rushmc 23 #626 October 6, 2017 Phil1111******NRA now says feds should review whether bump stocks are even legal, and they "should be subject to *additional* regulations." this is fine the bump stock was ATF approved in 2010 The ATF department of the US government never "approved" bump stocks. Legal council for the ATF decided that it was a firearm part. As such, ATF would not likely be successful in any action in the courts to restrict it, or its sale. With reference to automatic weapons in the US the receiver is the restricted, regulated part. As its defined as the firearm. Thats why you can buy M-16 kits via mail, unrestricted. Which is the automatic version of the Ar-15. They would include every part of the automatic weapon with the exception of the receiver. One part. Ya? So? Got something to tell me I do not know? BTW Not every receiver can be converted to auto by just adding parts. The proper machining needs to be done so those parts work I have built around a dozen AR15's over the years. Of those I have kept is chambered in 6.5 Grendel. I had one 5.56 I sold I wish I still had. NONE of the those I built could be made full auto without machine work. (for normal parts anyway) Is the machine work a big deal? Not if you know what you are doing and have the correct tools. In the end I could care less about what happens to the bump stock other than it can be used as a stepping stone to toward other regulations. The one I will always fight and NEVER follow is registration. None of your (or the governments) damn business to know what guns I have."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 1,149 #627 October 6, 2017 rushmc*********NRA now says feds should review whether bump stocks are even legal, and they "should be subject to *additional* regulations." this is fine the bump stock was ATF approved in 2010 The ATF department of the US government never "approved" bump stocks. Legal council for the ATF decided that it was a firearm part. As such, ATF would not likely be successful in any action in the courts to restrict it, or its sale. With reference to automatic weapons in the US the receiver is the restricted, regulated part. As its defined as the firearm. Thats why you can buy M-16 kits via mail, unrestricted. Which is the automatic version of the Ar-15. They would include every part of the automatic weapon with the exception of the receiver. One part. Ya? So? Got something to tell me I do not know? BTW Not every receiver can be converted to auto by just adding parts. The proper machining needs to be done so those parts work I have built around a dozen AR15's over the years. Of those I have kept is chambered in 6.5 Grendel. I had one 5.56 I sold I wish I still had. NONE of the those I built could be made full auto without machine work. (for normal parts anyway) Is the machine work a big deal? Not if you know what you are doing and have the correct tools. In the end I could care less about what happens to the bump stock other than it can be used as a stepping stone to toward other regulations. The one I will always fight and NEVER follow is registration. None of your (or the governments) damn business to know what guns I have. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jif4Wo0LDX8 I'm sorry. It's embarrassing to take advantage of youth and inexperience. I apologize again. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RiggerLee 61 #628 October 6, 2017 Another one of those stupid/dangerous gizmos. Not full automatic. Some thing like that would be perfectly legal just a profoundly bad ideas. It just kind of highlights the silliness of gun laws. The fastest way to create a demand for some thing? Try to out law it. No one would ever want some thing like that if they had ever burned up ammunition in a full auto gun. LeeLee lee@velocitysportswear.com www.velocitysportswear.com Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #629 October 6, 2017 Phil1111 ************NRA now says feds should review whether bump stocks are even legal, and they "should be subject to *additional* regulations." this is fine the bump stock was ATF approved in 2010 The ATF department of the US government never "approved" bump stocks. Legal council for the ATF decided that it was a firearm part. As such, ATF would not likely be successful in any action in the courts to restrict it, or its sale. With reference to automatic weapons in the US the receiver is the restricted, regulated part. As its defined as the firearm. Thats why you can buy M-16 kits via mail, unrestricted. Which is the automatic version of the Ar-15. They would include every part of the automatic weapon with the exception of the receiver. One part. Ya? So? Got something to tell me I do not know? BTW Not every receiver can be converted to auto by just adding parts. The proper machining needs to be done so those parts work I have built around a dozen AR15's over the years. Of those I have kept is chambered in 6.5 Grendel. I had one 5.56 I sold I wish I still had. NONE of the those I built could be made full auto without machine work. (for normal parts anyway) Is the machine work a big deal? Not if you know what you are doing and have the correct tools. In the end I could care less about what happens to the bump stock other than it can be used as a stepping stone to toward other regulations. The one I will always fight and NEVER follow is registration. None of your (or the governments) damn business to know what guns I have. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jif4Wo0LDX8 I'm sorry. It's embarrassing to take advantage of youth and inexperience. I apologize again. Apologize? you should be embarrassedJust another gizmo like the bump stock."