brenthutch 444 #251 September 24, 2015 kallend ************>Six years into the Reagan administration median household income rose >$2,769 (inflation adjusted) while during the same period in the Obama >administration median HH income dropped $4046. This, then, should be very inconvenient for your worldview: My worldview is that +$2769 is better than -$4046 in the pockets of the average American family. Apparently your worldview is that cooperate profits and the stock portfolios of the 1% is how we should benchmark success. Wow, you just can't keep those goalposts still. Didn't like the effect the GHWB and GWB presidencies had on GDP, I guess. Good reason for not inviting another Bush to occupy the White House. despite the usual bush republican hating aside can you address the numbers the man posted, and acknowledge that we are worse off now than we used to be despite who was at fault. I have. He cherry picked the dates to make it look as if BHO is responsible for GWB's failed policies. BTW, I am not worse off now. In fact I'm far better off. Regrettably, me too, two pensions, a 401 k, several rental properties, a "job" running a small dropzone and a wife making six figures. I'm ok. I am worried about the folks who are not as fortunate. The facts are that the poor are worse off now then they were six years ago, and the rich are better off. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #252 September 24, 2015 billvon>It happened under a Democrat. Hmm. I'd say the Bush recession happened under Bush. Overall the economy does better, people make more money, the deficit goes down and employment improves under democrats. But if you enjoy losing money, vote GOP. OK I will type slowly so you will understand...., when Obama took office, household income was more than it is now....according to the Obama administration.......so......yeh....ok.....must be Lincoln's fault. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tkhayes 348 #253 September 24, 2015 and...we...will..keep...it...slow...and...simple....too.... if....this...is...the....only....economic...indicator...of economic....health....then....your...argument....is....flawed.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #254 September 24, 2015 What is a better metric? I guess we could look at the wealth of the average American but that would be down as well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 221 #255 September 24, 2015 kallend ************>Six years into the Reagan administration median household income rose >$2,769 (inflation adjusted) while during the same period in the Obama >administration median HH income dropped $4046. This, then, should be very inconvenient for your worldview: My worldview is that +$2769 is better than -$4046 in the pockets of the average American family. Apparently your worldview is that cooperate profits and the stock portfolios of the 1% is how we should benchmark success. Wow, you just can't keep those goalposts still. Didn't like the effect the GHWB and GWB presidencies had on GDP, I guess. Good reason for not inviting another Bush to occupy the White House. despite the usual bush republican hating aside can you address the numbers the man posted, and acknowledge that we are worse off now than we used to be despite who was at fault. I have. He cherry picked the dates to make it look as if BHO is responsible for GWB's failed policies. BTW, I am not worse off now. In fact I'm far better off. Is weather climate?I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 221 #256 September 24, 2015 brenthutchWhat is a better metric? I guess we could look at the wealth of the average American but that would be down as well. You would be better off talking to a tree.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,027 #257 September 24, 2015 brenthutchWhat is a better metric? I guess we could look at the wealth of the average American but that would be down as well. So you're a supporter of Bernie then.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #258 September 24, 2015 John Deere had major layoffs earlier this year More are coming Now Cat http://www.businessinsider.com/caterpillar-restructuring-and-job-cuts-2015-9"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brenthutch 444 #259 September 24, 2015 kallend***What is a better metric? I guess we could look at the wealth of the average American but that would be down as well. So you're a supporter of Bernie then. And the award for "Non sequitur of the year" goes to.............Kallend! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #260 September 28, 2015 More job cuts announced https://ca.news.yahoo.com/whole-foods-market-cut-1-500-jobs-122031233--sector.html"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 221 #261 September 28, 2015 rushmcMore job cuts announced https://ca.news.yahoo.com/whole-foods-market-cut-1-500-jobs-122031233--sector.html Quote The affected positions were mainly in stores, but "back of house" positions that were not customer facing, the company said in an email to Reuters. Well Shazam! At least they didn't get rid of the people that the customers would miss.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #262 September 28, 2015 turtlespeed***More job cuts announced https://ca.news.yahoo.com/whole-foods-market-cut-1-500-jobs-122031233--sector.html Quote The affected positions were mainly in stores, but "back of house" positions that were not customer facing, the company said in an email to Reuters. Well Shazam! At least they didn't get rid of the people that the customers would miss. This has nothing to do with recovery and is pure capitalism at work. Whole Foods' job isn't to provide jobs, but to increase shareholder value. How quickly capitalists turn to socialists. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
