rushmc 23 #2276 April 22, 2018 No wonder the CDC never published it! http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/04/21/unpublished-cdc-study-confirms-2-million-annual-defensive-gun-uses/ Ban guns and we're going to have more crimes and death. And the reason this story is found on Breitbart is because the left-leaning DNC supporting media would never publish it. But the truth does get out despite them and they're fake news."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bob_Church 7 #2277 April 22, 2018 rushmc No wonder the CDC never published it! http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/04/21/unpublished-cdc-study-confirms-2-million-annual-defensive-gun-uses/ Ban guns and we're going to have more crimes and death. And the reason this story is found on Breitbart is because the left-leaning DNC supporting media would never publish it. But the truth does get out despite them and they're fake news. We were so close over there. The Afghans can't be conquered but they can be allies and they would have been. We'd helped them run out the Soviets. A couple of months and petty cash worth of rebuilding and it would have become an ally and decent place to live. But we abandoned them and the crazies took over. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 1,149 #2278 April 22, 2018 rushmc No wonder the CDC never published it! http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/04/21/unpublished-cdc-study-confirms-2-million-annual-defensive-gun-uses/ Ban guns and we're going to have more crimes and death. And the reason this story is found on Breitbart is because the left-leaning DNC supporting media would never publish it. But the truth does get out despite them and they're fake news. Trolling for the NRA much. Or just a stooge for Breitbart? "That’s almost as catchy as “guns don’t kill people, people kill people.” The problem is: The 2 million figure — often inflated to 2.5 million in N.R.A. literature — is bogus. Defensive gun use is actually quite rare. A new paper from the Violence Policy Center states that “for the five-year period 2007 through 2011, the total number of self-protective behaviors involving a firearm by victims of attempted or completed violent crimes or property crimes totaled only 338,700.” That comes to an annual average of 67,740 — not nothing, but nowhere near the N.R.A.’s 2 million or 2.5 million. Readers can judge for themselves whether the V.P.C. or the N.R.A. is likely to have better numbers. The V.P.C. used data from the National Crime Victimization Survey, conducted by the Bureau of Justice Statistics. The N.R.A.’s estimate is the result of a telephone survey conducted by a Florida State University criminologist. The V.P.C. also found that in 2010 “there were only 230 justifiable homicides involving a private citizen using a firearm” reported to the F.B.I.’s Uniform Crime Reporting Program. Compare that with the number of criminal gun homicides in the same year: 8,275. (That’s not counting gun suicides or unintentional shootings.) Or compare it with the number of Americans killed by guns since Newtown: 3,458. https://takingnote.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/04/15/defensive-gun-use/ "That's in a nation in which there are some 300 million firearms, nearly one for every person (though only a little over a third of Americans own guns — and there's an interesting take on that here, and on the ramifications of gun ownership on murder rates here, and while you're reading links, this is of interest, too). This is also a nation in which, in 2012, there were 1.2 million violent crimes, defined as murder, forcible rape, robbery and aggravated assault. Or, put another way, 1.2 million scenarios in which there was potential for someone to kill in self-defense. Oh, and match those 259 justifiable homicides with the theft of about 232,000 guns each year, about 172,000 of them during burglaries. That's a ratio of one justifiable homicide for every 896 guns put in the hands of criminals. Those 259 justifiable homicides also pale compared with, in the same year, 8,342 criminal homicides using guns, 20,666 suicides with guns, and 548 fatal unintentional shootings, according to the FBI's Supplemental Homicide Report. The ratio for 2012, per the Violence Policy Center, was one justifiable killing for every 32 murders, suicides or accidental deaths (the ratio increases to 38-1 over the five-year period ending in 2012). That's a heavy price to pay. The center also dives into the thorny thicket of how often the presence of a gun stops a crime — either violent or against property, such as a burglary — from happening. The gun lobby trots out an annual figure of 2.5 million such instances. But an analysis of five years' worth of stats collected by the federal Bureau of Justice Statistics' National Crime Victimization Survey puts the number much, much lower — about 67,740 times a year. It's also useful, as the Violence Policy Center does, to dig into the relationships among the attackers and those who kill in self-defense. Over the five-year span ending in 2012, more than half — 56% — of the justifiable homicides