billvon 3,006 #51 September 9, 2015 > I learned friend of mine stated some months back, he thought 2017 will be the > most likely time frame. I knew it! Billy Joel is the only true prophet. ================= Miami 2017: I've seen the lights go out on Broadway I saw the ruins at my feet You know we almost didn't notice it We'd seen it all the time on Forty second street They burned the churches down in Harlem Like in that Spanish civil war The flames were everywhere But no one really cared It always burned up there before I've seen the lights go out on Broadway I saw the mighty skyline fall The boats were waiting at the battery The union went on strike They never sailed at all They sent a carrier out from Norfolk And picked the Yankees up for free They said that Queens could stay And blew the Bronx away And sank Manhattan out at sea You know those lights were bright on Broadway That was so many years ago Before we all lived here in Florida Before the Mafia took over Mexico There are not many who remember They say a handful still survive To tell the world about The way the lights went out And keep the memory alive =================== Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 806 #52 September 9, 2015 I went by what you said. Pretty difficult to do anything but that when using simple text based communication. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #53 September 9, 2015 RonD1120Ray Gano's next installment reiterates the belief that the worst events will not happen overnight. The signs point to collapse but it will come slowly. Those who are ready now will be ready then. I learned friend of mine stated some months back, he thought 2017 will be the most likely time frame. http://prophezine.com/index.php?option=com_acymailing&ctrl=archive&task=view&mailid=1415&key=jcnrH675&subid=7541-64054c88cb44c3cd065e8c1a2c5ba30b&tmpl=component Bummer about missing the rapture.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,457 #54 September 9, 2015 Turtle has said a number of times he's an atheist. He also really likes stirring the pot. Sometimes it's tough to know if there's a pot involved... Wendy P.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #55 September 9, 2015 Could be, artists are tuned into a higher plane of consciousness.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #56 September 9, 2015 Amazon***Ray Gano's next installment reiterates the belief that the worst events will not happen overnight. The signs point to collapse but it will come slowly. Those who are ready now will be ready then. I learned friend of mine stated some months back, he thought 2017 will be the most likely time frame. http://prophezine.com/index.php?option=com_acymailing&ctrl=archive&task=view&mailid=1415&key=jcnrH675&subid=7541-64054c88cb44c3cd065e8c1a2c5ba30b&tmpl=component Bummer about missing the rapture.... The rapture was not part it. Why do y'all do that. Just read what I post and don't add to it. I'm trying to help y'all.Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 806 #57 September 9, 2015 It's the weed, man. -_- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,500 #58 September 9, 2015 RonD1120Ray Gano's next installment reiterates the belief that the worst events will not happen overnight. The signs point to collapse but it will come slowly. I agree! 'Any time in the next 10,000 years' is probably a safe bet...Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,500 #59 September 9, 2015 Coreeece ***it's kinda pointless to look for indicators Modern interpretations say that there will be a World order functioning under a universal currency.... Recent events seem to support that direction. Really? Modern 'interpretations' mirror things that are (kinda) happening in the modern world? Wow! That's quite amazing.Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 806 #60 September 9, 2015 Why would you refuse when someone returns the favor? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,500 #61 September 9, 2015 RonD1120 The rapture was not part it. Why do y'all do that. Just read what I post and don't add to it. I'm trying to help y'all. Ray Gano's either an idiot, a cynical exploiter of chronic gullibility or both - and only a fool would give the slightest credence to anything he says. Just trying to helpDo you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RonD1120 62 #62 September 9, 2015 normissWhy would you refuse when someone returns the favor? Who would that be?Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyMarko 1 #63 September 9, 2015 normissIt's the weed, man. -_- It's true. This was taken today, right in downtown Denver. Those poor kids. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #64 September 9, 2015 wmw999Turtle has said a number of times he's an atheist. He also really likes stirring the pot. Sometimes it's tough to know if there's a pot involved... Wendy P. Some cultures use turtles for cooking...https://img0.etsystatic.com/049/0/8250058/il_340x270.728426856_cytm.jpg Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 221 #65 September 9, 2015 Amazon***Turtle has said a number of times he's an atheist. He also really likes stirring the pot. Sometimes it's tough to know if there's a pot involved... Wendy P. Some cultures use turtles for cooking...https://img0.etsystatic.com/049/0/8250058/il_340x270.728426856_cytm.jpg I like turtle soup. And @normiss . . . Who's the weed man.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 806 #66 September 10, 2015 Comma, man. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 221 #67 September 10, 2015 normiss Comma, man. Deliberate misinterpretation, dood.Or . . . Maybe I thought you were still on a tablet.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreeece 2 #68 September 11, 2015 jakee ******it's kinda pointless to look for indicators Modern interpretations say that there will be a World order functioning under a universal currency.... Recent events seem to support that direction. Really? Modern 'interpretations' mirror things that are (kinda) happening in the modern world? Wow! That's quite amazing.Fine...funny enough. I suppose there is no need for modern interpretation. The text written nearly 2000 years ago is clear enough. Revelation 13:7 Also it was allowed to make war on the saints and to conquer them. And authority was given it over every tribe and people and language and nation... Revelation 13:16-17 Also it causes all, both small and great, both rich and poor, both free and slave, to be marked on the right hand or the forehead, so that no one can buy or sell unless he has the mark, that is, the name of the beast or the number of its name.Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tonyhays 86 #69 September 11, 2015 QuoteRevelation 13:7 Also it was allowed to make war on the saints and to conquer them. And authority was given it over every tribe and people and language and nation... Revelation 13:16-17 Also it causes all, both small and great, both rich and poor, both free and slave, to be marked on the right hand or the forehead, so that no one can buy or sell unless he has the mark, that is, the name of the beast or the number of its name. Please correlate with actual events. Not broad generalisations, but actual, specific events.“That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.” Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,500 #70 September 11, 2015 QuoteI suppose there is no need for modern interpretation. The text written nearly 2000 years ago is clear enough. Revelation 13:7 Also it was allowed to make war on the saints and to conquer them. And authority was given it over every tribe and people and language and nation... Revelation 13:16-17 Also it causes all, both small and great, both rich and poor, both free and slave, to be marked on the right hand or the forehead, so that no one can buy or sell unless he has the mark, that is, the name of the beast or the number of its name. Yeah, totally clear. One small question though, um, what the fuck are you talking about?Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #71 September 11, 2015 Coreeece I suppose there is no need for modern interpretation. The text written nearly 2000 years ago is clear enough. It's certainly clear that the author was either mentally ill or under the influence of hallucinogens.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 221 #72 September 11, 2015 Coreeece *********it's kinda pointless to look for indicators Modern interpretations say that there will be a World order functioning under a universal currency.... Recent events seem to support that direction. Really? Modern 'interpretations' mirror things that are (kinda) happening in the modern world? Wow! That's quite amazing.Fine...funny enough. I suppose there is no need for modern interpretation. The text written nearly 2000 years ago is clear enough. Revelation 13:7 Also it was allowed to make war on the saints and to conquer them. And authority was given it over every tribe and people and language and nation... Revelation 13:16-17 Also it causes all, both small and great, both rich and poor, both free and slave, to be marked on the right hand or the forehead, so that no one can buy or sell unless he has the mark, that is, the name of the beast or the number of its name. 1st question : if no modern interpretations are not needed, why do so many different translations and versions exist? 2) Which version do you prescribe to? 3) is that the original text from 2000 years ago, or is it a more modern, (+/- 500 years or so) 4) how do you explain the following? Quote Matthew 15:1-9 1 Then some Pharisees and teachers of the law came to Jesus from Jerusalem and asked, 2 "Why do your disciples break the tradition of the elders? They don't wash their hands before they eat!" 3 Jesus replied, "And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition? 4 For God said, 'Honor your father and mother' and 'Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.' 5 But you say that if a man says to his father or mother, 'Whatever help you might otherwise have received from me is a gift devoted to God,' 6he is not to 'honor his father' with it. Thus you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition. 7You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you: 8 " 'These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. 9 They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.'" 5). Do you really condone putting a child to death for cursing their parents?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreeece 2 #73 September 11, 2015 jakeeQuoteI suppose there is no need for modern interpretation. The text written nearly 2000 years ago is clear enough. Revelation 13:7 Also it was allowed to make war on the saints and to conquer them. And authority was given it over every tribe and people and language and nation... Revelation 13:16-17 Also it causes all, both small and great, both rich and poor, both free and slave, to be marked on the right hand or the forehead, so that no one can buy or sell unless he has the mark, that is, the name of the beast or the number of its name. Yeah, totally clear. One small question though, um, what the fuck are you talking about? You said that it was kinda pointless to look for indicators, and I agree to a certain extent. Some felt that the roman attack on Jerusalem was the end times...some felt that Hitler was the Antichrist. I just decided to let the text speak for itself...when it happens it happens. Personally I think things will have to get much worse in order for the world to accept the type of government depicted in revelation, so if looking for indicators would help forego or at least help someone prepare for such a government, then so be it.Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coreeece 2 #74 September 11, 2015 turtlespeed if no modern interpretations are not needed The specific quotes I listed do not need any interpretation - they are pretty specific. turtlespeed if no modern interpretations are not needed, why do so many different translations and versions exist? Probably for money...but that hasn't really been much of an issue. All the translations I've compared don't show much variation and still convey the same message. turtlespeed2) Which version do you prescribe to? I'm particular to the ESV. It's been compared as more of a poetic version of the NASB which is probably the most accurate literal translation. Dynamic equivalency translations like the NIV are primarily useful for more in-depth study. turtlespeed3) is that the original text from 2000 years ago, or is it a more modern, (+/- 500 years or so) The earliest transcripts for revelation date back to around 250 A.D, but please note that that doesn't necessarily mean it wasn't copied from an earlier document. Scribes were charged with the responsibility of preserving scripture - which back then meant rewriting it over and over. I do believe however that old testament scribes were probably more formal and meticulous in their method than those rewriting new testament scripture. turtlespeed 4) how do you explain the following? QuoteMatthew 15:1-9 1 Then some Pharisees and teachers of the law came to Jesus from Jerusalem and asked, 2 "Why do your disciples break the tradition of the elders? They don't wash their hands before they eat!" 3 Jesus replied, "And why do you break the command of God for the sake of your tradition? 4 For God said, 'Honor your father and mother' and 'Anyone who curses his father or mother must be put to death.' 5 But you say that if a man says to his father or mother, 'Whatever help you might otherwise have received from me is a gift devoted to God,' 6he is not to 'honor his father' with it. Thus you nullify the word of God for the sake of your tradition. 7You hypocrites! Isaiah was right when he prophesied about you: 8 " 'These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. 9 They worship me in vain; their teachings are but rules taught by men.'" 5). Do you really condone putting a child to death for cursing their parents? Please note that the people Christ was speaking to were not children. They were adults that refused to help their parents. (v.5) Honoring your father and mother is the 5th commandment. It is part of the Law. If one breaks any one part of the law at any one time, it is as if he breaks the entire law and is therefore condemned. This is pretty much the basis for Christianity. We seek life by the grace of God that is found through Jesus Christ, rather than death through the Law.Never was there an answer....not without listening, without seeing - Gilmour Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jakee 1,500 #75 September 11, 2015 Ahhh, ok. I thought you meant that stuff was happening! sorry, my mistake Do you want to have an ideagasm? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