normiss 803 #263 September 28, 2015 Canadian news? To me, they could lay off the entire Whole Foods company and I wouldn't miss them. Whole Foods = Whole Money Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 221 #264 September 28, 2015 SkyDekker******More job cuts announced https://ca.news.yahoo.com/whole-foods-market-cut-1-500-jobs-122031233--sector.html Quote The affected positions were mainly in stores, but "back of house" positions that were not customer facing, the company said in an email to Reuters. Well Shazam! At least they didn't get rid of the people that the customers would miss. This has nothing to do with recovery and is pure capitalism at work. Whole Foods' job isn't to provide jobs, but to increase shareholder value. How quickly capitalists turn to socialists. If the economy was as good as some say, the layoffs and job ending wouldn't be necessary for the shareholders to realize higher value.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #265 September 28, 2015 SkyDekker******More job cuts announced https://ca.news.yahoo.com/whole-foods-market-cut-1-500-jobs-122031233--sector.html Quote The affected positions were mainly in stores, but "back of house" positions that were not customer facing, the company said in an email to Reuters. Well Shazam! At least they didn't get rid of the people that the customers would miss. This has nothing to do with recovery and is pure capitalism at work. Whole Foods' job isn't to provide jobs, but to increase shareholder value. How quickly capitalists turn to socialists. Your post here, indicates to me, that you do not seem to think there is a link between capitalism and the economy?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 221 #266 September 28, 2015 rushmc*********More job cuts announced https://ca.news.yahoo.com/whole-foods-market-cut-1-500-jobs-122031233--sector.html Quote The affected positions were mainly in stores, but "back of house" positions that were not customer facing, the company said in an email to Reuters. Well Shazam! At least they didn't get rid of the people that the customers would miss. This has nothing to do with recovery and is pure capitalism at work. Whole Foods' job isn't to provide jobs, but to increase shareholder value. How quickly capitalists turn to socialists. Your post here, indicates to me, that you do not seem to think there is a link between capitalism and the economy? No, there isn't, but there is a link between socialism and the economy.I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #267 September 28, 2015 turtlespeed************More job cuts announced https://ca.news.yahoo.com/whole-foods-market-cut-1-500-jobs-122031233--sector.html Quote The affected positions were mainly in stores, but "back of house" positions that were not customer facing, the company said in an email to Reuters. Well Shazam! At least they didn't get rid of the people that the customers would miss. This has nothing to do with recovery and is pure capitalism at work. Whole Foods' job isn't to provide jobs, but to increase shareholder value. How quickly capitalists turn to socialists. Your post here, indicates to me, that you do not seem to think there is a link between capitalism and the economy? No, there isn't, but there is a link between socialism and the economy. Explain please"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #268 September 28, 2015 normiss Canadian news? To me, they could lay off the entire Whole Foods company and I wouldn't miss them. Whole Foods = Whole Money We call it Whole Paycheck out in these parts Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
turtlespeed 221 #269 September 28, 2015 rushmc***************More job cuts announced https://ca.news.yahoo.com/whole-foods-market-cut-1-500-jobs-122031233--sector.html Quote The affected positions were mainly in stores, but "back of house" positions that were not customer facing, the company said in an email to Reuters. Well Shazam! At least they didn't get rid of the people that the customers would miss. This has nothing to do with recovery and is pure capitalism at work. Whole Foods' job isn't to provide jobs, but to increase shareholder value. How quickly capitalists turn to socialists. Your post here, indicates to me, that you do not seem to think there is a link between capitalism and the economy? No, there isn't, but there is a link between socialism and the economy. Explain please SarcasmI'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #270 September 28, 2015 QuoteYour post here, indicates to me, that you do not seem to think there is a link between capitalism and the economy? How does that indicate that to you? You will have to explain. Capitalism is an economic and political system. There is a link by definition. A downturn or upturn in the economy doesn't change what capitalism is though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #271 September 28, 2015 turtlespeed******************More job cuts announced https://ca.news.yahoo.com/whole-foods-market-cut-1-500-jobs-122031233--sector.html Quote The affected positions were mainly in stores, but "back of house" positions that were not customer facing, the company said in an email to Reuters. Well Shazam! At least they didn't get rid of the people that the customers would miss. This has nothing to do with recovery and is pure capitalism at work. Whole Foods' job isn't to provide jobs, but to increase shareholder value. How quickly capitalists turn to socialists. Your post here, indicates to me, that you do not seem to think there is a link between capitalism and the economy? No, there isn't, but there is a link between socialism and the economy. Explain please Sarcasm gotcha That makes sense"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 2,998 #272 September 28, 2015 >More job cuts announced August 2015 - 173,000 new jobs added in the US Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #273 September 28, 2015 SkyDekker A downturn or upturn in the economy doesn't change what capitalism is though. What capitalism BECOMES is changed by the requirements and regulations put in place to regulate it And the economy has a big effect on a company and how many it may hire or lay off And what is really souring the economy (of both countries to varying degrees) is government regulation and interference."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #274 September 28, 2015 billvon>More job cuts announced August 2015 - 173,000 new jobs added in the US Still does not cover the rate of new workers being born or coming into the US As pointed out before"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #275 September 28, 2015 rushmc*** A downturn or upturn in the economy doesn't change what capitalism is though. What capitalism BECOMES is changed by the requirements and regulations put in place to regulate it And the economy has a big effect on a company and how many it may hire of lay off And what is really souring the economy (of both countries to varying degrees) is government regulation and interference. yeah.....ok. So, which government regulation is forcing Whole Foods to lay off staff? And regulations don't change capitalism. Regulations change the market the regulations pertain to. Lastly, there aren't many people who think a truly free market, devoid of any regulation would be beneficial to the economy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