involved strangers, and in 11% of the cases, the relationship was not reported. The rest were acquaintances (18.7%) such as neighbors and coworkers, and then a mishmash of relatives and personal relationships." http://www.latimes.com/opinion/opinion-la/la-ol-guns-self-defense-charleston-20150619-story.html So Breitbart has taken the invented number from the NRA of 2.5 million. Used a barefaced lie as the foundation of a story. _________________________________________________ CDC Now Has Authority To Research Gun Violence. What's Next? March 25, 20188:36 AM ET "For almost 20 years, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention have been avoiding gun violence research. But new language in the spending bill signed by President Trump on Friday could change that. Dr. Mark Rosenberg once oversaw gun violence research at the CDC." https://www.npr.org/2018/03/25/596805354/cdc-now-has-authority-to-research-gun-violence-whats-next _____________________________________________________ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #2279 April 22, 2018 You pretend to be superior using your sources? That's the funniest fucking thing that's been posted on here in months. How much does the DNC pay you?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #2280 April 22, 2018 Phil1111 So Breitbart has taken the invented number from the NRA of 2.5 million. Used a barefaced lie as the foundation of a story. No surprise, really. It's a shame the content of your post will likely fall fell on deaf ears with the specified audience, confirmation bias at its worst. Edited to update verb tense.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #2281 April 22, 2018 I take it you disagree with the CDC report then too?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #2282 April 22, 2018 I'll take deaf ears to your closed mind any day"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jcd11235 0 #2283 April 22, 2018 rushmc I take it you disagree with the CDC report then too? The unpublished report? I haven't read it. Given that it was describing a time over twenty years ago, when crime rates were far higher, its numbers have approximately zero relevance today, whether it was published or not. My comment was in reference to the extreme-right wing propaganda site to which you linked.Math tutoring available. Only $6! per hour! First lesson: Factorials! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #2284 April 22, 2018 The implication of your comments and in the smugness of your attitude indicates that you must also believe the CDC is a shill of the NRA"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BartsDaddy 7 #2285 April 22, 2018 yoink http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43855097 Quote Naked gunman kills four in Nashville Waffle House Move along. Thoughts and prayers here. Nothing to see. Huge props to the customer who grabbed the gun though. To be fair, I've actually eaten in a Waffle House in Tennessee and it was pretty much the worst food I've had anywhere in the world. Maybe the gunman didn't like his still frozen hash browns and coffee with fingernails in it. Too bad the secret service didn't keep his firearms the last time they took them from him. Huh. Handguns are only used to fight your way to a good rifle Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bob_Church 7 #2286 April 23, 2018 At least they won't have to worry about concealed weapons. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wolfriverjoe 1,523 #2287 April 23, 2018 Phil1111 ***No wonder the CDC never published it! http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/04/21/unpublished-cdc-study-confirms-2-million-annual-defensive-gun-uses/ Ban guns and we're going to have more crimes and death. And the reason this story is found on Breitbart is because the left-leaning DNC supporting media would never publish it. But the truth does get out despite them and they're fake news. Trolling for the NRA much. Or just a stooge for Breitbart? "That’s almost as catchy as “guns don’t kill people, people kill people.” The problem is: The 2 million figure — often inflated to 2.5 million in N.R.A. literature — is bogus. Defensive gun use is actually quite rare. A new paper from the Violence Policy Center... You dismiss (correctly) a report on Breitbart, but post an anti gun piece from VPC and expect it to be taken at face value? Please."There are NO situations which do not call for a French Maid outfit." Lucky McSwervy "~ya don't GET old by being weak & stupid!" - Airtwardo Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Phil1111 1,149 #2288 April 23, 2018 wolfriverjoe ******No wonder the CDC never published it! http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/04/21/unpublished-cdc-study-confirms-2-million-annual-defensive-gun-uses/ Ban guns and we're going to have more crimes and death. And the reason this story is found on Breitbart is because the left-leaning DNC supporting media would never publish it. But the truth does get out despite them and they're fake news. Trolling for the NRA much. Or just a stooge for Breitbart? "That’s almost as catchy as “guns don’t