If this is your recovery, you can keep it

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SkyDekker

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A downturn or upturn in the economy doesn't change what capitalism is though.

What capitalism BECOMES is changed by the requirements and regulations put in place to regulate it

And the economy has a big effect on a company and how many it may hire of lay off

And what is really souring the economy (of both countries to varying degrees) is government regulation and interference.

yeah.....ok.

So, which government regulation is forcing Whole Foods to lay off staff?

And regulations don't change capitalism. Regulations change the market the regulations pertain to.

Lastly, there aren't many people who think a truly free market, devoid of any regulation would be beneficial to the economy.
The regulations that inhibit profitability with their current SOP.
If there was more profit, they wouldn't have to discontinue jobs.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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turtlespeed

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A downturn or upturn in the economy doesn't change what capitalism is though.

What capitalism BECOMES is changed by the requirements and regulations put in place to regulate it

And the economy has a big effect on a company and how many it may hire of lay off

And what is really souring the economy (of both countries to varying degrees) is government regulation and interference.

yeah.....ok.

So, which government regulation is forcing Whole Foods to lay off staff?

And regulations don't change capitalism. Regulations change the market the regulations pertain to.

Lastly, there aren't many people who think a truly free market, devoid of any regulation would be beneficial to the economy.
The regulations that inhibit profitability with their current SOP.
If there was more profit, they wouldn't have to discontinue jobs.

I was not ever going to go there with him

He changes directions faster than a rabbit in a thatch that is being chased by a dog

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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I will ditto what he said....yes there is a link, but you appear to be complaining about capitalism......

this is absolutely a capitalistic move, competition driving business decisions. And yes it is pretty ironic when capitalists complain about capitalism.

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turtlespeed

*********More job cuts announced

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/whole-foods-market-cut-1-500-jobs-122031233--sector.html

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The affected positions were mainly in stores, but "back of house" positions that were not customer facing, the company said in an email to Reuters.

Well Shazam!
At least they didn't get rid of the people that the customers would miss.

This has nothing to do with recovery and is pure capitalism at work.

Whole Foods' job isn't to provide jobs, but to increase shareholder value.

How quickly capitalists turn to socialists.

If the economy was as good as some say, the layoffs and job ending wouldn't be necessary for the shareholders to realize higher value.

Whole Foods has been sliding for a while for the simple reasons:

- Competition in organic produce. Kroger's "King Soopers" has a huge array of organic produce, and the price is sometimes as low as the non-organic.

- You can't expect people to put up with high prices with better options nearby. e.g. It is 10 miles to Whole Foods where I live, versus 1 mile to King Soopers.

Now take a look at the attached graph of KR (Kroger) and WFM (Whole Foods) for the past two years.
Does it look like KR is hurting?

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

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tkhayes

I will ditto what he said....yes there is a link, but you appear to be complaining about capitalism......

this is absolutely a capitalistic move, competition driving business decisions. And yes it is pretty ironic when capitalists complain about capitalism.

Did you mean this reply to me???

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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yes, ditto to Skydekker

[rushmc 23]

tkhayes

yes, ditto to Skydekker

then you do not know what you are typing because I am not complaining about capitalism

I am complaining about the abusive regulations capitalism is trying to survive under

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[DanG 1]

Does Whole Foods suffer under abusive regulations that Kroger doesn't?

Could it be that Whole Foods is laying people off for reasons other than Obama?

- Dan G

[tkhayes 348]

I didn't read anything about regulations in the whole foods article that you posted. What I saw was you posting something to indicate that the economy is going the wrong way.

And that's why me and SD both commented that this is simply capitalism at work. Assuming there were zero regulations regarding grocery stores I expect that news article would have read exactly the same way, Whole Foods is cutting headcount in order to compete with stiff competition

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turtlespeed

If there was more profit, they wouldn't have to discontinue jobs.

I hired people when I needed more staff. I laid people off when there was insufficient demand. "More (or less) profits" had absolutely no relationship to my staffing requirements.

That included a department that always operated at a dead-loss, but was critical to other departments on-going operations.

I wasn't a brilliant businessperson but I did quite alright, thank you. And I don't think I'm particularly unique.

As a business owner I didn't like interference (increased taxes, more stringent regulations, etc) any more than the next guy. But none of that affected my staffing levels.

Mature businesses do not increase staffing. Obsolete manufacturers do not increase staffing. Technologies in decline do not increase staffing. Noncompetitive company's do not increase staffing.

Worshiping the altar of "Increased Profits" as the generic Savior of national unemployment only supports hedge-fund managers and corporate raiders.

It does nothing for the working-stiff looking for a job.

Just my $0.02 (0.03 CDN)

John

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>Could it be that Whole Foods is laying people off for reasons other than
>Obama?

Whole Foods laying off people? THANKS OBAMA!

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For many years Soviet Russia had an economy with little or no layoffs. As I recall that policy did not turn out well in the end. Things always change. If companies don't adjust, they fail.

