General Curtis LeMay

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So the discussion on the 2 murders in Virginia gets lively and all of a sudden, General Curtis "Iron Ass" LeMay gets thrown out there.

Not a criticism mind you. In fact I find it's kind of amusing with all due respect to the sobering nature of the original subject. So thought I'd throw out just a few of the General's quote in a separate thread. Love him or hate, LeMay was one of a kind.

"If you kill enough of them, they stop fighting."

"I think there are many times when it would be most efficient to use nuclear weapons. However, the public opinion in this country and throughout the world throw up their hands in horror when you mention nuclear weapons, just because of the propaganda that's been fed to them."

"That was the era when we might have destroyed Russia completely and not even skinned our elbows doing it."

"Killing Japanese didn't bother me very much at that time... I suppose if I had lost the war, I would have been tried as a war criminal."

"We should bomb Vietnam back into the stone age."

"Sometime in the future - 25, 50, 75 years hence - what will the situation be like then? By that time the Chinese will have the capability of delivery too."

"That's the reason some schools of thinking don't rule out a destruction of the Chinese military potential before the situation grows worse than it is today. It's bad enough now."

“We should always avoid armed conflict. But if you get in it, get in with both feet and get out as soon as possible.”

“War is never cost-effective. People are killed. To them, the war is total.”

“Successful offense brings victory. Successful defense can now only lessen defeat.”

“We can haul anything.”

“If I see that the Russians are amassing their planes for an attack, I’m going to knock the shit out of them before they take off the ground.”

“To err is human, to forgive is not SAC policy” (SAC - Strategic Air Command)

“The price of failure might be paid with national survival.”

"I don't have time to distinguish between the unfortunate and the incompetent."

"I don't want to hear of any of you men getting into any fights with the British. But if you do, you'd better not get whipped."

[RonD1120 62]

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Look for the shiny things of God revealed by the Holy Spirit. They only last for an instant but it is a Holy Instant. Let your soul absorb them.

[ryoder 1,590]

From trivia for "Dr Strangelove"(1964):

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The character of Gen. Buck Turgidson (George C. Scott) was patterned after the Chief of Staff of the Air Force, Gen. Curtis LeMay, who was renowned for his extreme anti-Communist views and who once stated that he would not be afraid to start a nuclear war with the Soviet Union if he was elected president. Similarly, Brig. Gen. Jack D. Ripper (Sterling Hayden) was patterned after Gen. Thomas S. Power, LeMay's protégé and successor as Chief of the Strategic Air Command. When briefed on a RAND proposal to limit U.S. nuclear strikes on Soviet cities at the beginning of a war, Power responded, "Restraint! Why are you so concerned with saving their lives? The whole idea is to kill the bastards! . . . At the end of the war, if there are two Americans and one Russian, we win!"

Source: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0057012/trivia

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

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"Dr. Strangelove" was a documentary.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

This hatred for people based purely on ideology.....are we not fighting against this concept now?

Don't we think Muslims are insane for hating westerners purely based on ideology?

Don't we say those Muslims have been indoctrinated by their "leaders"?

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ryoder

From trivia for "Dr Strangelove"(1964):

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The character of Gen. Buck Turgidson (George C. Scott) was patterned after the Chief of Staff of the Air Force, Gen. Curtis LeMay, who was renowned for his extreme anti-Communist views and who once stated that he would not be afraid to start a nuclear war with the Soviet Union if he was elected president. Similarly, Brig. Gen. Jack D. Ripper (Sterling Hayden) was patterned after Gen. Thomas S. Power, LeMay's protégé and successor as Chief of the Strategic Air Command. When briefed on a RAND proposal to limit U.S. nuclear strikes on Soviet cities at the beginning of a war, Power responded, "Restraint! Why are you so concerned with saving their lives? The whole idea is to kill the bastards! . . . At the end of the war, if there are two Americans and one Russian, we win!"

Source: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0057012/trivia

I wonder if we can categorize Gen Ripper and his precious bodily fluids as a goal for all compassionate conservatives. You just never know when those should be conserved.... or expended.

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SkyDekker

This hatred for people based purely on ideology.....are we not fighting against this concept now?

Don't we think Muslims are insane for hating westerners purely based on ideology?

Don't we say those Muslims have been indoctrinated by their "leaders"?

I just wish their "leaders" were in as big a rush to get to the 72 virgins for themselves. Instead they take young men who are only thinking with their little head in this life and talk them into going for an eternity with all those virgins.

Ask yourself though what happens in their "eternity" when their 72 virgins are no longer virgin.... Or do they magically become virgins again

[ryoder 1,590]

winsor

"Dr. Strangelove" was a documentary.

