More mass shootings

[DJL 235]

"In short, its version of an assault weapon is "a semiautomatic rifle that has the capacity to accept a large capacity magazine, detachable or otherwise." There are other aspects, including rifle additions and types of magazines.
As defined by the village, the term also includes semiautomatic pistols, semiautomatic shotguns, conversion kits and "any shotgun with a revolving cylinder.""

I don't agree with the inclusion of pistols and think the term should state the type of bullet it chambers. Basically anything as or more powerful than .223 or 5.56NATO.

I own a 22LR that holds 15 rounds and I think we all know that while it could inflict a quantity of damage that the injuries are a far cry to what someone could do with .223 rounds.

"I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

[Phil1111 1,149]

  rushmc

***Sorry, again, what is the Left disappointed about?

That shooter was not a man, did not us an AR15, was not a Trump supporter, she was left wing and, if all the above criteria were met, so few people were shot.

Short story?

The left and its media could not use that story to push the gun ban agenda.

I apologize to everyone but yourself. I've been baited again and as always you're wrong. Completely wrong.

"Aghdam also left a trail of..general criticisms of institutions she regarded as responsible for “destroying family values"

Above from:
People Are Molding Their Responses to Nasim Aghdam to Fit the Shape of Their Bigotry
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/04/people-are-molding-their-responses-to-nasim-aghdam-to-fit-the-shape-of-their-bigotry.html

"Family Values" seems to be a NRA/republican agenda item.

[rushmc 23]

  DJL

"In short, its version of an assault weapon is "a semiautomatic rifle that has the capacity to accept a large capacity magazine, detachable or otherwise." There are other aspects, including rifle additions and types of magazines.
As defined by the village, the term also includes semiautomatic pistols, semiautomatic shotguns, conversion kits and "any shotgun with a revolving cylinder.""

I don't agree with the inclusion of pistols and think the term should state the type of bullet it chambers. Basically anything as or more powerful than .223 or 5.56NATO.

I own a 22LR that holds 15 rounds and I think we all know that while it could inflict a quantity of damage that the injuries are a far cry to what someone could do with .223 rounds.

Then you think this is an assault riffle too.
And it can and is chambered in calibers much more powerful than the .223 or 5.56

http://www.browning.com/products/firearms/rifles/bar.html

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

You're going to have to ban all of these two then right?

https://www.tactical-life.com/gear/masterful-mags-top-10-detachable-box-magazine-platforms/

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rifleman 70]

  rushmc

You're going to have to ban all of these two then right?

https://www.tactical-life.com/gear/masterful-mags-top-10-detachable-box-magazine-platforms/

All bar two of those are bolt action hunter/sniper rifles and even with the best will in the world you can't fire a boltie with anywhere near the same speed as a semi-auto.

Atheism is a Non-Prophet Organisation

[Phil1111 1,149]

  rushmc

You're going to have to ban all of these two then right?

https://www.tactical-life.com/gear/masterful-mags-top-10-detachable-box-magazine-platforms/

Really!!! Tactical Life magazine? Do you really want to be out with the shotgun depicted in the attachment?

There are clubs nearby where you can learn wingshooting. Google "skeet" and "trap". Or better yet "sporting clays". They can help you out.

The NRA can put you in touch with shooting clubs where marksmanship is emphasized. Shooting steel at 500 yards where every miss counts for more than the size of your magazine.

Perhaps the exaggerated size of of your magazine makes up of the lack of size of something else?

.....i.e.... marksmanship!

[rushmc 23]

Nice lack of content!

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[yoink 321]

All - Stop feeding the troll.

[rushmc 23]

  yoink

All - Stop feeding the troll.

It's so funny to watch you when you're losing the debate! Now consider this.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/04/08/nearly-100-years-gun-control-london-adding-knife-control/

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[DJL 235]

I do not support a ban on anything and I've said that 100 times. Categorize weapons with high powered rounds, high capacity magazines (Most are saying 10 rounds but I think 6 to 8 is better), semiautomatic the same as machine guns. If you need these weapons it's for a very specific purpose and you have to go through the process.

I don't care what the weapon looks like, I can't tell from the links you're posting but remove just two, and in some cases just 1 of those three items from a rifle and you're back at a hunting rifle. If you need 9 rounds for follow-up while deer hunting you need to take up bowling. If you're hunting in the African bush, yes, you probably need something way more powerful.

What I AM saying is that if you as a presumably law abiding gun owner don't figure out some middle ground then gun violence will continue and the people who want to fully ban weapons will get their way.

"I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

[DJL 235]

  rushmc

***All - Stop feeding the troll.

It's so funny to watch you when you're losing the debate! Now consider this.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/04/08/nearly-100-years-gun-control-london-adding-knife-control/

Oh for fuck's sake, this will make episode three that I've gone down the London road with someone in the last week.

What's your point, Rush? Please state that to begin with and we'll wrap this up before lunch.

"I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

[rushmc 23]

  DJL

******All - Stop feeding the troll.

It's so funny to watch you when you're losing the debate! Now consider this.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/04/08/nearly-100-years-gun-control-london-adding-knife-control/

Oh for fuck's sake, this will make episode three that I've gone down the London road with someone in the last week.

What's your point, Rush? Please state that to begin with and we'll wrap this up before lunch.

The point? The point is banning guns will not change the culture. Banning guns will not stop what you think it'll stop. Banning up semi-automatics with high-capacity magazines won't make a difference.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[DJL 235]

The culture of crime? So you're saying that the availability of guns has nothing to do with crime and that criminals will choose any weapon on hand? That's fine, I agree with you. It's a weapon of choice thing rather than a cause and effect thing.

We'll put a pin in the topic of high capacity semi-automatic weapons with high powered rounds.

Edit: To continue...

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The point? The point is banning guns will not change the culture. Banning guns will not stop what you think it'll stop. Banning up semi-automatics with high-capacity magazines won't make a difference.

What's going on in London right now is a result of a rise in crime that the city has found is related to the reduced budget and personal in their police force, it's no mystery that if you have fewer police then criminals will take opportunity to do their crime thing. As far as guns go, 65% of the murders in London (a city of 8.5 million people) are from knives. In comparison, New York (a city of 8.5 million people) with relatively restrictive control measures has almost exactly the same crime rate as London but its corresponding gun murders are much higher as a result of guns being much more available in the criminal market because you only need to cross a few bridges to go get one.

So, there are two outcomes, that gun control on a national level results in fewer gun deaths and that crime rates remain the same for two cities of the same size.

Now, a little bit of history, the NY vs London thing is a topic du jour because New York is thought of as being crime ridden but that's not true anymore. In the last decade murders have fallen drastically while at the same time in London they've risen. NY is currently at a record low in murders with fewer than 340 in 2016, about 300 in 2017 and on track for the same in 2018. That puts New York City at the bottom end of the top largest cities in the US and in the meantime New York State has the third to lowest gun caused death in the United States. So to compare London to New York isn't exactly saying that London is in bad shape according to US standards.

However, for UK standards it's unacceptable. They are now making changes to reverse the funding cuts that put them in this situation to begin with.

So, what does that say about guns and crime? 7 gun deaths per month is a very good place to be and in any situation everyone would be much better off if their assailant had a knife than a gun. You have a much broader range of options to defend yourself or flee and the wounds are much easier to deal with. Sure, you still have people who want to murder and commit crimes but you've reduced their ability to control a situation and inflict damage. If those criminals had guns instead of knives what do you think the outcome would be?

Edit about the cities response:
The Breitbart article leaves out that in the long term they're going to return police funding to its original levels. In 2010 the group that came into power in Parliament cut national funding and there was a 20,000 personnel reduction. The result has been a 20% annual rise in gun, knife and serious violent crime across England even as there's been a 9% overall drop in crime.