Always remember the brave children who died defending your right to bear arms. Freedom is not free.

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rushmc

***yes, ditto to Skydekker

then you do not know what you are typing because I am not complaining about capitalism

I am complaining about the abusive regulations capitalism is trying to survive under

I'm sure grocery stores could make far more profit if they were still allowed to adulterate food like they could 100 years ago. Of course, life expectancy might go down.

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DanG

Does Whole Foods suffer under abusive regulations that Kroger doesn't?

Could it be that Whole Foods is laying people off for reasons other than Obama?

The paper plane industry will be the next to fail due to government regulations. Just think of the layoffs this will produce:

abcnews.go.com/US/faa-approves-paper-airplane-drone/story?id=33389154

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

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The regulations that inhibit profitability with their current SOP.

There are no regulations that inhibit their profitability. Other companies being able to compete on price with them is what is hurting their profitability.

Which is a fine example of how capitalism (free market) works.

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If there was more profit, they wouldn't have to discontinue jobs.

If cutting jobs delivers more profit, then under capitalistic principles one should always cut those jobs. (assuming one does not put long term viability in danger)

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SkyDekker

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The regulations that inhibit profitability with their current SOP.

There are no regulations that inhibit their profitability. Other companies being able to compete on price with them is what is hurting their profitability.

Which is a fine example of how capitalism (free market) works.

***If there was more profit, they wouldn't have to discontinue jobs.

If cutting jobs delivers more profit, then under capitalistic principles one should always cut those jobs. (assuming one does not put long term viability in danger)

Your ignorance of the cost of regulations on a company is stunning!

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Your ignorance of the cost of regulations on a company is stunning!

What regulation is costing Whole Foods? More specifically, what regulations are impacting Whole Foods differently from its competitors?

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SkyDekker

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Your ignorance of the cost of regulations on a company is stunning!

What regulation is costing Whole Foods? More specifically, what regulations are impacting Whole Foods differently from its competitors?

I'm still a little nervous over what "adulterating foods" might imply

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SkyDekker

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Your ignorance of the cost of regulations on a company is stunning!

What regulation is costing Whole Foods? More specifically, what regulations are impacting Whole Foods differently from its competitors?

Obviously, since they are a green company, and pander organica, they should be receiving subsidies, which they are not.

I'm not usually into the whole 3-way thing, but you got me a little excited with that. - Skymama
BTR #1 / OTB^5 Official #2 / Hellfish #408 / VSCR #108/Tortuga/Orfun

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Payrolls Disaster: Only 142K Jobs Added In September Zero Wage Growth; August Revised Much Lower

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Just as bad, the August print was also revised far lower from 173K to 136K

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-10-02/payrolls-disaster-only-142k-jobs-added-september-zero-wage-growth-august-revised-muc

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Record 94,610,000 Americans Not in Labor Force

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/10/02/record-94610000-americans-not-labor-force/

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Record 94,610,000 Americans Not in Labor Force

With an aging population that number will get bigger and bigger.

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SkyDekker

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Record 94,610,000 Americans Not in Labor Force

With an aging population that number will get bigger and bigger.

It is part of it

From AP
http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_ECONOMY?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2015-10-02-08-33-31

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All told, the proportion of Americans who either have a job or are looking for one fell to a 38-year low.

Some of that decline likely reflects baby boomer retirements, but it also indicates that many Americans remain discouraged about their job prospects. Modest growth and steady, if unspectacular, hiring hasn't encouraged more people to look for work.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Modest growth and steady, if unspectacular, hiring

Modest growth and steady hiring are pretty good indicators of an economy in recovery.

Aren't you denying that such a recovery is taking place?

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SkyDekker

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Modest growth and steady, if unspectacular, hiring

Modest growth and steady hiring are pretty good indicators of an economy in recovery.

Aren't you denying that such a recovery is taking place?

That is not the message the GOP has wanted to let out since 2009 after they tanked the economy big time.
Since then they have done everything they could to screw the economy...

Like little spoiled children... the only way any GOP pol will vote for anything other than to bring "social issues" into their wetdream American Taliban world is if they have complete control to transfer more of what little the middle class has left... to their Wall Street Buddies like they did during the last GOP economic fiasco.

The last episode of conservative economic theory brought the largest transfer of wealth from Main Street to Wall Street.. and not a single one of the bastards who made BILLIONS are in jail...

Does that tell you anything?????

Party of Fiscal Conservatism my ass......Newspeak found a real home in the GOP..

And some of the numbnutz are too fucking stupid to realize it... so they continue to play the same tired slogans over and over...

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rushmc

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Payrolls Disaster: Only 142K Jobs Added In September Zero Wage Growth; August Revised Much Lower

***Just as bad, the August print was also revised far lower from 173K to 136K

I'll take modest growth over the disaster that characterized the last year of GWB's reign.

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