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #630 October 6, 2017 BTW Go to the 5 minute mark of the video and listen to what he says Oh And that suppressor is sooooooooooooo quiet now isn't it "America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #631 October 6, 2017 the very next video after the link you provided https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtGZBL5BmZE"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,991 #632 October 6, 2017 >The suppressors argument shows the lack of knowledge that those who >afraid of guns have about the item. Given that you were dead wrong about suppressors, and pretty clearly demonstrated your lack of knowledge about them, I don't think that really supports your claim. (Unless you are claiming that you are afraid of guns - are you?) >Bill likes to besmirch anyone who would question or debate his (in his mind) good ideas. RushMC: "I am willing to listen to any idea" Several people then posted ideas. RushMC's response: "They need to be practical offers which yours is not" "we can't all be as sarcastic and a smart as you think yourself to be" "you do not have any ideas either." "You need to start with your facts being correct . . and you clearly are not" Another classic RushMC post. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,446 #633 October 7, 2017 Interesting how some people think that everyone should follow laws, until it affects something they're interested in. Oh, his tail light was out. He should have had it fixed if he didn't want to get stopped. Etc. but outlaw some firearm thing, and every law-abiding dude will want one. Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #634 October 7, 2017 wmw999Interesting how some people think that everyone should follow laws, until it affects something they're interested in. Oh, his tail light was out. He should have had it fixed if he didn't want to get stopped. Etc. but outlaw some firearm thing, and every law-abiding dude will want one. Wendy P. If half the nation wants abortion, same sex marriage and to disrespect the flag the other half should be allowed have our individual weapons collection. IMO, when SHTF manifests the first half is really going to need the latter half.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 1,149 #635 October 7, 2017 RonD1120***Interesting how some people think that everyone should follow laws, until it affects something they're interested in. Oh, his tail light was out. He should have had it fixed if he didn't want to get stopped. Etc. but outlaw some firearm thing, and every law-abiding dude will want one. Wendy P. If half the nation wants abortion, same sex marriage and to disrespect the flag the other half should be allowed have our individual weapons collection. IMO, when SHTF manifests the first half is really going to need the latter half. AFAIK the SHTF scenario of thinking and gun ownership is unique to the US. For those who are unfamiliar with these ideas. Its the thinking that the US economy and society are so poorly grounded. That the government and society is going to be reduced to a hunger games/zombie world where only a gun. Preferably a Ar-15 in your hands and a Glock on your hips. Is going to save you from all the other starving desperate Americans who want to steal your food and guns. That in this scenario, only guns and ammunition will have value because with a gun you can defend what you have, take what you don't have and trade guns and ammo. With all the stupid Libs that never "prepped". Or spent endless endless hours building "bug out" kits. That "individual weapons collection(s)" would make more sense than a grain bin with 1000 bu of wheat or barley. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RiggerLee 61 #636 October 7, 2017 There are plenty of reasons to own guns. Setting the fun aside, I'll bet the value of my gun safe has a better return then most 401k's. LeeLee lee@velocitysportswear.com www.velocitysportswear.com Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #637 October 7, 2017 Phil1111 AFAIK the SHTF scenario of thinking and gun ownership is unique to the US. For those who are unfamiliar with these ideas. Its the thinking that the US economy and society are so poorly grounded. That the government and society is going to be reduced to a hunger games/zombie world where only a gun. Preferably a Ar-15 in your hands and a Glock on your hips. Is going to save you from all the other starving desperate Americans who want to steal your food and guns. That in this scenario, only guns and ammunition will have value because with a gun you can defend what you have, take what you don't have and trade guns and ammo. With all the stupid Libs that never "prepped". Or spent endless endless hours building "bug out" kits. That "individual weapons collection(s)" would make more sense than a grain bin with 1000 bu of wheat or barley. Following the logic of Selco in his writings, whatever we imagine SHTF to be, it won't. It will be entirely different from our conjecture.