kill people, people kill people.” The problem is: The 2 million figure — often inflated to 2.5 million in N.R.A. literature — is bogus. Defensive gun use is actually quite rare. A new paper from the Violence Policy Center... You dismiss (correctly) a report on Breitbart, but post an anti gun piece from VPC and expect it to be taken at face value? Please. Sure: http://www.politifact.com/georgia/statements/2014/nov/19/violence-policy-center/study-correct-georgias-gender-based-murder-rate/ https://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=search.summary&orgid=10167 http://www.politifact.com/personalities/violence-policy-center/ The question is not about the CDC quashing a study. Since they have been expressly prohibited from doing so by a NRA sponsored bill. "In United States politics, the Dickey Amendment is a provision first inserted as a rider into the 1996 federal government omnibus spending bill which mandated that "none of the funds made available for injury prevention and control at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) may be used to advocate or promote gun control."[1] In the same spending bill, Congress earmarked $2.6 million from the CDC's budget, the exact amount that had previously been allocated to the agency for firearms research the previous year, for traumatic brain injury-related research.[2] The amendment was lobbied for by the NRA. The amendment is named after its author Jay Dickey, a Republican member of the United States House of Representatives from Arkansas.[2] Many commentators have described this amendment as a "ban" on gun violence research by the CDC.[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dickey_Amendment Congress Quashed Research Into Gun Violence. Since Then, 600,000 People Have Been Shot. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/12/health/gun-violence-research-cdc.html Congress then passed the Dickey Amendment in 1996, and cut funding that effectively ended the C.D.C.’s study of gun violence as a public health issue. The result is that 22 years and more than 600,000 gunshot victims later, much of the federal government has largely abandoned efforts to learn why people shoot one another, or themselves, and what can be done to prevent gun violence. After the Parkland school massacre in Florida last month, lawmakers and gun control experts have demanded that the agency take up the issue of studying gun violence again, arguing that the federal law doesn’t ban such research altogether but prohibits advocacy of gun control." So in fact the NRA, Breitbart, Rushmc, et al. are the ones that quashed studies for 20 years. Using a NRA, republican bill banning scientific study into gun violence. Standard Fox News, trump tactics lie, make counter accusations. Compared to the UK that would be 500,000 more dead Americans. For which the Dickey amendment has kept the CDC quiet on. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,562 #2289 April 23, 2018 rushmc I take it you disagree with the CDC report then too? According to your Breitbart source, there is no report.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nolhtairt 0 #2290 April 23, 2018 yoink http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43855097 Quote Naked gunman kills four in Nashville Waffle House Move along. Thoughts and prayers here. Nothing to see. Huge props to the customer who grabbed the gun though. To be fair, I've actually eaten in a Waffle House in Tennessee and it was pretty much the worst food I've had anywhere in the world. Maybe the gunman didn't like his still frozen hash browns and coffee with fingernails in it. It's quite clear the Waffle House shooter has mental issues. He was arrested last year for trespassing on the white house grounds where he wasn't supposed to be. FBI investigated his background and took his guns away, as they should have. Eventually, they gave the guns to his father, with the caveat that he's not to give them back to his son. Well, he did anyway. I'm surprised the dude is still at large, as far as I know. But I fully expect the victims and their families to sue the father for everything he's got. Fucking dumb ass. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 235 #2291 April 23, 2018 nolhtairt ***http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43855097 Quote Naked gunman kills four in Nashville Waffle House Move along. Thoughts and prayers here. Nothing to see. Huge props to the customer who grabbed the gun though. To be fair, I've actually eaten in a Waffle House in Tennessee and it was pretty much the worst food I've had anywhere in the world. Maybe the gunman didn't like his still frozen hash browns and coffee with fingernails in it. It's quite clear the Waffle House shooter has mental issues. He was arrested last year for trespassing on the white house grounds where he wasn't supposed to be. FBI investigated his background and took his guns away, as they should have. Eventually, they gave the guns to his father, with the caveat that he's not to give them back to his son. Well, he did anyway. I'm surprised the dude is still at large, as far as I know. But I fully expect the victims and their families to sue the father for everything he's got. Fucking dumb ass. Father needs to do jail time. But really, gave them to his Dad and told him to promise to be good? WTF? Anyway, here we have an example where the FBI DID do their due diligence and it didn't matter. Seems to fly in the face of the distraction du jour about the Florida kid where the excuse is that it's not a problem with the country being saturated with assault rifles but with the FBI not doing their job."I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,068 #2292 April 23, 2018 >Huge props to the customer who grabbed the gun though. In this case, looks like the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy without a gun. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nolhtairt 0 #2293 April 23, 2018 billvon >Huge props to the customer who grabbed the gun though. In this case, looks like the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy without a gun. What does that say about the entire school in Florida? Dude had magazines and reloaded a few times didn't he? Not everybody has survival instincts. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,068 #2294 April 23, 2018 >What does that say about the entire school in Florida? Where the armed guy stood outside doing nothing to protect the kids there? It says that perhaps courage is more important than whether or not you have a weapon when it comes to stopping shooters. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #2295 April 23, 2018 Quote It says that perhaps courage is more important than whether or not you have a weapon when it comes to stopping shooters. If you can draw that conclusion, then you should also determine that vans are more dangerous than AR-15's. Derek V Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DJL 235 #2296 April 23, 2018 Hooknswoop Quote It says that perhaps courage is more important than whether or not you have a weapon when it comes to stopping shooters. If you can draw that conclusion, then you should also determine that vans are more dangerous than AR-15's. Derek V The van is mightier than the sword."I encourage all awesome dangerous behavior." - Jeffro Fincher Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bob_Church 7 #2297 April 23, 2018 DJL *** Quote It says that perhaps courage is more important than whether or not you have a weapon when it comes to stopping shooters. If you can draw that conclusion, then you should also determine that vans are more dangerous than AR-15's. Derek V The van is mightier than the sword. Besides, there's never any place to park at schools. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
yoink 321 #2298 April 24, 2018 nolhtairt ***http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-43855097 Quote Naked gunman kills four in Nashville Waffle House Move along. Thoughts and prayers here. Nothing to see. Huge props to the customer who grabbed the gun though. To be fair, I've actually eaten in a Waffle House in Tennessee and it was pretty much the worst food I've had anywhere in the world. Maybe the gunman didn't like his still frozen hash browns and coffee with fingernails in it. It's quite clear the Waffle House shooter has mental issues. He was arrested last year for trespassing on the white house grounds where he wasn't supposed to be. FBI investigated his background and took his guns away, as they should have. Eventually, they gave the guns to his father, with the caveat that he's not to give them back to his son. Well, he did anyway. I'm surprised the dude is still at large, as far as I know. But I fully expect the victims and their families to sue the father for everything he's got. Fucking dumb ass. There's always someone else to blame further down the line, isn't there? In skydiving we identify link in a chain of events that would have stopped an incident. Mass murders are no different. In this case, the FBI not giving the guns back to the family would probably have made a difference, but that doesn't solve most other events. What's the common factor in all of these types of even other than a body count? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hooknswoop 19 #2299 April 24, 2018 Quote What's the common factor in all of these types of even other than a body count? An individual that needs medical attention, but isn’t receiving treatment and ends up going postal with either a pressure cooker, firearm, van, or other instrument? Derek V Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bob_Church 7 #2300 April 24, 2018 Hooknswoop Quote What's the common factor in all of these types of even other than a body count? An individual that needs medical attention, but isn’t receiving treatment and ends up going postal with either a pressure cooker, firearm, van, or other instrument? Derek V It's just way too easy. Speaking of vans, some asshole used one to kill 10 people in Toronto today. I'm not sure how bad the 15 injured are. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/toronto-van-suspect-alek-minassian-hit-pedestrians-yonge-finch-today-2018-04-23-live-updates/ Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