I'm not sure where that leaves you with your statements about gun restrictions having nothing to do with crime. What it DOES do is restricts the ability of criminals and fewer options for what a criminal can inflict reduces their ability to commit that crime.

"I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

[rushmc 23]

I stopped reading where you say they are assault rifles. Because they are not. So the rest is a waste of time

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[gowlerk 2,249]

That’s a lot of effort to reply to the troll who will in turn simply brag about not bothering to read it.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

[DJL 235]

  rushmc

I stopped reading where you say they are assault rifles. Because they are not. So the rest is a waste of time

Ok, I changed it. Back at you.

"I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher

[wmw999 2,534]

I think some people on this thread see themselves as being awesome at dodgeball, taking all the slings, dodging them, and then throwing the ball back. I can just see the quick turn and arch as the ball zings by the backside. Of course, that’s only in their own estimation. To everyone else, they pretty much got nailed, and, like the knight in Monty Python, keep saying “you think that’s a hit?”

Wendy P.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[Bob_Church 7]

  wmw999

I think some people on this thread see themselves as being awesome at dodgeball, taking all the slings, dodging them, and then throwing the ball back. I can just see the quick turn and arch as the ball zings by the backside. Of course, that’s only in their own estimation. To everyone else, they pretty much got nailed, and, like the knight in Monty Python, keep saying “you think that’s a hit?”

Wendy P.

Yeh, but it does beat a handful of toadies posting endless reach-arounds.

Bob Church

[yoink 321]

It really doesn't.

Even people in here who agree with the broader idea of gun control differ on the extents and mechanisms of how to implement it.

I'm sorry you see that type of discussion as a reacharound, but for me those discussions are far more valuable than responses that are half sentence throwaways with absolutely no substance to them. It's taken me a while but I've learnt that it's pointless to waste time reading or replying to some posters.

Even more valuable are the genuine but civil disagreements on fundamental ideas. I've only seen a few on this board but those are fantastic.

[Bob_Church 7]

Sorry, poor wording on my part. I wasn't meaning to limit it in any way to this thread.

[yoink 321]

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43855097

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Naked gunman kills four in Nashville Waffle House

Move along. Thoughts and prayers here. Nothing to see. Huge props to the customer who grabbed the gun though.


To be fair, I've actually eaten in a Waffle House in Tennessee and it was pretty much the worst food I've had anywhere in the world. Maybe the gunman didn't like his still frozen hash browns and coffee with fingernails in it.

[kallend 2,106]

  yoink

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43855097

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Naked gunman kills four in Nashville Waffle House

Move along. Thoughts and prayers here. Nothing to see

Really?

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To be fair, I've actually eaten in a Waffle House in Tennessee and it was pretty much the worst food I've had anywhere in the world. Maybe the gunman didn't like his still frozen hash browns and coffee with fingernails in it.

One for the "Only in America" file.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[RMK 3]

Just saw this one in the news.

So we've got a young white redneck kid, AR15, Waffle House, naked (suppose let's add some extra crazy sauce on top of the crazy) and a hero.

This is the the stuff of Merle Haggard song lyrics. I didn't read the full details, but did someone's Momma just get out of prison? That would really complete the story.

"Pain is the best instructor, but no one wants to attend his classes"

[kallend 2,106]

  RMK

Just saw this one in the news.

So we've got a young white redneck kid, AR15, Waffle House, naked (suppose let's add some extra crazy sauce on top of the crazy) and a hero.

This is the the stuff of Merle Haggard song lyrics. I didn't read the full details, but did someone's Momma just get out of prison? That would really complete the story.

And his girlfriend, who is also his cousin, ran off with his dog.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[Bob_Church 7]

57 people, 30 of them women and children, die while trying to vote. But no AR-15s involved so it's *way* down the news page.


https://www.cbsnews.com/news/kabul-afghanistan-suicide-bomber-voter-registration-center-2018-04-22/