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RiggerLee 61 #638 October 7, 2017 SO I just saw a blurb about an article that was written. Basically it's about the hypocrisy of the left. The left wants to get rid of private gun ownership in this country. No private citizen needs to own weapons of war like these guns. The police will protect us. Donald trump is a fascist dictator. The Police are raciest and shoot blacks and minorities. So the solution is to concentrate all power in the hands of Donald Trump, the military, and police. Only the police will have guns. No blacks or minorities will be allowed to have guns or defend them selves. All power to do what ever he wants will be given to our dictator Donald Trump. Guaranteeing a leneage of control by this family. At least eight years under Donald, that's if he does not abolish the amendment limiting him to two terms. To be followed ether by Junior or Ivanka. I think she wants the power. By then The fascism should be solid grip on the nation for all time. So all of this was kind of tung in cheek but it is funny. I think it's rooted in the fact that they have still not realized that they have lost control of the government. They haven't come to grips with it yet. They just assume that the big government will always be their thing. Basically they have forgotten why the second amendment exist. It's actually there for a rather politically incorrect reason. The purpose of the second amendment is so the government can be over thrown. Sounds weird but it's true. The story of Paul Revere is the story of a gun grab by the government. The idea was to arrest a few head trouble makers and squash this little rebellion before it got off the ground. They had written orders to grab any gun or cannon they could find. With out them the uprising was over. And the revolutionaries were well aware of this. Years later they wrote the second amendment to insure that their decedents would never be caught off guard again. In principle it could be argued that the second amendment protects your right to own machine guns, hand guns, grenades, and tanks. It was never intended to protect hunting rifles, or sporting guns. And it was intended that these arms remain with the citizenry not under the control of the government. It was the government that they were intended to be used against. They are intended to protect blacks, minorities, the down trodden so that they should never fear their government. This is not the PC view put forward in polite society but it's true. It's just funny that the left, self proclaimed defenders of the oppressed victims of the country, side with the oppressors in disarming and holding down their victims that they are sworn to protect. So they oppose the second amendment in support of the fascist government that they abhor. Just steering shit. LeeLee lee@velocitysportswear.com www.velocitysportswear.com Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gowlerk 2,191 #639 October 7, 2017 QuoteThe left wants to get rid of private gun ownership in this country. This is false. It is fear mongering. QuoteThe purpose of the second amendment is so the government can be over thrown. Sounds weird but it's true. This is true. And the moment that the establishment feels threatened by it will be the moment the 2nd is either repealed, or the SC takes a very different view of what it means. Left and right is far too simple of a way to look at the competing viewpoints involved in gun control. And why stop at cannon and tanks? Why can't the people develop nukes to keep the government in line?Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 1,149 #640 October 7, 2017 RiggerLee There are plenty of reasons to own guns. Setting the fun aside, I'll bet the value of my gun safe has a better return then most 401k's. Lee "Apparently good guys only buy guns when it appears there will be some sort of gun control demon running for national office. As a result, gun sales have slumped heavily following the election of Donald Trump.... Gun prices are falling fast. Manufacturers have too much supply and not enough demand... Looking over some of the recent gun sales flyers, I have to admit that it looks like guns are pretty much free these days. I recently saw a one-day flash sale of Taurus PT 111 G2 pistols for $199 each. I own a PT 111. I paid $250 for it three years ago. And I bought it used! I love that little pistol with its 12-round magazine and second-strike capability. It is a wonderful little concealed carry gun. AR-15 prices have fallen like an old hotel on the Vegas strip. I’ve seen entire guns, not just uppers, for $399.... Police trade-in guns are dropping in price as well. I recently saw Glock 17 pistols for $399. I was hoping I would start to see Beretta 92/M9 pistols for sale pretty soon, but the recall of the SIG 320 might slow that process just a bit. I bought an SKS for some ungodly low price a few months back. When all the discounts and rebates were applied to the price, I paid $58 for the gun" Sorry about the bad news for your 401khttps://www.usconcealedcarry.com/lets-put-end-trump-slump/ Above from United States Concealed Carry Association Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,489 #641 October 7, 2017 Quote This is not the PC view put forward in polite society but it's true. Is it? Is there any sort of study which correlates the stability of a democracy with the strength of its gun control? Quote It's just funny that the left, self proclaimed defenders of the oppressed victims of the country, side with the oppressors in disarming and holding down their victims that they are sworn to protect. So they oppose the second amendment in support of the fascist government that they abhor. Ah but you assume that the left agrees with the viewpoint of the pro-second amendment right, that shooting cops is the appropriate response to abuses of power or government overreach. Luckily they don'tDo you want to have an ideagasm? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RiggerLee 61 #642 October 7, 2017 It's all about what's in your gun safe. My 401k is doing just fine. Lee Lee lee@velocitysportswear.com www.velocitysportswear.com Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
