploited black people’s emotion regarding police use of force incidents into the COP HATING Black Lives Matter movement." If there is a bright spot to all of this, it's that the victims are taking it well. Emma Gonzales had this to say about all the attacks on them - “It’s actually really funny to us, last night we kept showing the pictures to each other of the actors that we’re supposed to be and could not stop laughing — it was nice, we haven’t had such a good laugh in what feels like years. It just shows how weak the other side’s argument is, like they have to attack the messengers since the message is airtight. Also I’m thankful that there are people out there finding my doppelgänger for me, always wanted to have a party with a room full of people who look like me.” Sorry Bill But once again you have no idea regarding me . But that is nothing new for you. I posted very early regarding the school shooting in the kids. About the kids getting used and being thrown away when it's over. You can go back and look if you care to. But it'll happen. And I don't have to have a reason to have my opinion so I'm not even replying to the other guys post."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #2120 March 20, 2018 And I ain't attacking the kids bill! I feel sorry for them. Cause they are getting false hope based on stupid ideas that will never stop this kind of shootings!"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lummy 4 #2121 March 20, 2018 rushmcAnd I ain't attacking the kids bill! I feel sorry for them. Cause they are getting false hope based on stupid ideas that will never stop this kind of shootings! Or maybe they're just fed up with the "adults" not doing anything and are starting to voice their opinions?I promise not to TP Davis under canopy.. I promise not to TP Davis under canopy.. eat sushi, get smoochieTTK#1 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 235 #2122 March 20, 2018 rushmcAnd I ain't attacking the kids bill! I feel sorry for them. Cause they are getting false hope based on stupid ideas that will never stop this kind of shootings! Their hope is that people will hear their message and take action. What do you think of that?"I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JerryBaumchen 1,363 #2123 March 20, 2018 Hi lummy, Quotejust fed up with the "adults" You mean those 'adults' like rushmc who is willing to sacrifice anyone just so he can drool over his toys. Jerry Baumchen Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #2124 March 20, 2018 >Their hope is that people will hear their message and take action. The effectiveness of their message is indicated by how strongly the right wing is attacking them. They are terrified that their message is getting through all the noise the NRA can throw up. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yoink 321 #2125 March 20, 2018 rushmcAnd I ain't attacking the kids bill! I feel sorry for them. Cause they are getting false hope based on stupid ideas that will never stop this kind of shootings! You're opinion doesn't matter - You're just getting used by the NRA and right wing media as a mouthpiece. You don't have any opinions of your own. I feel sorry for you! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites