More mass shootings

[kallend 2,027]

rushmc

By the way, did you know that no high-capacity magazines were used in the latest Florida shooting?

And still, despite that disadvantage, he killed 21 and injured way more.

Just think how bad it could have been.

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PhreeZone

Question is - do you want to turn schools into prisons where students are dealt with like inmates where they have bulletproof glass and doors around them, that they have to move only in supervised groups and have armed guards at all the entrances and exits?

To me, that sounds even worse than the status quo, which is already unacceptable.

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airdvr

I've come to the conclusion that you probably won't solve the school problem at the door, or even in the classroom. The actual number of schools that have had a shooter is minuscule when compared to the number of schools in general.

Focusing on schools is an ineffective strategy for dealing with mass shootings. They don't just happen at schools.

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[rushmc 23]

When you say why is your man up man, you're showing your stubborn unbending side and presenting exactly what you're calling him. The irony is off the charts.

His views are not weird! They just different from yours. And like most liberals, liberals can't understand how anybody can disagree with them because they think they're smarter than everybody else on the planet! Will guess what pal, they're not

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[jakee 1,489]

rushmc

When you say why is your man up man,

Wuh??

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And like most liberals, liberals can't understand

You. We can't understand you. No-one can.

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how anybody can disagree with them because they think they're smarter than everybody else on the planet!

So you have an issue with liberals thinking they're smarter than the people they disagree with. OK, fair enough.

Do you have an issue with Ron thinking the people he disagrees with are un-American? Do you have an issue with Ron thinking the people he disagrees with are the enemy?

Do you want to have an ideagasm?

[RonD1120 62]

JoeWeber

******>I wonder why Americans are so divided?

Because of people like you. When you define half your country as the enemy, and call Russia's attacks against that same country as no big deal - just a partisan trick - then you divide the country.

"Now socialism is part of the Democrat Party, they call themselves Progressive Liberals. I still consider them the enemy."

What do you think should be done with us?

Exactly what many here are so painstakingly attempting to do: wise your stubborn Christian ass up. You slay me, man. You're all goody two shoes about providing free mental health services to needy vets but hate socialism. You do it for free and then rely on the kindness of strangers for your plate of beans.

You want any weapon you personally deem necessary for your own protection without providing a scintilla of evidence for the need. And that's good enough to trump any one else's concerns about gun proliferation.

And then, by the by, ya'll don't forget that you are my enemies if, unfortunately, my fellow Americans while we're having this chat.

Ron, you have very weird views.

Evidence of need for owning a firearm of choice is not required. It is a Constitutional right.

Cars kill more people than guns. Most need a car. A compact car will suffice but some people buy Hummers and Corvettes. Why? Because they can and it makes them feel better.

You feel bad about my gun ownership. Well, I'm OK with that but don't try to take them away from me.

I may be weird in your view. I'm OK with that too. However, I am not alone and you probably would not fit in very well in my social group anymore than I would fit in with yours.

Let's just hang with our friends.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

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jakee

Do you have an issue with Ron thinking the people he disagrees with are un-American? Do you have an issue with Ron thinking the people he disagrees with are the enemy?

You do not really understand what being an American means.

An enemy is anyone who attempts to impose his will on me, my family or my community in such a manner as to make me feel threatened.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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Let's just hang with our friends.

Right after lamenting about how you don't understand why the country is so divided.

[kallend 2,027]

rushmc

... they think they're smarter than everybody else on the planet! Will guess what pal, they're not

Correct, nobody is smarter than Trump. We know that because he told us. It's on video.

He also told us “Take the guns first, go through due process second.”.

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[kallend 2,027]

RonD1120

You feel bad about my gun ownership. Well, I'm OK with that but don't try to take them away from me.

“Take the guns first, go through due process second.” - Donald Trump.

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kallend

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You feel bad about my gun ownership. Well, I'm OK with that but don't try to take them away from me.

“Take the guns first, go through due process second.” - Donald Trump.

Yeah, but it ain't gonna happen here.

Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

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RonD1120

Let's just hang with our friends.

Keep embracing that us vs. them mentality, Ron. Lucifer is proud.

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[airdvr 210]

wmw999

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Except that we're not every other country and if you approach it that way you won't get the job done. We're less than 200 years removed from the wild west and guns are a part of that society. They'll remain that way unless you convince these folks that you aren't trying to take their guns. Good luck with that.

We're not that fucking special.

What makes the gun owners more powerful than the non-gun-owners? Is it their willingness to use their guns to "defend their rights?" I understand the second amendment (I participate). But all the posturing just makes the gun owners look like assholes who are willing to threaten people for wanting to be able to worry less about immediate violence. And remember that rule -- never threaten someone with a gun if you're not willing to shoot them.

And to all the people who don't want any guns around? Well, there are people on the right who don't want any evidence of non-Christians, or homosexuality, etc. That doesn't work for them, and it doesn't work for you. This "guns are the new hammer in a world full of nails" approach is BS, but they do exist.