riggerrob 643 #643 October 8, 2017 gowlerkMaybe the dude just hated the crap that now passes for "country music". -------------------------------------------------------------------------- What do you get when you combine "country" music with "rap" music? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 1,149 #644 October 8, 2017 Well I have to agree with you on gun control in the US. Its going nowhere. The NRA supports a presidential order banning the sale of new bump stocks but not banning them. Or restricting ownership of existing bump stocks. A presidential order, not legislation. Because legislation means debate. This is a video of Steve Scalise,House majority whip. Yes, he's the guy who was shot in the hip during the baseball game. https://www.cbsnews.com/videos/rep-steve-scalise-on-why-he-supports-gun-rights/ The left wing shooter of Steve did more to preserve gun rights than the Vegas shooter did to move dialog to restrict them. In the US. Nancy Pelosi, minority Democrat leader also showed why there's debate about leadership among democrats. She was shooting her mouth off that a endless list of restrictions was on the agenda. "Senate Republican leader Mitch McConnell is known as a shrewd political operator. You can count on him to enforce strict party loyalty.... OK. So when McConnell gets described in the press, it's like the words master technician or master tactician are part of his name. Can you explain how he got that reputation?... Well, he got that reputation over the years largely while he was leading his party in the minority. It was, of course, during the Obama years where he was so, so effective as a party leader who pulled the party together to lead the obstruction of the Obama agenda." http://www.npr.org/2017/07/29/540214738/mitch-mcconnells-leadership Mitch McConnell is against gun control of any sort. Yes the same Mitch McConnell that trump wants to fight with. The same one that trump wants to denigrate in public. Mitch, Steve and the orange wonder child. Will trump Pelosi any day of the week. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
airdvr 210 #645 October 9, 2017 Starting to hear stories of multiple shooters. Anyone have any insights on that?Please don't dent the planet. Destinations by Roxanne Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,489 #646 October 9, 2017 airdvrStarting to hear stories of multiple shooters. Anyone have any insights on that? Conspiracy theorists.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #647 October 9, 2017 Bump stocks are not worth messing with. In the current context they are a symbol and nothing more. Now finally, someone has got it right. That being, there is no law that could have stopped the shooting in Vegas https://www.nbcnews.com/meet-the-press/video/full-feinstein-i-don-t-know-of-a-gun-law-that-could-have-stopped-las-vegas-shooting-1065414723790"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,523 #648 October 9, 2017 jakee ***Starting to hear stories of multiple shooters. Anyone have any insights on that? Conspiracy theorists. There are also claims that it couldn't have come from the suite the authorities are stating where the shooter was, because you can't see any muzzle flashes on the videos. Ummm... There's enough ambient light in the area that any muzzle flash would be washed out. Vegas is very bright. And to be a bit pedantic, I hate the term 'conspiracy theorists" (or conspiracy theory). A "Theory" is something that has solid, scientific evidence to back it up. Provable, demonstrable evidence. Gravity, evolution and relativity are good examples of a "Theory". That the moon landing was fake, that the Sandy Hook shooting was faked, that the US was behind the Sept 11, 2001 attacks (or that a plane never really hit the Pentagon), the Illuminati being in charge of the world, Kennedy being assassinated by the Mob, the CIA or the Cubans... Or this shit about the Vegas shooting. NONE OF THEM stand up to any sort of serious, objective scrutiny. To call these things "theories" (or these idiots 'theorists') shows the same level of understanding as saying "Well, evolution is just a theory." Ok, rant over. "There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ryoder 1,590 #649 October 9, 2017 wolfriverjoe That the moon landing was fake, that the Sandy Hook shooting was faked, that the US was behind the Sept 11, 2001 attacks (or that a plane never really hit the Pentagon), the Illuminati being in charge of the world, Kennedy being assassinated by the Mob, the CIA or the Cubans... Or this shit about the Vegas shooting. You forgot to mention that George Soros is financing all of it."There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,523 #650 October 9, 2017 ryoder *** That the moon landing was fake, that the Sandy Hook shooting was faked, that the US was behind the Sept 11, 2001 attacks (or that a plane never really hit the Pentagon), the Illuminati being in charge of the world, Kennedy being assassinated by the Mob, the CIA or the Cubans... Or this shit about the Vegas shooting. You forgot to mention that George Soros is financing all of it.Well, the list of idiotic conspiracy claims is very, very long. I didn't include Pizza Gate, NASA kidnapping kids and sending them to Mars for the last 20 years, Lizard Aliens being in charge, the government hiding alien technology at Area 51*, or a host of other things. Einstein is credited with the quote that "The difference between intelligence and stupidity is that intelligence has limits." The idiots that believe that garbage seem to prove that. * - I've always found the claims that the "Alien Technology", primarily from the Roswell crash, are at Area 51 to be rather amusing. Anyone who has studied the Roswell incident knows that the wreckage was taken to Hangar 18 at Wright-Patterson in Ohio (really)."There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Share this post Link to post Share on other sites