An article that concurs with Winsors assessment: http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/almost-everything-in-dr-strangelove-was-true

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[kallend 2,027]

ryoder

***"Dr. Strangelove" was a documentary.

An article that concurs with Winsors assessment: http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/almost-everything-in-dr-strangelove-was-true

A comment on the following paragraph from that article:

Coded switches to prevent the unauthorized use of nuclear weapons were finally added to the control systems of American missiles and bombers in the early nineteen-seventies. The Air Force was not pleased, and considered the new security measures to be an insult, a lack of confidence in its personnel. Although the Air Force now denies this claim, according to more than one source I contacted, the code necessary to launch a missile was set to be the same at every Minuteman site: 00000000.

When I was working at Los Alamos in the late 1980s, the coded locks on every building I went to had the same code, and it was the default code that the locks came out of the box with.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

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kallend

******"Dr. Strangelove" was a documentary.

An article that concurs with Winsors assessment: http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/almost-everything-in-dr-strangelove-was-true

A comment on the following paragraph from that article:

Coded switches to prevent the unauthorized use of nuclear weapons were finally added to the control systems of American missiles and bombers in the early nineteen-seventies. The Air Force was not pleased, and considered the new security measures to be an insult, a lack of confidence in its personnel. Although the Air Force now denies this claim, according to more than one source I contacted, the code necessary to launch a missile was set to be the same at every Minuteman site: 00000000.

When I was working at Los Alamos in the late 1980s, the coded locks on every building I went to had the same code, and it was the default code that the locks came out of the box with.

Locks are for honest people.

[gowlerk 2,198]

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Don't we think Muslims are insane for hating westerners purely based on ideology?

No, we think they are insane based on their actions. There are many religions with ideologies that border on insane when considered rationally. Christianity among them.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

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gowlerk

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Don't we think Muslims are insane for hating westerners purely based on ideology?

No, we think they are insane based on their actions. There are many religions with ideologies that border on insane when considered rationally. Christianity among them.

Religion, by its very nature, is a socially acceptable form of psychosis.

I characterize religion as a communicable form of mental malware. Some variants are more virulent than others, but all are dependent on a fundamental susceptibility on the part of the host.

Epidemiology and virology are applicable to the delusions we hold dear.


BSBD,

Winsor

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SkyDekker

This hatred for people based purely on ideology.....are we not fighting against this concept now?

Don't we think Muslims are insane for hating westerners purely based on ideology?

Don't we say those Muslims have been indoctrinated by their "leaders"?

"This hatred for people based purely on ideology" Not good.

But when the ideology wants to kill those it doesn't agree with (Stalin or whoever) there comes a time that enough is enough. If they don't want to live in peace, they need some help.

Instructor quote, “What's weird is that you're older than my dad!”

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SkyDekker

This hatred for people based purely on ideology.....are we not fighting against this concept now?

Don't we think Muslims are insane for hating westerners purely based on ideology?

Don't we say those Muslims have been indoctrinated by their "leaders"?

Neither I nor most of the people I've talked to about it believe muslims are 'insane' for hating westerners...

I (and many of those I've talked with) do believe they have to be stopped, if they are a danger to others.

That is one reason why I don't agree with the default position of many people here that 'normal' people don't kill others. In some cultures it is quite 'normal', such as in certain middle eastern countries when women are stoned to death for being raped or having pre-marital sex. That's not an 'insane' action, it is a 'culturally ingrained' action. Which isn't to say it's morally right, but it certainly isn't

a) abnormal in the circumstances, which we see from how it happens again and again, or

b) insane.

Do you believe all the Hutus were insane in Rwanda in 1994? it's estimated 200000 Hutus participated in the genocide. What about in Bosnia? Were all the factions killing each other insane?

Unfortunately mans' history shows that one DOESN'T have to be insane to kill.

Which is of course, why one has to be prepared to defend one's values.

If some old guy can do it then obviously it can't be very extreme. Otherwise he'd already be dead.
Bruce McConkey 'I thought we were gonna die, and I couldn't think of anyone

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skypuppy

***This hatred for people based purely on ideology.....are we not fighting against this concept now?

Don't we think Muslims are insane for hating westerners purely based on ideology?

Don't we say those Muslims have been indoctrinated by their "leaders"?

Neither I nor most of the people I've talked to about it believe muslims are 'insane' for hating westerners...

I (and many of those I've talked with) do believe they have to be stopped, if they are a danger to others.

That is one reason why I don't agree with the default position of many people here that 'normal' people don't kill others. In some cultures it is quite 'normal', such as in certain middle eastern countries when women are stoned to death for being raped or having pre-marital sex. That's not an 'insane' action, it is a 'culturally ingrained' action. Which isn't to say it's morally right, but it certainly isn't

a) abnormal in the circumstances, which we see from how it happens again and again, or

b) insane.

Do you believe all the Hutus were insane in Rwanda in 1994? it's estimated 200000 Hutus participated in the genocide. What about in Bosnia? Were all the factions killing each other insane?

Unfortunately mans' history shows that one DOESN'T have to be insane to kill.

Which is of course, why one has to be prepared to defend one's values.

Any death caused by the belief system, in any religion, is an act of madness.
It is insanity, although mob insanity, insanity nonetheless.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
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