Wendy P.

I agree Wendy...I'm simply observing. I don't own any guns and don't feel the need to. My son OTOH has started a nice collection of firearms, including an AR style weapon. I want to believe he's a responsible owner.

I'm in favor of some changes; bump stocks should be outlawed, magazine size limited. Some of the other ideas adapted by other countries might be a good idea but will only have the effect of solidifying the resistance. None of this will stop anyone who intends to harm others with firearms.

I believe the problem isn't the weapons so much as it is our society. We glorify killing in movies, TV, and games. Have you seen the John Wick franchise? Either way, in another 20 years most of us will be gone and forgotten. Fatalistic view? Yup.

Please don't dent the planet.

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airdvr

I believe the problem isn't the weapons so much as it is our society.

Sometimes symptoms must be treated concurrently with the underlying disease.

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RonD1120

You do not really understand what being an American means.

An enemy is anyone who attempts to impose his will on me, my family or my community in such a manner as to make me feel threatened.

I feel threatened when the ultra religious try to turn their religion into law and force their will on me, my family, and my community. But that does not make them my enemy.

Both them and I are trying to make our country and world better and that is a very good thing. The only problem is that we have different ideas of what better is. That does not mean that they are my enemy, it just means that we need to have a discussion and both of us need to be willing to compromise.

"I fly because it releases my mind from the tyranny of petty things." - Antoine de Saint-Exupery

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RonD1120

***Do you have an issue with Ron thinking the people he disagrees with are un-American? Do you have an issue with Ron thinking the people he disagrees with are the enemy?

You do not really understand what being an American means.

An enemy is anyone who attempts to impose his will on me, my family or my community in such a manner as to make me feel threatened.

Why do YOU get to define what being an American means??

You were born into it. Some of us had to WORK to become an American.

[billvon 2,991]

>An enemy is anyone who attempts to impose his will on me, my family or my
>community in such a manner as to make me feel threatened.

Ah. So it's how you FEEL that matters, not what's actually happening. And that's what being an American is all about.

In that case, if gun ownership makes people FEEL threatened, then we should absolutely work on reducing their numbers.

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RonD1120

You do not really understand what being an American means.

An enemy is anyone who attempts to impose his will on me, my family or my community in such a manner as to make me feel threatened.

Perhaps it is you, Ron, who does not understand what being an American means. You'll find, by reading the Constitution, that the Framers believed international treaties should supersede the Constitution, the Constitution should supersede other federal law, and federal law should supersede state and local law. The Framers very much intended for Americans to be influenced by their superset organizations.

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[gowlerk 2,191]

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You do not really understand what being an American means.

Being American means you never have to say you're sorry.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[airdvr 210]

jcd11235

***I believe the problem isn't the weapons so much as it is our society.

Sometimes symptoms must be treated concurrently with the underlying disease.

No argument from me there. But in the real world your suggested treatment will only divide the country even more.

Guns are about control. I think law abiding gun owners like to feel they have some semblance of control over a government that has shown it's willingness to disregard it's people in favor of big business. Now we all know that your typical AR won't be worth a hill of beans if the government decided that you shouldn't exist anymore. Ask the Weavers or the Branch Davidians.

Please don't dent the planet.

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[Bob_Church 7]

"Evidence of need for owning a firearm of choice is not required. It is a Constitutional right. "

This is something I keep seeing in relationship to things like high capacity magazines. I believe that trying to decide what people need or not is not going to go well with most Americans. If you have reasons to ban something then state them and maybe it will happened. But "why do you need that" is patronizing and not the way our law is supposed to work. We're not some pre-90s Eastern Block country where a committee decides what kitchen utilities we need enough to start manufacturing them.

[billvon 2,991]

>But "why do you need that" is patronizing and not the way our law is supposed to work.

?? Every law out there is a balance between people's needs and the rights of other people to avoid injury or death.

You can't own highly enriched uranium yourself because 1) it can be used to make nuclear weapons and that is VERY dangerous to other people and 2) 99.999% of people don't need it. So it's outlawed.

You CAN own diesel fuel because, although it can (and has been) used to make ANFO bombs that kill hundreds, people need it for their tractors, trucks and cars.

For years you couldn't buy or own Krytron tubes, because they were used for nuclear weapon triggers. And no one really needed them. But you could buy triodes or pentodes (even though they were also usable in nuclear weapons) because people needed them for their TV's and radios.

There's always a balance.

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Now I want a Kryton tube...

Just because it sounds cool.

[gowlerk 2,191]

yoink

Now I want a Kryton tube...

Just because it sounds cool.

The post made me Google it and read the Wikipedia article. By the way, it's Krytron, not Kryton. Apparently a common error.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

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gowlerk

***Now I want a Kryton tube...

Just because it sounds cool.

The post made me Google it and read the Wikipedia article. By the way, it's Krytron, not Kryton. Apparently a common error.

I want one of those too.